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[catch20two]

Especially when you can do the logic gymnastics of patting yourself on the back for your criticism about our team's inability to develop talent by pointing to Lamb's development.

I thought I’ve pointed out enough since Lamb’s OKC days that he delivers as long as he get consistent minutes. Like I said you don’t pay attention.

[yosemiteben]

Let's just say I'm not unaware of your glorification of Lamb. You've been ignoring his flaws for years.

[catch20two]

Let's just say I'm not unaware of your glorification of Lamb. You've been ignoring his flaws for years.

I haven’t. Every player has flaws.

[Braggins]

PHI is 1-9 in their last 10, 4 games under .500. That tank is far from validated.

Eh, they're still comfortably ahead of us and their two best players are 23 and 21 years old. They also have financial flexibility and probably a better coach. They are in a much better position than we are.

I do worry about their GM situation, though. That trade to move up for Fultz was egregious and Colangelo has a really bad track record in general. Hinkie built the foundation that gives the franchise real hope, but he got martyred for it.

Whether or not the Philly situation pans out doesn't really change whether or not tanking or building through the draft is a legitimate option for teams to utilize. The 76ers went from being one of the most hopeless franchises in the league to having a guy who has the potential to be the best player in the league, another clear all-star caliber young player who in his rookie season is already better than anybody on the Hornets not named Kemba, a great financial situation, and plenty of valuable trade assets. They are in an infinitely better position than they were five years ago. You can't possibly argue that they would have been better off continuing to try to fight for 8th seeds with Jrue Holiday, Thad Young, and Spencer Hawes. It doesn't matter if Embiids health or something else unforeseen ruins them.

[yosemiteben]

Eh, they're still comfortably ahead of us and their two best players are 23 and 21 years old. They also have financial flexibility and probably a better coach. They are in a much better position than we are.

They sure as hell better be, they made their team as bad as possible four seasons in a row to get to this point. Now they're still below .500 and their star player is looking like a lock to miss at least 20 games a season, and this is after dumping two top 10 picks they've made at the same position.

They have some great pieces, but it is completely realistic that they never have more playoff success than we have had.

[fatlever]

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[Braggins]

Eh, they're still comfortably ahead of us and their two best players are 23 and 21 years old. They also have financial flexibility and probably a better coach. They are in a much better position than we are.

They sure as hell better be, they made their team as bad as possible four seasons in a row to get to this point. Now they're still below .500 and their star player is looking like a lock to miss at least 20 games a season, and this is after dumping two top 10 picks they've made at the same position.

They have some great pieces, but it is completely realistic that they never have more playoff success than we have had.

These arguments make me feel like I'm taking crazy pills. We have literally nothing to show for our win now efforts during that time period. We've also been basically unwatchable for the majority of it (currently are as well). The difference is that they now have a clear path towards future success and we are literally one of the worst situations in the entire league.

This is the first year that they haven't been trying to lose and they are already clearly better than us. You will sit there and defend anything our front office does, no matter how bad the result or how bad we suck, and yet you are somehow skeptical of the 76ers strategy because they aren't doing well enough, even though they are doing better than us while being led by a rookie and a 23 year old who has less than a full season of experience? Give me a break... I also don't want to hear about Embiids health. Kemba has had like three or four knee surgeries and if he went down with a career altering injury it would be much worse for us than it would be for Philly if the same happened to Embiid. Injuries can ruin anyones plans and they aren't only a problem for tanking teams.

We don't get a pass for sucking just because we haven't been trying to suck. I would much rather watch a team that is trying to suck as bad as possible as part of a plan to improve their talent level in the future than a team that sucks on a normal level, while trying to be good, due to rampant incompetence. I bet Philly fans are super jealous of our two first round losses to the Heat and would much rather have that experience than Embiid and Simmons.

[yosemiteben]

I would much rather watch a team that is trying to suck as bad as possible as part of a plan to improve their talent level in the future than a team that sucks on a normal level, while trying to be good, due to rampant incompetence.

The difference between us. I would quit on this team if they told me we were going to intentionally suck for four seasons and hope that our draft picks save us.

[catch20two]

I would much rather watch a team that is trying to suck as bad as possible as part of a plan to improve their talent level in the future than a team that sucks on a normal level, while trying to be good, due to rampant incompetence.

The difference between us. I would quit on this team if they told me we were going to intentionally suck for four seasons and hope that our draft picks save us.

Where was you at between 2011-2014? Lol.

[yosemiteben]

I would much rather watch a team that is trying to suck as bad as possible as part of a plan to improve their talent level in the future than a team that sucks on a normal level, while trying to be good, due to rampant incompetence.

The difference between us. I would quit on this team if they told me we were going to intentionally suck for four seasons and hope that our draft picks save us.

Where was you at between 2011-2014? Lol.

Moved to Charlotte in summer 2012. Tracked team but didn't regularly watch games until 2013-14. Used to be more into college.

