Star Wars Episode VIII - SPOILERS

[IllmaticHandler]

Yoda taught him how to harness the force. Rey has a good grasp of it for someone who has no training, but there's more to being taught something than just by reading it. Take studying law - you can know all of the laws and everything, but applying it is completely different.

She didn't really get teaching from Luke...like, less than what Luke received from Yoda. The books will help her learning the force, but it's not a be-all, end-all teaching product. I'm curious to see how far she's able to advance between 8 and 9.

I am a lawyer, I would know! A new lawyer, but still.

I think there could have been more teaching scenes with Luke and Rey (apparently "Lesson 3" will be a deleted scene), but the scene with her on the rock I think was pretty great. She obviously has a talent that doesn't require a ton of teaching, though I liked her line when she said the force was a power allowing people to move rocks and things. I still say at the start of 9, she's a full fledged Jedi with years passing. Maybe teaching new students.

As am I! Graduated back in May and I've been working in data/privacy law since. A bit out of the realm of what I want to do, but I'm still feeling things out.

Was just gonna say that they removed 20 min of footage from the film and apparently one of the scenes was her being taught by Luke. The ground cracking was another awesome scene. I also liked how she "went to the darkness." Kinda goes against the whole "Rey being perfect" thing people said about her after E7.

If they end up with her starting the NJO that'd be awesome. The little boy at the end with the broom might have been a teaser for that (even if he doesn't end up going to the school) - just as a way to show that there are still plenty of force-sensitive users out there.

That little kid has to be a teaser. If not it was just cheesy. The minute I saw it and the ring flashed and he supposedly saw the Falcon, he would be a Jedi or something. Its the whole "new hope" thing going on.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Sorry but any star wars movie that begins with a yo mama joke deserves to get panned.

As for the force awakens, the point of that movie was not only to show fans that disney knew what it was doing but to also present interesting new characters while paying reverence to the old characters, it succeeded with all that.

This movie had a chance to not only expand upon that but also go into an exciting new direction. It failed.

It didn't address the issues that Force awakens left, even going so far as to completely ignore them.
It failed to expand upon the characters other then hackneyed cliched ways.
It didn't even deliver a light saber battle.
It failed Luke. Even Mark Hamil didn't like the direction they went with it.

also: WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KNIGHTS OF REN?

I'm going to assume the group of students are the Knights of Ren. That seems like a valuable resource not to be using. Especially when the other side has all of 3 known force users on it's side.

What happened to the group of students he took with him also...? Ugh, I wish they went into more detail about the school...

I think those students are the Knights of Ren. I would bet we see the in IX. After all, JJ created them, and now that Kylo is the man, he will need his boys (or girls?) with him to fight.

Can't believe I didn't think of that.

[SmoothLefty21]

I have no problem with them going in a totally new direction, as long as the direction was good and executed properly. Unfortunately it was executed terribly, and I have no idea what the new direction is. This movie would be fine of it was the last part of a trilogy. But it was part 2, and it left no compelling reason to want to see the next one.

Also the humor was terribly placed. Totally killed any mood.

The best thing about this movie is that I am now more familiar with Rian Johnson, and will stay away from his work in the future.

This was one of my biggest issues with "burning it all down", you have to at least hint at where you're going next. There's no cliffhanger, no hint, nothing. Rian Johnson seems to have taken the easy way out with this one. He didn't like what TFA was (or where the entire franchise was) and said "screw this" and burned it all down. Anyone can do that. Now someone else will have to clean up his mess and give the franchise its new direction and that's the difficult task.

For all the subversion, Star Wars is still pretty much the same as far as we know. We've got a small band of rebels facing a larger evil force and a couple of Force-sensitive characters.

There is no reason that this change couldn't have happened more subtly and quicker. We did not need a 2.5 hour movie to do this and we needed some kind of hint as to what's coming next. I've mentioned that I never felt so empty or cared so little at the conclusion of a Star Wars movie. We burn all of Star Wars lore down and give you nothing new. Fun times!

[IllmaticHandler]

The only way I will respect Disney is if they do something animated, and show what Luke did after ROTJ how he got the books, Rise of the order...snook etc etc....These movies need the animated clone wars type of treatment to make the story really work. That's what the prequels did. They made sure to fill in all the gaps and increase the story. You want to slack on the movies fine, but create some good animated canon at least.

