Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[LloydFree]

Sensationalism aside, my thoughts are along the same lines as krazy's.

I think Bryan Colangelo's thoughts are along those lines also. That's why we aren't going to see him for awhile.

[KrazySixersD]

"A player is mentally weak because since I'm not a doctor and know nothing about the player's ailments and what kind of pain he is feeling, what he has isn't painful and he should play through it even though I don't even know what it is"

People are just frustrated that another top draft pick is hurt, and they're childishly taking it out on the guy who is hurt. No one's to blame, **** happens.

bro, that's not even close to what's going on... every indication has been there is no severe injury, just a muscular imbalance. It's been a long time and dude is still not even shooting

there's back and forth on him changing his shot, not changing his shot, worried about the new 3 point line, hurt because of the change, changed because of the pain..

its a joke, there's no other way to put it.. whatever the truth is, this whole thing is a joke

[LongLiveHinkie]

"A player is mentally weak because since I'm not a doctor and know nothing about the player's ailments and what kind of pain he is feeling, what he has isn't painful and he should play through it even though I don't even know what it is"

People are just frustrated that another top draft pick is hurt, and they're childishly taking it out on the guy who is hurt. No one's to blame, **** happens.

bro, that's not even close to what's going on... every indication has been there is no severe injury, just a muscular imbalance. It's been a long time and dude is still not even shooting

there's back and forth on him changing his shot, not changing his shot, worried about the new 3 point line, hurt because of the change, changed because of the pain..

its a joke, there's no other way to put it.. whatever the truth is, this whole thing is a joke

Muscular imbalance is painful, dude. Not sure what else to tell you. You've never dealt with it, so you're speaking out of ignorance.

[long range bomber]

"A player is mentally weak because since I'm not a doctor and know nothing about the player's ailments and what kind of pain he is feeling, what he has isn't painful and he should play through it even though I don't even know what it is"

People are just frustrated that another top draft pick is hurt, and they're childishly taking it out on the guy who is hurt. No one's to blame, **** happens.

bro, that's not even close to what's going on... every indication has been there is no severe injury, just a muscular imbalance. It's been a long time and dude is still not even shooting

there's back and forth on him changing his shot, not changing his shot, worried about the new 3 point line, hurt because of the change, changed because of the pain..

its a joke, there's no other way to put it.. whatever the truth is, this whole thing is a joke

Muscular imbalance is painful, dude. Not sure what else to tell you. You've never dealt with it, so you're speaking out of ignorance.

Heard on the ESPN podcast where WNBA players talked about their Muscular imbalance taking years to correct and them having to play through pain for 1-2 years. Hopefully that is not the case with Fulz.

[Negrodamus]

man I say what I feel... a lot of times I am right in what I say but there are plenty I am wrong and I never shy away from saying so, I hope to god I am wrong, but how can you honestly defend him or the team at this point?

It's pretty naive to do so at this point no? Even if you hope and pray all you want that he legit has a muscle imbalance this bad to be out this long... deep down you know that is BS, and if it is true, then this just sheds poorly yet again on the FO for having him play originally

I literally just posted a few points showing my skepticism, but I'm not calling our player's mental toughness into question. I'm just saying your post feels like when Lonzo is on the verge of an empty triple double tomorrow and the Lakers are up five in the fourth, a similar impulsive, hot take will come from you.

what? are you trying to insinuate im a lonzo fan?

Nope, insinuating that the second something goes wrong for the Sixers, you blow the issue out of proportion.

[KrazySixersD]

I literally just posted a few points showing my skepticism, but I'm not calling our player's mental toughness into question. I'm just saying your post feels like when Lonzo is on the verge of an empty triple double tomorrow and the Lakers are up five in the fourth, a similar impulsive, hot take will come from you.

what? are you trying to insinuate im a lonzo fan?

Nope, insinuating that the second something goes wrong for the Sixers, you blow the issue out of proportion.

because we have such a track record lately of great management decisions and great truthful PR right?

I'm not talking about draft selections.. I'm talking about how this franchise has handled issues

they deserve the benefit of the doubt after all these years right?

wrong

[XtremeDunkz]

If this update comes without a definitive timetable, I will take the jump on the wtf is going on train.

[KrazySixersD]

If this update comes without a definitive timetable, I will take the jump on the wtf is going on train.

welcome aboard bro, might as well hop on now before the seats get crowded cuz you already know that's exactly what the **** they are about to do

[nrok10307]

If this update comes without a definitive timetable, I will take the jump on the wtf is going on train.

welcome aboard bro, might as well hop on now before the seats get crowded cuz you already know that's exactly what the **** they are about to do

I am completely on board with being pissed at management, because they are adults and paid lots of money to make smart and/or logical decisions.

I don't quite get why we are condemning Fultz? It seems like he's the one who hid the seriousness of the injury, radically changed his form to Shaq's so he could even throw a ball at a hoop despite whatever pain he is in, and stubbornly played in real NBA games despite being severely limited and looking like an embarrassment before the adults (agent, coaches, management, whomever) pulled the plug and forced him to see a specialist.

If anything, it seems like Fultz is either stupid or naive... but a mental midget who is scared? I really don't see it.

[Simmons25]

14 posts so far in this thread: 4 about Ball, 4 about people talking about Fultz, 3 actually about Fultz. Off to a good start.

When 76ciology predicted Lonzo would appear by Page 2 I wanted to make sure it happened in Page 1

[LloydFree]

Its funny that the team didn't want to acknowledge the "injury" early on. For Colangelo, one of the blessings of this "injury", is that it gives the team the ability to shield Fultz from questions from the media. As long as he's "injured" and not practicing, he's not available to the media for constant questions about struggles, when this supposedly happened, or if he's still sore in any way. The message can be controlled thru policy and generally the less hardcore fans don't care, because they have Simmons and Embiid to distract them.

