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Re: GT: Nets (11-17) vs Pacers (16-13) - Sunday, Dec 17th, 6:00 PM EST 

Post#181 » by Prokorov » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:37 pm

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what kind of bull is this? he's not in playing shape. He hasn't played any games to get in playing shape. Bruh you can't get in shape from practices. Even in summer camp plenty come out of shape, they get in condition and play games to get in game shape w/ monitored minutes. HE HASN'T PLAYED COMPETITIVE GAMES. Stop lying.

Kenny clearly is lying.


What if his condition hasn’t met the minimum threshold? The Nets has a performance team that monitor and measure everything. What does KA has to gain from not playing him? :banghead: : :banghead:

Don’t @ me. You’re stubborn. Peace out.

I don't trust Kenny. He's new to coaching and distributing minutes, sometimes I believe in him, sometimes I can tell he lies. But I don't blindly believe his word as gospel :dontknow:



I'm tied of your trolling bullsh-t... you need to seriously GTFO if you are going to continue this garbage.

Kenny is lying now? really?

Seriously calm your sh-t or take it elsewhere
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Re: GT: Nets (11-17) vs Pacers (16-13) - Sunday, Dec 17th, 6:00 PM EST 

Post#182 » by Prokorov » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:38 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:I'm not sure what Kenny was going for with sitting Okafor in favor of Acy. When he isn't hitting shots he's not really useful.

Why Crabbe was frozen out is a whole other discussion entirely. These are the nights where you really miss Russell, we have no go to scorer.


Okafor is a ball stopper, he is now not suitable to Kenny's motion offense, he will hurt our team. You should understand what is motion first

Then why trade for him?


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Re: GT: Nets (11-17) vs Pacers (16-13) - Sunday, Dec 17th, 6:00 PM EST 

Post#183 » by LKIRNets » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:41 pm

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LKIRNets wrote:bruh I can't defend this coach for stating he needs conditioning, but doesn't want to give him burn. Game shape and in shape are 2 different things. He's never getting in shape wit out PT. Ok so against the Raptors #5 D in the league he plays on the road. Okafor CLEARLY SAID HE WAS EXCITED TO PLAY IN BROOKLYN ON SUNDAY!

The 2nd year coach DNP'd him. Bruh let's be real here. Even Fratello didn't understand it.


you dont play people because they are excited you play them because they are ready.

im sure their are guys in the G-League excited to get a chance to play on the Nets but that doesnt mean we should call them all up and start them.

we can worry about him being in game shape after he is in shape to get out there.


I don't mean call the G-League guys up, just that guys in that league have played more competitive games than Jah. I wasn't good last night, I loss $200 to a **** index card first down.

It's just frustrating. I feel we got this present and it doesn't work until late 2018.
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Re: GT: Nets (11-17) vs Pacers (16-13) - Sunday, Dec 17th, 6:00 PM EST 

Post#184 » by Paradise » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:52 pm

LKIRNets wrote:
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LKIRNets wrote:bruh I can't defend this coach for stating he needs conditioning, but doesn't want to give him burn. Game shape and in shape are 2 different things. He's never getting in shape wit out PT. Ok so against the Raptors #5 D in the league he plays on the road. Okafor CLEARLY SAID HE WAS EXCITED TO PLAY IN BROOKLYN ON SUNDAY!

The 2nd year coach DNP'd him. Bruh let's be real here. Even Fratello didn't understand it.


you dont play people because they are excited you play them because they are ready.

im sure their are guys in the G-League excited to get a chance to play on the Nets but that doesnt mean we should call them all up and start them.

we can worry about him being in game shape after he is in shape to get out there.


I don't mean call the G-League guys up, just that guys in that league have played more competitive games than Jah. I wasn't good last night, I loss $200 to a **** index card first down.

It's just frustrating. I feel we got this present and it doesn't work until late 2018.

It’s been a week. No reason to panic and I’m sure we will see a ton of jahlil soon. Practice or not, he needs to be integrated properly or else we risk losing and making him look like a scapegoat.

I’d rather at this point, let Kenny do what he does because results show the staff knows what their doing. So, if that means jahlil sits for a few more games to prepare for consistent minutes then I’m all for it.

