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Re: PG: Can't stop, won't stop 

Post#61 » by AKfanatic » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:32 am

The way these guys are playing, you’d almost think the Bulls FO team were above average at evaluating talent...
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Re: PG: Can't stop, won't stop 

Post#62 » by bulliedog8 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:32 am

FriedRise wrote:Call Thibs. Niko for KAT, Wiggins, and 2018 1st round pick swap.


You really wanna ruin the bulls future huh? Low key wouldnt even want to trade miro for that offer. They better throw in 3-4 1sts too, and I am 100% serious.


Edit: actually. Maybe I would do that trade. Those two would help stop this winning streak. Bulls need to keep losing and those two would help in that regard, tremendously.
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Re: PG: Can't stop, won't stop 

Post#63 » by Jvaughn » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:32 am

I hate to be that guy, but if the Bulls don't make a trade in the next week, GarPax really need to go. Can't build a winner, and can't build a loser. Just superb at building medocricy.
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Re: PG: Can't stop, won't stop 

Post#64 » by Red Larrivee » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:32 am

Rerisen wrote:You cannot look at how this team is playing and say their likely record should be projected on our full season record.

Niko and Portis were both out to start the year, Dunn clearly is progressing, and LaVine is back soon.


Sure you can, unless you think the Bulls are going to keep facing struggling teams or teams without their star players at home.

I'm glad that the Bulls have strung together some wins, because it's a positive for development and you're not going to lose every single game. The young players look more confident, which is a huge plus. But, I don't see this continuing. Next 6:

@Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Orlando, @Cleveland, @Boston, @Milwaukee

If they go 4-2 or better during that stretch, maybe I'll think differently about it.
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Post#65 » by TheHrvReport » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:32 am

Nwaba +15

Would like to see his +/- total since he's come back. Such a keeper
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Re: PG: Can't stop, won't stop 

Post#66 » by Ice Man » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:33 am

We have the 3rd longest winning streak in the NBA, behind Houston and the Warriors.
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Re: PG: Can't stop, won't stop 

Post#67 » by meekrab » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:33 am

Rerisen wrote:Wonder how many times, if ever before, Robin has shot 20 times in a game.

Last year against the Heat, for one.
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Re: PG: Can't stop, won't stop 

Post#68 » by nomorezorro » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:33 am

even if niko keeps this up for the next month, i dunno how anyone who has watched three years of nikola mirotic could say "yeah, he's definitely figured it out this time"

let someone else try to pull the pin on that grenade if they believe in him.
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Re: PG: Can't stop, won't stop 

Post#69 » by kulaz3000 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:33 am

Polynice4Pippen wrote:
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Niko and Robin on this team for another month and we aren't gonna be a bottom 3 or probably even bottom 5 team.


We are going to lose games this month, most likely the very next game . We aren't going to continue streaking if that's what you're afraid of.


We're not going to be a bottom 5 team, that's all I said.


And I'm saying it's way too early to make that type of prediction. All it takes is trading one or two pieces and it's quick downward spiral.

The bottom 5 teams last season had 20, 24, 26, 28 and 29 wins. And right now we are at 7 wins. Take out Niko, Robin, Bobby or anything combination of players, you take way any depth and the losses start piling up again.

My stance is, you can panic and trade players of value to secure a bottom 3 record, with no assurance you'll get a top 2 pick depending on the odds, or you can be smart, build some of the value of the players you intend to trade, perhaps get an additional first round pick in this upcoming draft or future picks, while also giving yourself enough time to steer the team back to tank and get a top pick. Because say we do only get the no.3 pick with a bottom 3 record, if we have that additional pick we can move, the possibilities are there to make something happen come draft time.

Putting your eggs all in one basket is a silly thing to do. Even when Hinkie was tanking, he was smart and tried to get as many assets from deals as he could, we need to do the same, simply losing games isn't a smart move.
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Re: PG: Can't stop, won't stop 

Post#70 » by Stratmaster » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:34 am

Niko 4-0. Bucking for MVP. :)

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Post#71 » by Indomitable » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:34 am

Polynice4Pippen wrote:Another great game by Niko, big shot late by Dunn. Oh Gar/Pax, at least you tried to build a legit tank. :lol:

Niko anti tank
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Re: PG: Can't stop, won't stop 

Post#72 » by RSP83 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:34 am

For those who choose to keep Portis over Niko, did you guys see Portis missing point blank layup and open lane dunk because he can't jump higher? This is why I can never take Portis seriously as a must keep player.
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Re: PG: Can't stop, won't stop 

Post#73 » by DASMACKDOWN » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:34 am

pduh01 wrote:
DASMACKDOWN wrote:Yeah....tell me there is no concern about the tank..


