Star Wars Episode VIII - SPOILERS

[Smash3]

Terminator 2 is my favorite movie ever. Aliens is amazing. Logan is one of the 2 best comic book movies I've ever seen. Sequels that subvert tropes aren't anything new and fans love them when done well. This wasn't that.

Logan is probably my favorite comic book movie,it’s underrated by a lot of people.

[prophet_of_rage]

Spoiler:

does anyone think it may be too late to introduce another character that may be related to the skywalkers? like, maybe luke met and bone't sabine and had a kid he didn't know about? a force sensitive mandolorian would be rad.

Far too late and counterproductive.

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[prophet_of_rage]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2017/12/20/one-reason-the-last-jedi-is-a-masterpiece-it-shatters-our-star-wars-nostalgia/#1b7208f11d4b

I've ranted against this stupid take so many times in the last week that I don't have the energy to do it anymore. I should fire up my copy pasta and have it ready every time one of these articles is posted.

It is a valid and not the only reason. I think it is he best acted Star Wars film, visually beautiful, tells a fine if not bloated story, and has brilliant and artistic aesthetic.

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[J9Starks3]

I’d like to point out as well, to those who say “it is a new story, so you don’t like it”.

If I told you that after a surprising and critical victory against a galaxy wide force a small band of rebels are forced out of their base, chased by the much stronger forces. The hero from the previous battle, an unknown force sensitive person travels to an uninhabited planet to get training from the grand Jedi master whose gone into hiding. Before training can be completed the hero decides to leave to confront the dark side apprentice whom they feel can be turned to their side. The dark force user reveals a secret about the heroes parentage before eventually turning on their own master who is about to kill the hero.

It’s not that this is such a new story that old timers don’t like it. It’s that the character development still doesn’t make sense to me. The casino scene is still pointless and long. The decisions poe makes still only seem bad/good because of things he couldn’t possibly know during yet they call that development...what if there was no hole in the other side of the base or Rey doesn’t get there to lift the rocks. Would it not have been better to sacrifice Finn to give them more time to hope for folks to come? They would all be dead had it not been for a convenient backdoor to go out of.

At the same time, Kylo and Hux do not make me worried about the fate of our heroes like the emperor and Vader did after ESB.

There was some really good stuff in this movie - but it gets overshadowed by a lot of really bad or pointless things.

[prophet_of_rage]

I’d like to point out as well, to those who say “it is a new story, so you don’t like it”.

If I told you that after a surprising and critical victory against a galaxy wide force a small band of rebels are forced out of their base, chased by the much stronger forces. The hero from the previous battle, an unknown force sensitive person travels to an uninhabited planet to get training from the grand Jedi master whose gone into hiding. Before training can be completed the hero decides to leave to confront the dark side apprentice whom they feel can be turned to their side. The dark force user reveals a secret about the heroes parentage before eventually turning on their own master who is about to kill the hero.

It’s not that this is such a new story that old timers don’t like it. It’s that the character development still doesn’t make sense to me. The casino scene is still pointless and long. The decisions poe makes still only seem bad/good because of things he couldn’t possibly know during yet they call that development...what if there was no hole in the other side of the base or Rey doesn’t get there to lift the rocks. Would it not have been better to sacrifice Finn to give them more time to hope for folks to come? They would all be dead had it not been for a convenient backdoor to go out of.

At the same time, Kylo and Hux do not make me worried about the fate of our heroes like the emperor and Vader did after ESB.

There was some really good stuff in this movie - but it gets overshadowed by a lot of really bad or pointless things.

There are a lot of callbacks to Empire and Return of the Jedi in the Last Jedi. It isn't, for me, the outline of the plot but the choices and subversions of the tropes made that make it interesting. It is a far better made film than TFA. It has something very political to say. It has something intellectual to say. It makes you think way more than TFA did and way more than any other film the ESB.