Yeah, he had 10 Points in 20 minutes in the worst loss of the season. That’s not impressive to anybody but a nets fan in reality so I get it. It’s frustrating to think about watching our bigs struggle or stink at times but you don’t think we’ll do the same with Jahlil if he were to come out sluggish?
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Re: GT: Nets (11-17) vs Pacers (16-13) - Sunday, Dec 17th, 6:00 PM EST 

Post#185 » by Prokorov » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:54 pm

LKIRNets wrote:
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LKIRNets wrote:bruh I can't defend this coach for stating he needs conditioning, but doesn't want to give him burn. Game shape and in shape are 2 different things. He's never getting in shape wit out PT. Ok so against the Raptors #5 D in the league he plays on the road. Okafor CLEARLY SAID HE WAS EXCITED TO PLAY IN BROOKLYN ON SUNDAY!

The 2nd year coach DNP'd him. Bruh let's be real here. Even Fratello didn't understand it.


you dont play people because they are excited you play them because they are ready.

im sure their are guys in the G-League excited to get a chance to play on the Nets but that doesnt mean we should call them all up and start them.

we can worry about him being in game shape after he is in shape to get out there.


I don't mean call the G-League guys up, just that guys in that league have played more competitive games than Jah. I wasn't good last night, I loss $200 to a **** index card first down.

It's just frustrating. I feel we got this present and it doesn't work until late 2018.


sorry you lose money... that always puts people in a crappy mood.

there is just nothing good that can come from rushing okafor and nothing bad that can come from waiting til he is more ready.

we arent winning/losing games based on and even if that were the case its irrelevant since wins dont matter this year/this part of the rebuild.

kenny has developed every single young guy so far... and to impressive results. when he starts failing to do that we can maybe get on him.
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Re: GT: Nets (11-17) vs Pacers (16-13) - Sunday, Dec 17th, 6:00 PM EST 

Post#186 » by LKIRNets » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:58 pm

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you dont play people because they are excited you play them because they are ready.

im sure their are guys in the G-League excited to get a chance to play on the Nets but that doesnt mean we should call them all up and start them.

we can worry about him being in game shape after he is in shape to get out there.


I don't mean call the G-League guys up, just that guys in that league have played more competitive games than Jah. I wasn't good last night, I loss $200 to a **** index card first down.

It's just frustrating. I feel we got this present and it doesn't work until late 2018.


sorry you lose money... that always puts people in a crappy mood.

there is just nothing good that can come from rushing okafor and nothing bad that can come from waiting til he is more ready.

we arent winning/losing games based on and even if that were the case its irrelevant since wins dont matter this year/this part of the rebuild.

kenny has developed every single young guy so far... and to impressive results. when he starts failing to do that we can maybe get on him.


I see your point.
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Re: GT: Nets (11-17) vs Pacers (16-13) - Sunday, Dec 17th, 6:00 PM EST 

Post#187 » by MGrand15 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:28 pm

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MGrand15 wrote:This was an AMAZING game for development. GREAT effort on this fine Sunday afternoon. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.


Anyone who is worried about a loss in december and not keeping "playoff pace" is an asshat who refuses to get what the franchise has consistently told him/her.

We arent going to make short sighted win now moves. we are going to stick to the plan.

you can continue to be passive aggressive baby about it, or you can finally accept the teams direction


I just try to save you some time after games like this one.

And contrary to popular belief on this board, you can be happy with the teams direction AND still be upset after poor or sloppy efforts. I know everything here is black and white but that's not really how life works.

You talk about sticking the plan only when it's convenient. Kenny makes A LOT of adjustments. We don't develop by just sticking the course.
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Re: GT: Nets (11-17) vs Pacers (16-13) - Sunday, Dec 17th, 6:00 PM EST 

Post#188 » by oldjim » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:40 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:I'm not sure what Kenny was going for with sitting Okafor in favor of Acy. When he isn't hitting shots he's not really useful.

Why Crabbe was frozen out is a whole other discussion entirely. These are the nights where you really miss Russell, we have no go to scorer.


Okafor is a ball stopper, he is now not suitable to Kenny's motion offense, he will hurt our team. You should understand what is motion first


Oh no, I'm being mansplained to by a troll who said that D'Angelo Russell = Sean Kilpatrick. :roll:

I find it odd that you only come on here to make posts to disparage certain players on the team. That's literally all you post about. You never talk about the games, nothing. You just want to rip Russell and now Okafor is here you have a new topic to troll this board over. Hopefully the mods will catch on to your tired act soon enough.

