Trade assets - current draft picks

Post #81 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:31 pm

graymule wrote::D

Hawks, as of right now, have a full roster and young players in the G League. They also have many
first and second round draft picks coming in the next two or three years.

Hawks, as of right now, have too many pieces. They must be consolidated.

Agreed. Well stated.

I've been convinced that Travis will attempt to move Dennis next summer for another lottery pick. And I still think he'll try.

But I wouldn't be surprised if Travis considers combining Taurean with the Minny Pick (projected to fall between 18-23) for a chance to move up as well...if there is a player available he really likes.

TP is on the older end, but still on his rookie deal for a couple more years. Meaning he can contribute now on a team further along than us, and count minimally on their salary cap.

Teams like LA Clippers, NO Pelicans or OKC Thunder could each benefit from a cheap, young 3 & D contributor (+ a late first rounder) instead of a young draftee that won't contribute for years.

Overall, I definitely foresee Travis consolidating some of these picks in pursuit of guys he really likes.

Spud2nique · Post #82 » by **Spud2nique** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:40 pm

I think a team like the Spurs is going to be in need of a Marco type pretty badly...then again I can't see smart franchises giving us a first for Belli...but a team like OKC, that has to make the playoffs and contend because they are all in, might give us a first ...it's possible.

Also, if we draft Ayton or Bagley or Doncic, I don't think there's any way they don't start or play significant minutes right away...specially Luka..he's been playing with the big boys for years.

Spud2nique · Post #83 » by **Spud2nique** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:43 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
graymule wrote::D

Hawks, as of right now, have a full roster and young players in the G League. They also have many
first and second round draft picks coming in the next two or three years.

Hawks, as of right now, have too many pieces. They must be consolidated.

Agreed. Well stated.

I've been convinced that Travis will attempt to move Dennis next summer for another lottery pick. And I still think he'll try.

But I wouldn't be surprised if Travis considers combining Taurean with the Minny Pick (projected to fall between 18-23) for a chance to move up as well...if there is a player available he really likes.

TP is on the older end, but still on his rookie deal for a couple more years. Meaning he can contribute now on a team further along than us, and count minimally on their salary cap.

Teams like LA Clippers, NO Pelicans or OKC Thunder could each benefit from a cheap, young 3 & D contributor (+ a late first rounder) instead of a young draftee that won't contribute for years.

Overall, I definitely foresee Travis consolidating some of these picks in pursuit of guys he really likes.

For me personally...trading Prince to move up even 10 spots isn't worth it. Prince strikes me as a player we might not want to trade at all. He would fit in with any ball club that we build moving forward. It's hard to find a guy like him in my opinion. He's a pitbull.

Post #84 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:02 pm

Spud2nique wrote:For me personally...trading Prince to move up even 10 spots isn't worth it. Prince strikes me as a player we might not want to trade at all. He would fit in with any ball club that we build moving forward. It's hard to find a guy like him in my opinion. He's a pitbull.

100% agree. He pairs well with any type of prospect, in (almost) any type of offense.

That will make him attractive to other teams as well as our own coaching staff moving forward.

NOTE: I'd be very okay if we kept him long term.

jayu70 · Post #85 » by **jayu70** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:16 pm

Spud2nique wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
graymule wrote::D

Hawks, as of right now, have a full roster and young players in the G League. They also have many
first and second round draft picks coming in the next two or three years.

Hawks, as of right now, have too many pieces. They must be consolidated.

Agreed. Well stated.

I've been convinced that Travis will attempt to move Dennis next summer for another lottery pick. And I still think he'll try.

But I wouldn't be surprised if Travis considers combining Taurean with the Minny Pick (projected to fall between 18-23) for a chance to move up as well...if there is a player available he really likes.

TP is on the older end, but still on his rookie deal for a couple more years. Meaning he can contribute now on a team further along than us, and count minimally on their salary cap.

Teams like LA Clippers, NO Pelicans or OKC Thunder could each benefit from a cheap, young 3 & D contributor (+ a late first rounder) instead of a young draftee that won't contribute for years.

Overall, I definitely foresee Travis consolidating some of these picks in pursuit of guys he really likes.

For me personally...trading Prince to move up even 10 spots isn't worth it. Prince strikes me as a player we might not want to trade at all. He would fit in with any ball club that we build moving forward. It's hard to find a guy like him in my opinion. He's a pitbull.

SFs like Prince are hard to come by - size, athleticism, defense, 3 point shooting, rebounding - all he needs is consistency and a handle.

Post #86 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Dec 6, 2017 8:35 pm

macd-gm wrote:...will either guy want to stay around? Dedmon is playing into a contract for sure from somebody.

Dedmon is currently on a two-year, $14 million contract with a player option in the second year...

"He could easily double that salary," a Western Conference personnel executive said. "With all that TV money still going around and his skill set, and even as a five-year guy, he has fewer miles on him than most guys who are in his age range or even younger. The way he’s adapting his game could be big for a playoff type team. He’s an attractive piece for a team looking for some extra scoring and defense. He’s also a good locker room guy, so that’s another positive."

Sporting News

Trade him. He's trade eligible on Dec 15th.

Get that value back up and move him to the highest bidder.

LamarHampton · Post #87 » by **LamarHampton** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 2:31 am

^ 100% agree. Hawks have messed up too much holding onto guys in the past. Like Dedmon a lot but if we can get something for him, do it. He is opting out after this season anyway. Same for Bellinelli. Would love getting a first for each, and maaaaybe possible. That would be a major win for us. Major.

Post #88 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:20 pm

Draft pick update:

As of 12/11 we now sit in position to have a top-4 pick, #22 from Minnesota, #30 from Houston and our own #32.

