Welcome Jonah Bolden

[long range bomber]

Man I hope the sixers keep enough capspace to sign Bolden either in 2018 or 2019 to a contract similar to what BOS gave Ojeleye would be perfect. 3 Years around 1-Mil per year plus a 4th year team option for around $2M.

If we do not keep enough capspace for him, then we will be limited to 2 cheap years as opposed to 4 cheap years.

We own his rights so we don’t need cap space to sign him. I don’t understand your point about 2 years vs 4 years. We could sign him for 2 or 4 years regardless of our cap situation.


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you are incorrect in saying “we can sign him to 2 or 4 Years regardless of our cap situation”. Teams with capspace are able sign 2nd rounders to a contract with more than 2 Years.

This was something Hinkie always maximised capspace to sign 2nd rounders or UDFA to longer than 2Year minimum deals. He did it with Richaun, TJ and Jerami and has worked so far. He tried to do it with McDaniels but McDaniels did not want to be locked up long-term.

Take 2017 for example:

BOS had capspace and liked Semi Ojeleye’s potential so they locked up for 4 Years of cheap 2nd round value.

GS on the other hand had no capspace or available exceptions so they could only lock up Jordan Bell for 2 Years at cheap 2nd round value, even though they paid $3.5M for the pick.

I’m sure there is some sites that references this but just thought it was common knowledge among Process trustees since Hinkie exploited this more than any other GM.

[long range bomber]

Man I hope the sixers keep enough capspace to sign Bolden either in 2018 or 2019 to a contract similar to what BOS gave Ojeleye would be perfect. 3 Years around 1-Mil per year plus a 4th year team option for around $2M.

If we do not keep enough capspace for him, then we will be limited to 2 cheap years as opposed to 4 cheap years.

We own his rights so we don’t need cap space to sign him. I don’t understand your point about 2 years vs 4 years. We could sign him for 2 or 4 years regardless of our cap situation.


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you are incorrect in saying “we can sign him to 2 or 4 Years regardless of our cap situation”. Teams with capspace are able sign 2nd rounders to a contract with more than 2 Years.

This was something Hinkie always maximised capspace to sign 2nd rounders or UDFA to longer than 2Year minimum deals. He did it with Richaun, TJ and Jerami and has worked so far. He tried to do it with McDaniels but McDaniels did not want to be locked up long-term.

Take 2017 for example:

BOS had capspace and liked Semi Ojeleye’s potential so they locked up for 4 Years of cheap 2nd round value.

GS on the other hand had no capspace or available exceptions so they could only lock up Jordan Bell for 2 Years at cheap 2nd round value, even though they paid $3.5M for the pick.

I’m sure there is some sites that references this but just thought it was common knowledge among Process trustees since Hinkie exploited this more than any other GM.

Finding a salary site was pretty easy. Just check any salary site and you will see that any team which signs a 2nd round pick to more more than 2 Years had to use capspace/exceptions to sign the player as minimum contracts are capped at 2years. First one I found was 2017 31st pick, Frank Jackson signed with NOP for up to 3Year/$2.7M using MLE.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Apparently Colangelo plans to go to Israel on the 10th to work this guy out and assess his development according to reddit. The site is in Hebrew that reported it.

[smittybanton]

Nice game yesterday. 9pts, 12rbs, 2stls, 2blks, to, 3pt
Jonah Bolden doing exactly what we need him to be doing next year, a good last-option and finisher.
Last two games: 75% (2pt), 40% (3pt), 11rbs/gm, 2asts/gm, 3.5stls/gm, 3blks/gm, 1to/gm

[PhilasFinest]

6 to 7lbs of muscle away from being a 6'11'' RoCo , and almost as skilled in vision and passing as Ben, will be a great team player.
Why on earth they sent him to israel this year.
Would be a perfect pf for this team this season.

Sorry, but if he was anywhere near as skilled & as gifted a passer as Ben Simmons he would NOT be playing overseas and would have been a top 3 pick in the draft.