[BullyKing]

Its funny that the team didn't want to acknowledge the "injury" early on. For Colangelo, one of the blessings of this "injury", is that it gives the team the ability to shield Fultz from questions from the media. As long as he's "injured" and not practicing, he's not available to the media for constant questions about struggles, when this supposedly happened, or if he's still sore in any way. The message can be controlled thru policy and generally the less hardcore fans don't care, because they have Simmons and Embiid to distract them.

Are you willing to consider the possibility he wouldn't be struggling if he wasn't even injured?

[KrazySixersD]

If this update comes without a definitive timetable, I will take the jump on the wtf is going on train.

welcome aboard bro, might as well hop on now before the seats get crowded cuz you already know that's exactly what the **** they are about to do

I am completely on board with being pissed at management, because they are adults and paid lots of money to make smart and/or logical decisions.

I don't quite get why we are condemning Fultz? It seems like he's the one who hid the seriousness of the injury, radically changed his form to Shaq's so he could even throw a ball at a hoop despite whatever pain he is in, and stubbornly played in real NBA games despite being severely limited and looking like an embarrassment before the adults (agent, coaches, management, whomever) pulled the plug and forced him to see a specialist.

If anything, it seems like Fultz is either stupid or naive... but a mental midget who is scared? I really don't see it.

what I'm saying is, either way, there is gross incompetence here somewhere, either from managment, or from fultz himself

I'm done doing the waiting game being patient and giving everyone involved the benefit of the doubt as if what has been said is truly 100% all that is going on

it is QUITE CLEAR that that isn't the case

Heads need to roll over this, this is a fiasco beyond belief at this point. We arent even talking about anything that can show up on ANY TYPE OF SCAN... not mri, cat scan, xray, nothing.... just some random ass "scapular muscle issue"

not to mention its pretty apperent fultz did in fact change his shot on his own over summer when going over what has been said by coaches and such

at this point I'm ready to throw them all under the bus

[LloydFree]

Its funny that the team didn't want to acknowledge the "injury" early on. For Colangelo, one of the blessings of this "injury", is that it gives the team the ability to shield Fultz from questions from the media. As long as he's "injured" and not practicing, he's not available to the media for constant questions about struggles, when this supposedly happened, or if he's still sore in any way. The message can be controlled thru policy and generally the less hardcore fans don't care, because they have Simmons and Embiid to distract them.

Are you willing to consider the possibility he wouldn't be struggling if he wasn't even injured?

No. Even if I thought he was a great prospect, he'd still be struggling because he's a 19 year old PG with average athleticism.

[BullyKing]

Its funny that the team didn't want to acknowledge the "injury" early on. For Colangelo, one of the blessings of this "injury", is that it gives the team the ability to shield Fultz from questions from the media. As long as he's "injured" and not practicing, he's not available to the media for constant questions about struggles, when this supposedly happened, or if he's still sore in any way. The message can be controlled thru policy and generally the less hardcore fans don't care, because they have Simmons and Embiid to distract them.

Are you willing to consider the possibility he wouldn't be struggling if he wasn't even injured?

No. Even if I thought he was a great prospect, he'd still be struggling because he's a 19 year old PG with average athleticism.

Eh, he'd be operating more as a shooting guard hopefully making the open 3s that TLC is bricking.

[LloydFree]

Are you willing to consider the possibility he wouldn't be struggling if he wasn't even injured?

No. Even if I thought he was a great prospect, he'd still be struggling because he's a 19 year old PG with average athleticism.

Eh, he'd be operating more as a shooting guard hopefully making the open 3s that TLC is bricking.

Yeah, well, OK. If you can list for me the 19 year olds who came into the league doing that, I'd be impressed.

[spikeslovechild]

I'm not disappointed in Markelle but I'm beyond disappointed with the Sixers how difficult is it to tell the truth? Just give us an idea what is going on and when we can expect him back and if things aren't going well be open about it.

[76ciology]

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[gdog2004]

I'm not disappointed in Markelle but I'm beyond disappointed with the Sixers how difficult is it to tell the truth? Just give us an idea what is going on and when we can expect him back and if things aren't going well be open about it.

I was all on board with the Fultz trade and pick but WTH man.
Is Fultz really injured ? How injured ? When did this injury occur ?
Is he just nervous and afraid ? Cant deal with the NBA ? Who the hell knows, dudes expression NEVER changes. he could be scared **** and no one would ever know. I am annoyed that there isn't anything even slightly resembling truth or transparency here.
All of the constantly changing stories around his injury sound like BS TBH.

[Mik317]

i am sure he did tweak his shot some...most rookies do. to get it off faster if anything. Him tweaking his shot doesn't really matter at the end of the day tho.. his shoulder is **** from whatever and because of that he has difficulty raising his arms without pain so to mitigate said pain, he was shooting it **** up. That was a poor choice (due to success rate, negating why he was drafted, and from a pure visual standpoint) and thus he is sitting until things are right.

the issue comes in the messaging of the whole ordeal...which the FO has shown over and over and over again they are really really poor at that. They either make decisions in an attempt to not look bad (or a more evil theory..sell tickets) or they are overly cautious to the point of absurdity...or both. So unless Fultz was out there tackling rocks for fun...the reason for his injury is moot. He's hurt. They are dealing w/ it in their stupid ways but it is what it is...the problem comes with them seemingly winging it with the lack of communication. This is where people should be focusing their ire rn.