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Post#521 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:23 pm

NYG wrote:What would it take to get Spencer Dinwiddie?

Ramon Sessions and 2018 Bulls 2nd?


Your 1st rd pick is a good starting point.
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Post#522 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:04 pm

NYG wrote:What would it take to get Spencer Dinwiddie?

Ramon Sessions and 2018 Bulls 2nd?


This is beyond terrible. Dinwiddie is putting up starter numbers and is on the best contract in the NBA by far.

No chance we trade him for a worthless player and a 2nd.
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Post#523 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:05 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
NYG wrote:What would it take to get Spencer Dinwiddie?

Ramon Sessions and 2018 Bulls 2nd?


Your 1st rd pick is a good starting point.


Agreed, the Knicks don’t have anything of value to offer outside of that.
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Post#524 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:15 pm

What do you guys think about something like this:

Carroll+Harris

For

Asik, 2018 top 10 protected 1st, 2020 2nd and a minimum deal to make the salaries match

This deal gives us a second 1st rounder this year, a 2nd rounder in 2020 which we don’t currently have and about 5 mill in cap space this offseason.

NO gets 2 starting wings to space the floor for their big men.
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Post#525 » by Trader_Joe » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:30 pm

Am I reading this right..
DMC and some stuff for Davis?
No to Klay if it costs LeVert or RHJ?
Our pick will be outside the top 10 since other teams are tanking and we're not? (How many years have we said this now?)

Maybe we should stick to realistic moves like Joe Harris for a couple 2nds or cutting Acy to sign a d.league player.
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Post#526 » by Trader_Joe » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:35 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
NYG wrote:What would it take to get Spencer Dinwiddie?

Ramon Sessions and 2018 Bulls 2nd?


This is beyond terrible. Dinwiddie is putting up starter numbers and is on the best contract in the NBA by far.

No chance we trade him for a worthless player and a 2nd.

Are we not counting rookie contracts for some reason? Especially those early on that you can keep for 8 years or so?

Simmons
Tatum
Kuzma
D.Mitchell
Etc...

We have Dinwiddie one more year before he is unrestricted.
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Post#527 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:38 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
NYG wrote:What would it take to get Spencer Dinwiddie?

Ramon Sessions and 2018 Bulls 2nd?


This is beyond terrible. Dinwiddie is putting up starter numbers and is on the best contract in the NBA by far.

No chance we trade him for a worthless player and a 2nd.

Are we not counting rookie contracts for some reason? Especially those early on that you can keep for 8 years or so?

Simmons
Tatum
Kuzma
D.Mitchell
Etc...

We have Dinwiddie one more year before he is unrestricted.


Why would we count rookie contracts? Their salaries are dictated by where they were picked and have nothing to do with their predicted on court value unlike FA. Every single 1st rounder is controlled by their team for 8 years. They are clearly separate from the rest of the contracts in the NBA.

If we counted rookie deals then the best contract in the league every year would always be someone on a rookie deal and it would make the convo pointless since we would basically be asking who’s the rookie of the year.
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Post#528 » by Ror1997 » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:54 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
NYG wrote:What would it take to get Spencer Dinwiddie?

Ramon Sessions and 2018 Bulls 2nd?


This is beyond terrible. Dinwiddie is putting up starter numbers and is on the best contract in the NBA by far.

No chance we trade him for a worthless player and a 2nd.

Are we not counting rookie contracts for some reason? Especially those early on that you can keep for 8 years or so?

Simmons
Tatum
Kuzma
D.Mitchell
Etc...

We have Dinwiddie one more year before he is unrestricted.


Even so, it would be down to Kuzma and Dinwiddie. All those other guys make a few million.
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Post#529 » by LKIRNets » Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:37 pm

NYG wrote:What would it take to get Spencer Dinwiddie?

Ramon Sessions and 2018 Bulls 2nd?

Your 1st round pick + eat Mozgov's contract.
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Post#530 » by Keith Van Horn » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:20 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:Am I reading this right..
DMC and some stuff for Davis?

No to Klay if it costs LeVert or RHJ?
Our pick will be outside the top 10 since other teams are tanking and we're not? (How many years have we said this now?)

Maybe we should stick to realistic moves like Joe Harris for a couple 2nds or cutting Acy to sign a d.league player.

LMAO, no, you read that terribly wrong.

I had suggested DMC - who's playing very good basketball right now
+
RHJ - who has vastly improved and a few posters here think he'll turn out to be a future All Star... which I'm not sure about, but he's definitely solidified his place as a regular NBA starter
+
Joe Harris - we're not going to keep anyway but the kid will be desired by many teams
+
2018 Raptors 1st rounder that we own
+
2018 2nd rounder

To me that's a hefty package. I think it's far more than some stuff. For AD probably not enough anyway, and someone else suggested another team could probably make a way better offer anyway.

The more I think about it, it's not the Marks way to make a move like that. You're right that it'll prob be Harris for a future pick.
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Post#531 » by Claud » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:31 pm

Getting closer to the trade deadline.

Keep an eye on Joe Harris and Dinwiddie being moved since they are both at peak values. Mozgov buyout also might happen soon.