You are really crazy ,why i can't provide my opinion, what's wrong with you? I said Okafor is ball stopper, he need to be trained first , is that mean i am troll? What's wrong with you ? Crazy guy

You said i have never talk about the games ?or other players posts ?Please find other players thread i comment ! Please ...
For example ,kil's thread. viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1432853&start=200

Crabbe ,Rhj ,Din, Kilpatrick ,lopez .almost every players ....i have all talked , you are really crazy guy ,you don't allow anyone provided their opinion that you don't like.

Everytime i provide my opinion ,i provided my point ,and i have provided the stats ,your guy don't understand why Kenny sitting Okafor , i help to explain , you don't understand kenny's motion offense ,i explain it , and you say i am a troll ? Wtf .. what's a crazy guy.

I am not saying Okafor is not a good player ,but kenny need time to train him to suit for our motion offense, and i am trolling this board?what's wrong with you ?

I am a basketball coach in japan ,i just provide my professional opinion,but fans here only think about their favourite player, but not the team.
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Re: GT: Nets (11-17) vs Pacers (16-13) - Sunday, Dec 17th, 6:00 PM EST 

Post#189 » by LKIRNets » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:36 pm

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Okafor is a ball stopper, he is now not suitable to Kenny's motion offense, he will hurt our team. You should understand what is motion first


Oh no, I'm being mansplained to by a troll who said that D'Angelo Russell = Sean Kilpatrick. :roll:

I find it odd that you only come on here to make posts to disparage certain players on the team. That's literally all you post about. You never talk about the games, nothing. You just want to rip Russell and now Okafor is here you have a new topic to troll this board over. Hopefully the mods will catch on to your tired act soon enough.

You are really crazy ,why i can't provide my opinion, what's wrong with you? I said Okafor is ball stopper, he need to be trained first , is that mean i am troll? What's wrong with you ? Crazy guy

You said i have never talk about the games ?or other players posts ?Please find other players thread i comment ! Please ...
For example ,kil's thread. viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1432853&start=200

Crabbe ,Rhj ,Din, Kilpatrick ,lopez .almost every players ....i have all talked , you are really crazy guy ,you don't allow anyone provided their opinion that you don't like.

Everytime i provide my opinion ,i provided my point ,and i have provided the stats ,your guy don't understand why Kenny sitting Okafor , i help to explain , you don't understand kenny's motion offense ,i explain it , and you say i am a troll ? Wtf .. what's a crazy guy.

I am not saying Okafor is not a good player ,but kenny need time to train him to suit for our motion offense, and i am trolling this board?what's wrong with you ?

I am a basketball coach in japan ,i just provide my professional opinion,but fans here only think about their favourite player, but not the team.


the confusion is wit your tone in posts.

"but not now, we don't need hero ball and ball stopper, Okafor had the potential but need change his play"

isolation has always and will always be part of the NBA no matter what. Kobe and Shaq and MJ were iso players. There is a give and take wit it. If you check Victor Oladipo this season his biggest change is his iso play.

Now if you're saying that a post up threat needs to stop playing hero ball, it's confusing. B/c when the ball goes in the post the illusion is hero ball, but it's iso, also a strong % shot for Jah. Whereas the 3 ball which is perceived as a great % shot b/c you don't have to expand as much energy to execute it as setting up in the post, your defense is more prone to getting back on fastbreaks and being set is not always a strong % of success.

There's give and take there. Now back to this perception about hero ball (iso) that I get frustrated explaining to Jeremy Lin fans. The perception of hero ball has arrived b/c Mike D'Antoni created a system to contrast it. No one hated Kobe, no one hated Ray Allen, DWade, Paul George, Shaq, MJ, Truth complete hero ball athletes. The minute the D'Antoni system came to the NBA it was deemed a joke, The Rockets tried to adapt it under Kevin McHale and failed until competent superstars played under it and won the NBA title in Steph Curry, Draymond Green and Klay Thompson. Then teams started to mimic it. All it is, is a 2 guard passing system, but completely takes what was a 40% - 50% shooting big and makes them a 39%. KAT, Cousins, Porzingis, Embiid shoot 3's, all under 40%. There's the give a take. Empty possessions are common, but bulk scoring is also common, the front court players are out of rhythm most times b/c it's a heavy guard system.

Back to the Nets. Okafor's strength is in the post. We let guards breakdown the post, the common sense here is get the guy who gets the most high % shots down there. When he's in condition that is. Swinging the ball around is cute, until you go in rhythm freezing out your hot hand or go in rhythm w/ empty possessions. So Motion Offense needs a blend to work. And hero ball isn't exactly a bad thing. We have D'Angelo Russell and in 2017 his hero ball moments in the clutch before injury was 75%. Do you hate hero ball then?