[Oscirus]

The only way I will respect Disney is if they do something animated, and show what Luke did after ROTJ how he got the books, Rise of the order...snook etc etc....These movies need the animated clone wars type of treatment to make the story really work. That's what the prequels did. They made sure to fill in all the gaps and increase the story. You want to slack on the movies fine, but create some good animated canon at least.

Disney will defintely have animated stuff especially now that it's in the streaming business. Disney basically put a mini skirt and lipstick on star wars, they're going to squeeze every penny out of this franchise that they can get.

[IllmaticHandler]

Thats whats Dangerous about this version of SW. That it can change from person to person. That's never a good thing with a story like this. There should be a central way to do it already established and all must follow.

[Sark]

Basically it was like making a new Godfather trilogy, but in episode 2 they kill off the Italian mob, and the movie is now about Iowa corn farmers.

Ok cool. You're going in a new direction. But why the hell do I want to watch your new story.

[Marty McFly]

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I'm right there with mark. this is why this film has been bothering more than it should.

[E-Balla]

Basically it was like making a new Godfather trilogy, but in episode 2 they kill off the Italian mob, and the movie is now about Iowa corn farmers.

Ok cool. You're going in a new direction. But why the hell do I want to watch your new story.

They didn't even kill off the Jedi and Sith tho. Like go all in if you're destroying it all. This is like if they killed off the Italian mob but left the kids alive to take the reigns if they want but heavily leaned towards the corn farmers faking the reigns. Basically Rian Johnson was too scared to change the status quo so he kept everything the same. A complete open book. Which wouldn't be an issue if this wasn't the 2nd movie of the trilogy. We had an open book before the first film dammit!

[IllmaticHandler]

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I'm right there with mark. this is why this film has been bother more than it should.

I mean come on. Even Mark has issues. Yo Fury Chiiiiiiiiilllllll fam.

[Meat]

Sorry but any star wars movie that begins with a yo mama joke deserves to get panned.

As for the force awakens, the point of that movie was not only to show fans that disney knew what it was doing but to also present interesting new characters while paying reverence to the old characters, it succeeded with all that.

This movie had a chance to not only expand upon that but also go into an exciting new direction. It failed.

It didn't address the issues that Force awakens left, even going so far as to completely ignore them.
It failed to expand upon the characters other then hackneyed cliched ways.
It didn't even deliver a light saber battle.
It failed Luke. Even Mark Hamil didn't like the direction they went with it.

also: WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KNIGHTS OF REN?

What happened to the group of students he took with him also...? Ugh, I wish they went into more detail about the school...

im assuming the students are the knights, since snope's pretorian guard is dead and kylo is the supreme leader... kinda just writes itself.

[BeagleBoss]

The casino story and Rose was so dumb. They should have used that time to tell us more about Snoke and how he came into power and how he corupted Kylo. Movie should have ended with Kylo extending his hand to Rey. Leave everyone guessing whether she joins him or not.

I also disliked the DJ character. Why not have another Knight of Ren strong with the force and loyal to Snoke?

[WajaBawl]

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I'm right there with mark. this is why this film has been bothering more than it should.

That was very disheartening to watch. You can tell Mark is passionate and very knowledgeable about the character that is Luke Skywalker, and agrees with the die-heart Star Wars fans that it should have gone in another direction than that trash that is TLJ. He clearly paints it as not being a true Star Wars movie, and I couldn't agree with him more.

[Spree2Houston]

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I don't believe Snoke is dead. Luke was able to kiss Leia in his hologram phase so clearly you can still physically ''feel'' a person touching you even if it's just a projection. I believe Snoke may have done the same thing. He was never physically in that room with Kylo and Rey. But as Luke showed when he kissed Leia on the forehead, you can still ''feel and touch'' a hologram projection.

[prophet_of_rage]

Someone tell me any major game changing developments from the enslaved of TFA to the end of TLJ. Please. There are none this movie was pointless which wouldn't be a problem if half the movie wasn't trash.