Plenty of basketball games to lose we still in December if this was say mid January through February then there is a concern.


I think you guys are missing the point to the reason why we have been winning or losing to begin with.

When we started the season we had No Niko, No Portis, No Lavine, No Dunn then went a 12 game stretch of No Nwaba.

Thats going to make you lose a ton of games.

The difference between us and teams like Atlanta, Dallas etc, is that we are getting healthier and actually improving our play. Those 5 names I mentioned 4 of them back, are pushing guys like Felicio, Pondexter, Zipser, whomever bench guy into very limited or non existent roles. Which obviously makes our team much better.

Like I said before, this team hardly looks like worst team overall but rather more like the Knicks, Lakers, Hornets etc Still lottery team, but in the 7-12 variety. People have blinders on if they cant see that.

We have been playing very well for 2 weeks now.
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Re: PG: Can't stop, won't stop 

Post#74 » by Red Larrivee » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:34 am

NZB2323 wrote:I’d take 10 wins and getting a superstar over 35 wins and getting a role player.


Do you think the Bulls are going to win 35 games?
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Post#75 » by MC3 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:35 am

AKfanatic wrote:The way these guys are playing, you’d almost think the Bulls FO team were above average at evaluating talent...

Maybe they wanted this. I feel we will get into Miami heat situation from last year and then year after underperform....
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Re: PG: Can't stop, won't stop 

Post#76 » by RSP83 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:35 am

nomorezorro wrote:even if niko keeps this up for the next month, i dunno how anyone who has watched three years of nikola mirotic could say "yeah, he's definitely figured it out this time"

let someone else try to pull the pin on that grenade if they believe in him.


And throw it back in our face...
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Post#77 » by Indomitable » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:35 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:Maybe Fred is learning to coach right before our eyes. Pushing all the right buttons all of a sudden. Team is moving on offense, finding cutters, making hustle plays. They are fun to watch again. I say good. I was never a fan of tanking and sorry I ever fell into that BS with everyone. I hope Fred and these kids destroy it from here on out. Then I hope we wind up with the gem of the draft anyway. The basketball gods should PUNISH teams who actively try to lose and reward the ones who go for it.

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Re: PG: Can't stop, won't stop 

Post#78 » by WindyCityBorn » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:35 am

NZB2323 wrote:
drosestruts wrote:I'm happy - I think we'll still lose plenty games this season and have a top pick. Games like this keep guys engaged, no amount of high picks matter if players just come in to a toxic, losing culture. (see Sacramento).


Sacramento had Isiah Thomas and Boogie Cousins and fired their coach one year when the team was .500 with Boogie injured.

Look at how many games the 2007 Celtics lost, and how many games the 2002 Cavs lost. The Bulls certainly didn’t win a lot of games in 83.

Where are all the people who were sad we were losing games earlier and said we’d be guaranteed to have the worst record in the league?

That said, if Niko’s play means we can get a first round pick for him and then we start losing again, I’m okay with that.


We need to get more than just ANY first if he keeps playing like this. Mid to late lottery type first.
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Post#79 » by Stratmaster » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:35 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:Maybe Fred is learning to coach right before our eyes. Pushing all the right buttons all of a sudden. Team is moving on offense, finding cutters, making hustle plays. They are fun to watch again. I say good. I was never a fan of tanking and sorry I ever fell into that BS with everyone. I hope Fred and these kids destroy it from here on out. Then I hope we wind up with the gem of the draft anyway. The basketball gods should PUNISH teams who actively try to lose and reward the ones who go for it.

I'm on the wagon with you!

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Re: PG: Can't stop, won't stop 

Post#80 » by kulaz3000 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:36 am

Red Larrivee wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:I’d take 10 wins and getting a superstar over 35 wins and getting a role player.


Do you think the Bulls are going to win 35 games?


I think people forget that having the worst record does not equal no.1 pick.
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