I'd love to keep both as I see them as rotation worthy at least but Joe Harris has played himself into a bigger contract than we can afford and since Lin said he's coming back next season we might have a logjam with Lin,Levert, Dlo, Din, etc...

Crabbe/mozgov contracts really put us in a bad position.
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Post#532 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:46 pm

Keith Van Horn wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Am I reading this right..
DMC and some stuff for Davis?

No to Klay if it costs LeVert or RHJ?
Our pick will be outside the top 10 since other teams are tanking and we're not? (How many years have we said this now?)

Maybe we should stick to realistic moves like Joe Harris for a couple 2nds or cutting Acy to sign a d.league player.

LMAO, no, you read that terribly wrong.

I had suggested DMC - who's playing very good basketball right now
+
RHJ - who has vastly improved and a few posters here think he'll turn out to be a future All Star... which I'm not sure about, but he's definitely solidified his place as a regular NBA starter
+
Joe Harris - we're not going to keep anyway but the kid will be desired by many teams
+
2018 Raptors 1st rounder that we own
+
2018 2nd rounder

To me that's a hefty package. I think it's far more than some stuff. For AD probably not enough anyway, and someone else suggested another team could probably make a way better offer anyway.

The more I think about it, it's not the Marks way to make a move like that. You're right that it'll prob be Harris for a future pick.


That’s nowhere near enough for AD though. IMO he’s worth 2 top 5 picks whether in the future or former picks.

Does Jaylen Brown and the Lakers/Kings pick do it? I would ask for a lot more personally.

What about Ingram and Ball? Idk I’d still make the Lakers take on Asik and send back only expirings.

Josh Jackson and the Suns unprotected 1st doesn’t do it for me either.

We can’t even come close to matching those offers.
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Post#533 » by LKIRNets » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:47 pm

Claud wrote:Getting closer to the trade deadline.

Keep an eye on Joe Harris and Dinwiddie being moved since they are both at peak values. Mozgov buyout also might happen soon.

The only way Dinwiddie is leaving is if a team takes Mozgov's contract and adds a 1st.

Joe Harris is going for a 1st guaranteed.
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Post#534 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:48 pm

LKIRNets wrote:
Claud wrote:Getting closer to the trade deadline.

Keep an eye on Joe Harris and Dinwiddie being moved since they are both at peak values. Mozgov buyout also might happen soon.

The only way Dinwiddie is leaving is if a team takes Mozgov's contract and adds a 1st.

Joe Harris is going for a 1st guaranteed.


That Dinwiddie trade would never happen.

I only see us getting a 1st for Harris if we take on salary from a win now team. Harris for Nick Young and the Warriors 1st comes to mind. Obviously we’d have to cut Nick Young or find a 3rd team that might give a second for him.

My ideal trade would be Carroll and Harris for Asik, a 1st and a 2nd.

I have no idea what we could get for Dinwiddie, but I don’t think he’s enough to offset Mozgov by himself.
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Post#535 » by LKIRNets » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:59 pm

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LKIRNets wrote:
Claud wrote:Getting closer to the trade deadline.

Keep an eye on Joe Harris and Dinwiddie being moved since they are both at peak values. Mozgov buyout also might happen soon.

The only way Dinwiddie is leaving is if a team takes Mozgov's contract and adds a 1st.

Joe Harris is going for a 1st guaranteed.


That Dinwiddie trade would never happen.

I only see us getting a 1st for Harris if we take on salary from a win now team.

My ideal trade would be Carroll and Harris for Asik, a 1st and a 2nd.

I have no idea what we could get for Dinwiddie, but I don’t think he’s enough to offset Mozgov by himself.

Harris is extremely wanted by GMs in the playoff race.

A team like Houston via Daryl Morey's mindset of the Rockets being good from 3 but could improve from the SG/SF offensive output, OKC who's 21st in 3 pt %, Utah who has a good relationship w/ Brooklyn, Minnesota who's 19th in 3 pt %.

I don't see us taking an Asik.

Spencer Dinwiddie is 24 yrs. old and his per 36 is 17-4-8 w/ the best ast/to ratio in the NBA. If you're not taking Mozgov, you're not getting him.
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Post#536 » by Netaman » Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:07 pm

They are not trading Dinwiddie for anything short of Anthony Davis/Klay Thompson or a very good unprotected lotto pick. Just not happening. I don't even know if they'd trade him to the Cavs for our own pick back right now.

They are also not buying out Mozgov anytime soon. They have no use for immediate cap space and there is ZERO reason to extend the number of years he's on the books.

Harris is the only roster who may get dealt, with a small chance they deal Carroll though I doubt it. If someone offered a first rounder for him without any long-term salary attached they would probably have to do it, but I doubt anyone offers such a deal.

Joe Harris is going to get dealt for either a good 2nd round pick or a young player on their first contract. That's about it.
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Post#537 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:08 pm

LKIRNets wrote:
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LKIRNets wrote:The only way Dinwiddie is leaving is if a team takes Mozgov's contract and adds a 1st.

Joe Harris is going for a 1st guaranteed.