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[Oscirus]

Also can we talk about how "progressive" Star Wars claims to be yet they relegated all the major minorities in here to a c plot revolving around social issues and having little to do with the actual plot?

[J9Starks3]

I’d like to point out as well, to those who say “it is a new story, so you don’t like it”.

If I told you that after a surprising and critical victory against a galaxy wide force a small band of rebels are forced out of their base, chased by the much stronger forces. The hero from the previous battle, an unknown force sensitive person travels to an uninhabited planet to get training from the grand Jedi master whose gone into hiding. Before training can be completed the hero decides to leave to confront the dark side apprentice whom they feel can be turned to their side. The dark force user reveals a secret about the heroes parentage before eventually turning on their own master who is about to kill the hero.

It’s not that this is such a new story that old timers don’t like it. It’s that the character development still doesn’t make sense to me. The casino scene is still pointless and long. The decisions poe makes still only seem bad/good because of things he couldn’t possibly know during yet they call that development...what if there was no hole in the other side of the base or Rey doesn’t get there to lift the rocks. Would it not have been better to sacrifice Finn to give them more time to hope for folks to come? They would all be dead had it not been for a convenient backdoor to go out of.

At the same time, Kylo and Hux do not make me worried about the fate of our heroes like the emperor and Vader did after ESB.

There was some really good stuff in this movie - but it gets overshadowed by a lot of really bad or pointless things.

There are a lot of callbacks to Empire and Return of the Jedi in the Last Jedi. It isn't, for me, the outline of the plot but the choices and subversions of the tropes made that make it interesting. It is a far better made film than TFA. It has something very political to say. It has something intellectual to say. It makes you think way more than TFA did and way more than any other film the ESB.

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Cinematically, I agree...the shots are beautiful. I had more “fun” with TFA. It wasn’t new or original (I don’t think TLJ is either) but it rebooted the franchise for me. I wouldn’t call either intellectual, certainly their is a political element to the casino scene but it’s out of place. Feels like they put the whole thing there to give Finn something to do while telling us that horse racing is wrong and that people play both sides. Wish they would have explored the people playing both sides more but they don’t - they give us slapstick alien comedy as the stampede goes thru the “bad guys” and rose gets to put her fist thru the planet.

[prophet_of_rage]

Also can we talk about how "progressive" Star Wars claims to be yet they relegated all the major minorities in here to a c plot revolving around social issues and having little to do with the actual plot?

Until the Finn sacrifice scene that was very true. Finn and Rose didn't really have a role in the film until that point. DJ was absolutely unnecessary. But that was like a backdoor pilot. It wasn't aboit serving this film but setting up what I assume will be Johnson's exploration of the universe.

It was interesting because we never really know what tje galaxy is like day-to-day. I mean we are told the Empire is evil but we never really see it except for police action against a rebellion.

But at least they got to show us a more varihued star wars.

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[SmoothLefty21]

Also can we talk about how "progressive" Star Wars claims to be yet they relegated all the major minorities in here to a c plot revolving around social issues and having little to do with the actual plot?

Does Star Wars/Disney actually make that claim? I think those are fans/critics who say that.

TLJ did continue Disney's trend of strong women in leadership/important roles (Leia, Holdo, Rey, Phasma) following up on Jyn Erso and Iden Versio. My wife was never a Star Wars fan but she admitted this change has made her far more interested so I guess Disney is doing something right. Gender gets priority over race in this trilogy, maybe in Johnson's own trilogy he'll make sure race gets top billing.

[Oscirus]

Also can we talk about how "progressive" Star Wars claims to be yet they relegated all the major minorities in here to a c plot revolving around social issues and having little to do with the actual plot?

Does Star Wars/Disney actually make that claim? I think those are fans/critics who say that.

TLJ did continue Disney's trend of strong women in leadership/important roles (Leia, Holdo, Rey, Phasma) following up on Jyn Erso and Iden Versio. My wife was never a Star Wars fan but she admitted this change has made her far more interested so I guess Disney is doing something right. Gender gets priority over race in this trilogy, maybe in Johnson's own trilogy he'll make sure race gets top billing.