Like Bolden, his tools and potential.....but lets not get out of hand here.

[Simmons25]

6 to 7lbs of muscle away from being a 6'11'' RoCo , and almost as skilled in vision and passing as Ben, will be a great team player.
Why on earth they sent him to israel this year.
Would be a perfect pf for this team this season.

Sorry, but if he was anywhere near as skilled & as gifted a passer as Ben Simmons he would NOT be playing overseas and would have been a top 3 pick in the draft.

Like Bolden, his tools and potential.....but lets not get out of hand here.

I agree he is not as skilled and gifted a passer as Ben. I still think Bolden is an above average passer which is still pretty good and definitely a better shooter than Ben (not scorer).

Definitely I think an NBA player though.

Highlights from his game yesterday. Look at the pass towards the end of the video.

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[HotelVitale]

This was something Hinkie always maximised capspace to sign 2nd rounders or UDFA to longer than 2Year minimum deals. He did it with Richaun, TJ and Jerami and has worked so far. He tried to do it with McDaniels but McDaniels did not want to be locked up long-term.

Again, bomber, you're overestimating the importance of this. You can use cap space OR an exception to sign these guys to 3-4 years, so the only way it doesn't work is if you're a) already over the cap and b) already used all of your exceptions. And the amount of space required is tiny, like a million bucks (or less than 1% of the cap).The situation GSW was in this year is rare, in that they had no ability to offer anything beyond the NBA contract minimum, which you can always offer. If we're ever in that situation, it's because we intentionally decided that it was more important to sign a vet than to give out extra years to a 2nd rounder. (We can also not make that decision until FA has started and we see what moves we can/can't make).

Also, the issue with these 2nd round picks is that most of them aren't worthy of roster spots (since we only have 15) so locking one into a 4 year deal doesn't usually work. The 'Hinkie Special' contracts actually exploited not cap space but the Sixers' own lack of good quality roster players--we could keep 5 or 6 guys at a time on those contracts and afford to see which ones turned out to be useful (many didn't). Most teams needs their top 12-13 guys to be contributors and we didn't during the process years. Right now, for example, the biggest issue with us bringing stash picks over now isn't $ but roster space.

[long range bomber]

This was something Hinkie always maximised capspace to sign 2nd rounders or UDFA to longer than 2Year minimum deals. He did it with Richaun, TJ and Jerami and has worked so far. He tried to do it with McDaniels but McDaniels did not want to be locked up long-term.

Again, bomber, you're overestimating the importance of this. You can use cap space OR an exception to sign these guys to 3-4 years, so the only way it doesn't work is if you're a) already over the cap and b) already used all of your exceptions. And the amount of space required is tiny, like a million bucks (or less than 1% of the cap).The situation GSW was in this year is rare, in that they had no ability to offer anything beyond the NBA contract minimum, which you can always offer. If we're ever in that situation, it's because we intentionally decided that it was more important to sign a vet than to give out extra years to a 2nd rounder. (We can also not make that decision until FA has started and we see what moves we can/can't make).

Also, the issue with these 2nd round picks is that most of them aren't worthy of roster spots (since we only have 15) so locking one into a 4 year deal doesn't usually work. The 'Hinkie Special' contracts actually exploited not cap space but the Sixers' own lack of good quality roster players--we could keep 5 or 6 guys at a time on those contracts and afford to see which ones turned out to be useful (many didn't). Most teams needs their top 12-13 guys to be contributors and we didn't during the process years. Right now, for example, the biggest issue with us bringing stash picks over now isn't $ but roster space.

I understand that roster spots are very valuable but it is very doubtful that 11-15th man is actually of any use so it may actually be useful to those spots for high-ceiling but raw prospects.