That Dinwiddie trade would never happen.

I only see us getting a 1st for Harris if we take on salary from a win now team.

My ideal trade would be Carroll and Harris for Asik, a 1st and a 2nd.

I have no idea what we could get for Dinwiddie, but I don’t think he’s enough to offset Mozgov by himself.

Harris is extremely wanted by GMs in the playoff race.

A team like Houston via Daryl Morey's mindset of the Rockets being good from 3 but could improve from the SG/SF offensive output, OKC who's 21st in 3 pt %, Utah who has a good relationship w/ Brooklyn, Minnesota who's 19th in 3 pt %.

I don't see us taking an Asik.


Rockets cant offer a 1st for him most of theirs are traded and they have much bigger targets than Joe Harris.

Utah isn’t making the playoffs and also traded their 1st rounder. They’re not gonna give one for Harris with Mitchell and Hood on the roster.

Minny would probably send us the OKC 1st if we took back Cole Aldrich. Harris isn’t worth a mid 1st by himself.

No team is going to give up a 1st for an unproven bench player on an expiring deal. That’s why it would have to involve taking on salary.

I think Asik is a golden opportunity to get 2 1sts for the same amount of cap space. NO needs shooters on the wings and that’s something we have an abundance of. Plus Asiks last year is only 3 mill guaranteed and he could be bought out or stretched in the summer.
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Post#538 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:12 pm

Netaman wrote:They are not trading Dinwiddie for anything short of Anthony Davis/Klay Thompson or a very good unprotected lotto pick. Just not happening. I don't even know if they'd trade him to the Cavs for our own pick back right now.

They are also not buying out Mozgov anytime soon. They have no use for immediate cap space and there is ZERO reason to extend the number of years he's on the books.

Harris is the only roster who may get dealt, with a small chance they deal Carroll though I doubt it. If someone offered a first rounder for him without any long-term salary attached they would probably have to do it, but I doubt anyone offers such a deal.

Joe Harris is going to get dealt for either a good 2nd round pick or a young player on their first contract. That's about it.


That Dinwiddie claim is quite the hot take. Teams don’t trade unprotected 1sts anymore.

Maybe Dinwiddie to Philly for their top 5 protected 1st? Or whatever 1st rounder they don’t send to Boston?
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Post#539 » by LKIRNets » Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:14 pm

Netaman wrote:They are not trading Dinwiddie for anything short of Anthony Davis/Klay Thompson or a very good unprotected lotto pick. Just not happening. I don't even know if they'd trade him to the Cavs for our own pick back right now.

They are also not buying out Mozgov anytime soon. They have no use for immediate cap space and there is ZERO reason to extend the number of years he's on the books.

Harris is the only roster who may get dealt, with a small chance they deal Carroll though I doubt it. If someone offered a first rounder for him without any long-term salary attached they would probably have to do it, but I doubt anyone offers such a deal.

Joe Harris is going to get dealt for either a good 2nd round pick or a young player on their first contract. That's about it.


Here's a possibility. Far fetched. But Milwaukee and Jason Kidd calls. They want Joe Harris, they'd give you DJ Wilson. Do you make that deal?
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Post#540 » by LKIRNets » Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:28 pm

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That Dinwiddie trade would never happen.

I only see us getting a 1st for Harris if we take on salary from a win now team.

My ideal trade would be Carroll and Harris for Asik, a 1st and a 2nd.

I have no idea what we could get for Dinwiddie, but I don’t think he’s enough to offset Mozgov by himself.

Harris is extremely wanted by GMs in the playoff race.

A team like Houston via Daryl Morey's mindset of the Rockets being good from 3 but could improve from the SG/SF offensive output, OKC who's 21st in 3 pt %, Utah who has a good relationship w/ Brooklyn, Minnesota who's 19th in 3 pt %.

I don't see us taking an Asik.


Rockets cant offer a 1st for him most of theirs are traded and they have much bigger targets than Joe Harris.

well then they're off the list.

Utah isn’t making the playoffs and also traded their 1st rounder. They’re not gonna give one for Harris with Mitchell and Hood on the roster.


Jazz are always in the race. As it currently stands they are 2 gms back and just got back Joe Jesus. They'd want Donovan Mitchell to experience playoff ball to develop their new culture and install a winning attitude.

Minny would probably send us the OKC 1st if we took back Cole Aldrich. Harris isn’t worth a mid 1st by himself.


You're looking at it as a Nets fan and not the other team. That's how you missed Marks getting a 1st rd. pick for Bojan.

No team is going to give up a 1st for an unproven bench player on an expiring deal. That’s why it would have to involve taking on salary.


ofcourse they would. Draft picks are possibilities. Playoff ball is experience. For every Caris Levert pick there is a Archie Goodwin or James Young.

I think Asik is a golden opportunity to get 2 1sts for the same amount of cap space. NO needs shooters on the wings and that’s something we have an abundance of. Plus Asiks last year is only 3 mill guaranteed and he could be bought out or stretched in the summer.

Asik is not taking up a space. The Pelicans aren't trading 2 1st rd picks wit Cousins being a FA this year and an injury prone Anthony Davis.

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