Not only does it make that claim but kennedy furthered that claim by promising even more diversity behind the camera, which lol.

I got the audience they were targetting, hence the shirtless Kylo scene, but disney really needs to be called out for it's buffoonery. You have one black character in this series and he's basically treated like a joke the majority of the time that he's on the screen.

[thebuzzardman]

Also can we talk about how "progressive" Star Wars claims to be yet they relegated all the major minorities in here to a c plot revolving around social issues and having little to do with the actual plot?

At least they didn't get the "conniving Jew, sinister inscrutable Chinaman, and shucking and jiving Jamaican" treatment that George Lucas would have given them. Baby steps.

[prophet_of_rage]

Also can we talk about how "progressive" Star Wars claims to be yet they relegated all the major minorities in here to a c plot revolving around social issues and having little to do with the actual plot?

At least they didn't get the "conniving Jew, sinister inscrutable Chinaman, and shucking and jiving Jamaican" treatment that George Lucas would have given them. Baby steps.

The prequel stereotypes were cringe worthy. This new trilogy has awakened to its Asian erasure and fixed that in the films since TFA.


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[kenneyy88]

The space battles were spectacular! Throughout the movie, there was a sense of danger and unpredictability for most of the characters. I enjoyed this movie a lot more than the previous movie. Force Awakens played it safe by being too much of a Episode 4 rehash/recycling. There was some fan service and some weird moments, but there was nothing that really bothered me. The plot really moved as there weren't too many lulls. There are some humorous moments- one including an Iron. Overall, it was an enjoyable movie.

[Marty McFly]

Spoiler:

does anyone think it may be too late to introduce another character that may be related to the skywalkers? like, maybe luke met and bone't sabine and had a kid he didn't know about? a force sensitive mandolorian would be rad.

Far too late and counterproductive.

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that would depend on the story i would think. it's happened before in the SW universe.

[N Y K]

star wars really isn't doing so well as an entire body of work... it's all overrated

[NBA Fan 1234]

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-last-jedi-mistakes-inconsistencies-plot-holes/

Screenrant is hit or miss with its articles IMO, but lol.

[ITGM]

That entire film was nothing more than a joke!

[IllmaticHandler]

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-last-jedi-mistakes-inconsistencies-plot-holes/

Screenrant is hit or miss with its articles IMO, but lol.

14. THE FIRST ORDER COULD HAVE EASILY DESTROYED THE RESISTANCE SHIP

Are you seriously going to tell us that the entirety of the First Order’s fleet could not stop one, lone rickety old ship from getting away at a snail’s pace?

This goes back to the first order being a Joke.


For reference, the Empire Chasing Leia's ship in ANH. Lets not add the Empire only used one ship here, vs the First Orders fleet.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

Also can we talk about how "progressive" Star Wars claims to be yet they relegated all the major minorities in here to a c plot revolving around social issues and having little to do with the actual plot?

Does Star Wars/Disney actually make that claim? I think those are fans/critics who say that.

TLJ did continue Disney's trend of strong women in leadership/important roles (Leia, Holdo, Rey, Phasma) following up on Jyn Erso and Iden Versio. My wife was never a Star Wars fan but she admitted this change has made her far more interested so I guess Disney is doing something right. Gender gets priority over race in this trilogy, maybe in Johnson's own trilogy he'll make sure race gets top billing.

Right, but Rey had no real development, Holdo was just a series of bad cliches, and Phasma was barely used and then killed off. I think it’s great that they are starting to feature more females, but the next step needs to be creating and developing three-dimensional female characters. The only characters in TLJ that went through any growth/arc at all were men.

[prophet_of_rage]

Leia developed. Rey did too. Holdo was to develop Poe and Phasma is nothing more than marketing.

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