The Resistance was reduced to 30 people
Kylo Ren ascended to the level of the Supreme Leader and chose to be irredeemable. See, he killed his actual father and it left him weak and he couldn't kill his mother, but he got over that and learned to kill the greatest father figure in his life. He succeeded at killing the past.
Luke Skywalker ascended to martyr. His role was always to be "handing down Excalibur." He had two lines in the film that were essentially directly to the audience. "Amazing. Everything in that sentence was wrong." Which invalidated every stupid fan theory out there. And "What did you think, I was going to run out and face the first order with a laser sword?" Exactly, Skywalker was supposed to be a symbol. Not an actual guy who could face down the First Order and kill their leadership. As we saw with the Empire, they simply regrouped after their big bads were killed. Now the Resistance has to rebuild.
The old nostalgic Star Wars was closed and we are allowed to build new adventures and a new world.
Princess Leia finally got to do important things.

There was a lot of gamechanging in the film.

[shtolky]

Someone tell me any major game changing developments from the enslaved of TFA to the end of TLJ. Please. There are none this movie was pointless which wouldn't be a problem if half the movie wasn't trash.

The Resistance was reduced to 30 people
Kylo Ren ascended to the level of the Supreme Leader and chose to be irredeemable. See, he killed his actual father and it left him weak and he couldn't kill his mother, but he got over that and learned to kill the greatest father figure in his life. He succeeded at killing the past.
Luke Skywalker ascended to martyr. His role was always to be "handing down Excalibur." He had two lines in the film that were essentially directly to the audience. "Amazing. Everything in that sentence was wrong." Which invalidated every stupid fan theory out there. And "What did you think, I was going to run out and face the first order with a laser sword?" Exactly, Skywalker was supposed to be a symbol. Not an actual guy who could face down the First Order and kill their leadership. As we saw with the Empire, they simply regrouped after their big bads were killed. Now the Resistance has to rebuild.
The old nostalgic Star Wars was closed and we are allowed to build new adventures and a new world.
Princess Leia finally got to do important things.

There was a lot of gamechanging in the film.

Saying it's pointless when literally every single major character changes is kind of odd. Snoke dead. Kylo Ren the new Supreme Leader. Luke dead. Rey the last jedi and finally finds out where she comes from. Finn going from selfish stormtrooper to attempted martyr. Poe now firmly entrenched in a leadership role. Tons of resistance wiped out. A ton happens in this one. Most especially the end when Luke goes from shamed jedi master to literally a legend which sparks the new hope.

[shtolky]

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-backlash/

There is some real scum out there. These people need to get a life.

[WajaBawl]

Someone tell me any major game changing developments from the enslaved of TFA to the end of TLJ. Please. There are none this movie was pointless which wouldn't be a problem if half the movie wasn't trash.

The Resistance was reduced to 30 people
Kylo Ren ascended to the level of the Supreme Leader and chose to be irredeemable. See, he killed his actual father and it left him weak and he couldn't kill his mother, but he got over that and learned to kill the greatest father figure in his life. He succeeded at killing the past.
Luke Skywalker ascended to martyr. His role was always to be "handing down Excalibur." He had two lines in the film that were essentially directly to the audience. "Amazing. Everything in that sentence was wrong." Which invalidated every stupid fan theory out there. And "What did you think, I was going to run out and face the first order with a laser sword?" Exactly, Skywalker was supposed to be a symbol. Not an actual guy who could face down the First Order and kill their leadership. As we saw with the Empire, they simply regrouped after their big bads were killed. Now the Resistance has to rebuild.
The old nostalgic Star Wars was closed and we are allowed to build new adventures and a new world.
Princess Leia finally got to do important things.

There was a lot of gamechanging in the film.

Amazing. Everything in that paragraph was wrong.

[NBA Fan 1234]

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-backlash/

There is some real scum out there. These people need to get a life.

What the ****?

[shtolky]

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-backlash/

There is some real scum out there. These people need to get a life.

What the ****?

Just to be clear, I am not saying those who dislike the movie are wrong, but as I said yesterday, when it rises to the level of these scumbags being racist, sexist, homophobic jerks, it makes you question the sanity of some of these people. As illmatic pointed out the other day, he loves the movies but not THAT much to the point of going nuts over it. These people are disgusting.