[catch20two]

Ok. So you didn’t experience that 3 year tank that netted us Biyombo, Kemba, MKG, and Cody. Neither did I. I’m happy I didn’t have to witness that 7-59 season on this board. It became kinda fun during the MKG year with Dunlap. 2012 actually the year I came on board too.

As far as the draft picks without mentioning getting Frank, Vonleh, and Monk in the lottery over the next couple years. We’ve had 7 lottery picks in as many years.

I’m not big on tanking. I’m almost totally against it. I just wonder what’s the plan to keep Kemba and if we’ll have the cap space without going deep into the luxury tax to retain him and if it’ll be worth it if the rest of the roster is mediocre.

[fatlever]

if hornets had done what philly did, team would be in Seattle now.

[Braggins]

I would much rather watch a team that is trying to suck as bad as possible as part of a plan to improve their talent level in the future than a team that sucks on a normal level, while trying to be good, due to rampant incompetence.

The difference between us. I would quit on this team if they told me we were going to intentionally suck for four seasons and hope that our draft picks save us.

But youll stick around for four years of sucking as long as its because the team has no plan or ability to not suck? If you were a Philly fan would you have been upset that they didnt try to chase low playoff seeds with Jrue Holiday, Thad Young, and Spencer Hawes, and instead went and got two players with superstar potential?

How do you reconcile that 3 of our current top 4 players, including our lone all star, were acquired by tanking?

[Braggins]

if hornets had done what philly did, team would be in Seattle now.

Eh, we did like 60-70% of what Philly did and it is the only reason the franchise has any glimmer of hope at the moment. We are in such a bad position now specifically because we gave up on that plan before we even knew if we had a single franchise level player (thank god Kemba made the leap) and decided to start trying to build the team through a never ending carousel of castaways and washed up and/or overrated veterans and neglecting player development. We are also right back to being one of the top candidates for relocation.

[Eoghan]

Ok. So you didn’t experience that 3 year tank that netted us Biyombo, Kemba, MKG, and Cody. Neither did I. I’m happy I didn’t have to witness that 7-59 season on this board. It became kinda fun during the MKG year with Dunlap. 2012 actually the year I came on board too.

The 7 win Bobcats were honestly more entertaining than any Hornets 2.0 season IMO. They were terrible but there was at least some sort of hope and semblance of a direction. Now it's back to the same definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, of trying to squeak into the 8th seed in Sisyphean fashion and avoid being swept by a proper team. I'd rather watch really young draft picks try and play hard and fail miserably (on cheap, rookie deals) than watch overpaid Batum refuse to shoot and Dwight grin and laugh during another losing effort.

[Braggins]

Ok. So you didn’t experience that 3 year tank that netted us Biyombo, Kemba, MKG, and Cody. Neither did I. I’m happy I didn’t have to witness that 7-59 season on this board. It became kinda fun during the MKG year with Dunlap. 2012 actually the year I came on board too.

The 7 win Bobcats were honestly more entertaining than any Hornets 2.0 season IMO. They were terrible but there was at least some sort of hope and semblance of a direction. Now it's back to the same definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, of trying to squeak into the 8th seed in Sisyphean fashion and avoid being swept by a proper team. I'd rather watch really young draft picks try and play hard and fail miserably (on cheap, rookie deals) than watch overpaid Batum refuse to shoot and Dwight grin and laugh during another losing effort.

Exactly. I started following the team closely after Kemba was drafted and 2014/2015 was by far the worst season of the Cho era in terms of fan experience for me.

2013/2014 was fun in some ways, but I still hated it deep down because I thought the direction we decided to go would lead to the franchise right back to where it was before Cho took over, at best.

This season would be even more excruciating if I wasn't so excited about the prospect of Clifford being fired. Its still not fun because I'm not actually convinced that we aren't going to do a horrible desperation trade and continue to roll with Clifford, so the suspense is killing me.

[JDR720]

I have been saying this for a while, but we are on the verge of a big rebuild. We lack cap space, a few key players are older, we lack high potential youth and the east is getting better.

We have the same record as the bulls, who just traded their star and are rebuilding and the nets who have sucked for years.

We are probably the worst situation in the league. Other teams who suck like us either have some high-end prospects, cap space or at least no bad contracts. We are the opposite.

I fully expect it to get worse, just wait for the day when we trade some combo of mkg/monk/frank/cody for some fringe starter vet.

[BigSlam]

I'm so confused.

I thought we only sucked because we were called the Bobcats and our colours were orange, blue and white.

I thought once we changed back to being called the Hornets and our colours were purple and teal everything was going to be better.

I just don't get it.

[fatlever]

Sadly that name change back to the Hornets is probably one of the only things that's keeping this franchise in town. I'd hate to think where the fanbase would be right now if we were still the Bobcats.

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[fatlever]

By the way I had a dream last night that we traded Kemba Walker for the number 4 pick in the draft and we had our own pick in the draft which was number 10. And we picked two players that nobody wanted.

Sadly I don't believe Kemba Walker has that kind of value at this point even though he is a great player

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