Last night swinging the ball around froze out a hot Allan Crabbe. There's a give and take from Motion. Finding the balance is key and iso, isn't a bad thing.
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Re: GT: Nets (11-17) vs Pacers (16-13) - Sunday, Dec 17th, 6:00 PM EST 

Post#190 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:46 pm

MGrand15 wrote:I think people are forgetting that Stauskas is only really getting playing time because Russell is out and LeVert has taken over the PG spot. We basically had a hole at the wing.

Okafor has 3 guys that can ONLY play center in front of him and he is a guy that can only play center as well. We're not in the position where we need to play him yet.

And he's not on a 10-day contract where we HAVE to see what he brings to the table. We have plenty of time. If he gets upset or impatient over the plan, then he's just proving that he's as immature as his reputation says he is.



And his comments today, he stated that he himself knows that he's not ready yet and going out there playing before he's ready condition wise and understands his role would be the detriment of the team. Sounds like he gets it.
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Re: GT: Nets (11-17) vs Pacers (16-13) - Sunday, Dec 17th, 6:00 PM EST 

Post#191 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:48 pm

We need guys like Russell and Okafor who can create their own shots. Especially on nights where the shots aren't falling.

It's only hero ball when the shots don't go in. When they go in, everyone who screams hero ball about Russell get quiet for some reason.
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Post#192 » by TinmanZBoy » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:08 am

MrDollarBills wrote:We need guys like Russell and Okafor who can create their own shots. Especially on nights where the shots aren't falling.

It's only hero ball when the shots don't go in. When they go in, everyone who screams hero ball about Russell get quiet for some reason.


Okafor's post-ups are needed... hope Kenny will incorporate it in his system, he needs to be better to pass off double teams though...
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Re: GT: Nets (11-17) vs Pacers (16-13) - Sunday, Dec 17th, 6:00 PM EST 

Post#193 » by steady » Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:52 am

MrDollarBills wrote:We need guys like Russell and Okafor who can create their own shots. Especially on nights where the shots aren't falling.

It's only hero ball when the shots don't go in. When they go in, everyone who screams hero ball about Russell get quiet for some reason.



I don't go quiet when the shots go in. I am not in favor of Russell shooting 20+ FGAs a game regardless of whether they go in or not..As we saw in eight games Russell played, the team's wins correlated better to Russell's efficiency than to his total points scored.

Another example is Okafor's 10 points scored on 5-11 shooting against Pacers. That stat line doesn't look terrible but if you had watched his play -- especially in the last six minutes of first half when the Pacers got a huge lead, you would not be surprised at all that Okafor's not playing right now, he actively made the team worse.

Again not his fault because he needs more time to get integrated.
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Re: GT: Nets (11-17) vs Pacers (16-13) - Sunday, Dec 17th, 6:00 PM EST 

Post#194 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:15 pm

steady wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:We need guys like Russell and Okafor who can create their own shots. Especially on nights where the shots aren't falling.

It's only hero ball when the shots don't go in. When they go in, everyone who screams hero ball about Russell get quiet for some reason.



I don't go quiet when the shots go in. I am not in favor of Russell shooting 20+ FGAs a game regardless of whether they go in or not..As we saw in eight games Russell played, the team's wins correlated better to Russell's efficiency than to his total points scored.

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agreed. I don't want him jacking up shots for the sake of it, but I do want him in control of the game when we have nights where the shooters are off or we need someone that can take over in the 4th.
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Re: GT: Nets (11-17) vs Pacers (16-13) - Sunday, Dec 17th, 6:00 PM EST 

Post#195 » by steady » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:24 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
steady wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:We need guys like Russell and Okafor who can create their own shots. Especially on nights where the shots aren't falling.

It's only hero ball when the shots don't go in. When they go in, everyone who screams hero ball about Russell get quiet for some reason.



I don't go quiet when the shots go in. I am not in favor of Russell shooting 20+ FGAs a game regardless of whether they go in or not..As we saw in eight games Russell played, the team's wins correlated better to Russell's efficiency than to his total points scored.

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agreed. I don't want him jacking up shots for the sake of it, but I do want him in control of the game when we have nights where the shooters are off or we need someone that can take over in the 4th.



Russells ability to score down the stretch is huge .. i totally agree with this, I just also wamt a balanced attack or at least the threat of one , so opponents defense has to stay honest

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