Look at how useless(for this season anyway but some have future value) the last 4 or 5 spots are on top teams:
1. HOU - (Bobby Brown, Demtrius Jackson, Zhou Qi, Troy Williams, Isiah Canaan, Briante Weber)
2. GS - (Quinn Cook, Javale McGee, Kevon Looney, Pat McCaw, Jordan Bell)
3. SAN - (Brandon Paul, Joffrey Lauvergne, Davis Bertans, Derrick White)
4. BOS - (Guerschon Yabusele, Abdel Nader, Jabari Bird, Shane Larkin, open spot)
5. CLE - (Ante Zizc, Jose Calderon, Channing Frye, Iman Shumpert, Cedi Osman)
6. PHI - (Stauskas, Korkmaz, Anderson, Okafor)

The best used spots of the above are usually high-ceiling but raw prospects and I would be fine having an end of roster of guys like Korkmaz, Bolden, Pasecniks, and some risky high ceiling 2nd rounders form our 4 2nd round picks in 2018.

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[rzzzzz]

say what you will about scarcity of spots on our roster, but right now the lack of offense from the bench is killing us. someone who plays solid D and can actually score would be helpful.

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[smittybanton]

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Man, I would love to see him come over this year. But patience is probably best. Next year, we shed Amir Johnson and Trevor Booker. Bolden's time to shine!

[PhilasFinest]

Aren't there rumblings that BC is going to see/meet with Bolden on December 10th?

Interesting timing for the trade, tweet and trip if it actually ends up happening.

[smittybanton]

Aren't there rumblings that BC is going to see/meet with Bolden on December 10th?

Interesting timing for the trade, tweet and trip if it actually ends up happening.

He's going over the 10th, Markelle Fultz comes back soon, both just in time for the real trade season to begin when guys who signed contracts this summer are eligible to be moved on December 15th. Hmmmmm...

[GimmeDat]

Oh man, I'd love to see him come straight over, if that's possible, but he's probably not going to get burn with Amir and Book filling out the depth.

[long range bomber]

Jonah is an exciting prospect but keep him over there at this point while Amir and Booker Backup Embiid/Homes/Saric.

[Simmons25]

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I would love nothing more than to see Bolden come over... but Olgun is the man when it comes to inside info on Aussie guys. I hope he is wrong though... we have a spare roster spot now.

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[Simmons25]

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Man, I would love to see him come over this year. But patience is probably best. Next year, we shed Amir Johnson and Trevor Booker. Bolden's time to shine!

Not so sure it is best that he stays over there. He would probably get more out of having 5 to 8 mins a game in the NBA getting a feel for the team... than playing overseas and then throwing him in at the deep end next year with Johnson and Booker gone.

As we have seen... even riding the bench and travelling with the team and practising helps guys in the 2nd year even if they never played a game in their first.

[PhilasFinest]

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Man, I would love to see him come over this year. But patience is probably best. Next year, we shed Amir Johnson and Trevor Booker. Bolden's time to shine!

Not so sure it is best that he stays over there. He would probably get more out of having 5 to 8 mins a game in the NBA getting a feel for the team... than playing overseas and then throwing him in at the deep end next year with Johnson and Booker gone.

As we have seen... even riding the bench and travelling with the team and practising helps guys in the 2nd year even if they never played a game in their first.

I think he should continue to develop over there TBH. You can give him a game plan on what to do, both in terms of skills (improve your 3 PT shot) and conditioning ( Do cardio to run the floor at a high pace and add some muscle) with assurance that he's coming over next year.

Coming over now, he would have minimal time to learn plays/sets etc.Probably best to let him play a bigger role over there, emphasize what you want from him and bring him over in the off-season. You gain a contract year of control...which could be beneficial to us as we start spending money and remove ourselves from the years of having the most money in the NBA.

If we acquire any type of legit FA that costs money.....were gonna have to have a steady influx of cheap, young talent. Guys like TJ,Holmes will be tough to keep around after there rookie deals expire.

[Rastas]

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I would love nothing more than to see Bolden come over... but Olgun is the man when it comes to inside info on Aussie guys. I hope he is wrong though... we have a spare roster spot now.

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Could it be that Jonah's Maccabi contract has a 'no out to NBA clause' for this season, (maybe a high buyout) or does Olgun know more than he is revealing.