That's...solid.

Ilyasova seems healthy and his trade value is improving as well. (Conditional second rounder from 2021, anyone?)

Read on Twitter

Post #89 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Jan 2, 2018 1:22 pm

Read on Twitter

Houston has hit a bit of a skid right now. Losing 5 of their last ten games before losing Harden to injury.

As it stands today, Hawks are in line for a top 4 pick, #24 from Minny, #28(!) from Houtson and #31...

A decent collection. But I have to think Schlenk would consider moving the middle two picks to move up for a higher selection.

tbhawksfan1 · Post #90 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Tue Jan 2, 2018 2:24 pm

PLus Dedmon who will likely opt out looking for a payday. Should move him and Beli and Illya. This should be a historic Hawks draft. I'm very optimistic that TS and Bud can bring in very quality picks with these draft riches

Spud2nique · Post #91 » by **Spud2nique** » Tue Jan 2, 2018 5:06 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:

Read on Twitter

Houston has hit a bit of a skid right now. Losing 5 of their last ten games before losing Harden to injury.

As it stands today, Hawks are in line for a top 4 pick, #24 from Minny, #28(!) from Houtson and #31...

A decent collection. But I have to think Schlenk would consider moving the middle two picks to move up for a higher selection.

I'd move the Rox, Minny and the 31st (where's that from? the Wiz?) to get another pick between 8-14....

With our own pick ..one of Doncic Bagley Ayton

And with the 8-14, one of the Bridges boys...I'm in love with both. Last year for me it was the boys from Africa in OG and Semi...this year it has to be the Bridges boys...

This might sound crazy but if you were to tell me we could be the Bridges boys my trading all of our picks I might be in for that.

We would have the Bridges boys...our own version of the Davis boys in Indiana in the 90's.

It's early but I think these Bridges kids are gonna be the steals of the draft of 2018... you heard it here first...

And yes it would create a logjam with Prince and Bembry but positionless bball right?

Post #92 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Jan 2, 2018 5:31 pm

Spud2nique wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:As it stands today, Hawks are in line for a top 4 pick, #24 from Minny, #28(!) from Houtson and #31...

A decent collection. But I have to think Schlenk would consider moving the middle two picks to move up for a higher selection.

I'd move the Rox, Minny and the 31st (where's that from? the Wiz?) to get another pick between 8-14....

With our own pick ..one of Doncic Bagley Ayton

And with the 8-14, one of the Bridges boys...I'm in love with both. Last year for me it was the boys from Africa in OG and Semi...this year it has to be the Bridges boys...

This might sound crazy but if you were to tell me we could be the Bridges boys my trading all of our picks I might be in for that.

We would have the Bridges boys...our own version of the Davis boys in Indiana in the 90's.

It's early but I think these Bridges kids are gonna be the steals of the draft of 2018... you heard it here first...

And yes it would create a logjam with Prince and Bembry but positionless bball right?

I like the way you think, Spud!!!

I also am a fan of both Bridges kids. Don't know if they'd all fit here, but it'd be an embarrassment of riches on the wings. (Though I do fear they're both set to become elite role players ala Avery Bradley/Khris Middleton/Ibaka)

If we don't get #1 and Ayton, I'd be okay with maneuvering to end up with two picks between 6-14 instead. That's where GSW found Klay and Steph!!!

NOTE: #31 is our second round pick in this draft. Slated to be the first selection in that second round.

Spud2nique · Post #93 » by **Spud2nique** » Tue Jan 2, 2018 5:44 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:As it stands today, Hawks are in line for a top 4 pick, #24 from Minny, #28(!) from Houtson and #31...

A decent collection. But I have to think Schlenk would consider moving the middle two picks to move up for a higher selection.

I'd move the Rox, Minny and the 31st (where's that from? the Wiz?) to get another pick between 8-14....

With our own pick ..one of Doncic Bagley Ayton

And with the 8-14, one of the Bridges boys...I'm in love with both. Last year for me it was the boys from Africa in OG and Semi...this year it has to be the Bridges boys...

This might sound crazy but if you were to tell me we could be the Bridges boys my trading all of our picks I might be in for that.

We would have the Bridges boys...our own version of the Davis boys in Indiana in the 90's.

It's early but I think these Bridges kids are gonna be the steals of the draft of 2018... you heard it here first...

And yes it would create a logjam with Prince and Bembry but positionless bball right?

I like the way you think, Spud!!!

I also am a fan of both Bridges kids. Don't know if they'd all fit here, but it'd be an embarrassment of riches on the wings. (Though I do fear they're both set to become elite role players ala Avery Bradley/Khris Middleton/Ibaka)

If we don't get #1 and Ayton, I'd be okay with maneuvering to end up with two picks between 6-14 instead. That's where GSW found Klay and Steph!!!

NOTE: #31 is our second round pick in this draft. Slated to be the first selection in that second round.

Ya it crazy to think how we were in search of a wing so desperately the last few years when we had our Horford/Sap tandem solidified...now, like you said an embarrassment of riches on the wings to be sure.

I liken Mikal to a poor man's Scottie Pippen...fast twitch muscle fibers on this kid are nutty. He's definitely got an NBA wing body, almost perfect in height and will add muscle as he matures. He has a ton of court awareness as well. He steals, blocks, and plays both sides of the ball and his 3 point shooting and outside shooting and efficiency are excellent. I don't want to miss on this kid. Trade down if you need to Schlenk...He's gonna shoot up the draft board when the process begins.

As far as Miles, I see him as a Bull in a China shop. The guy is able to do that in college, but I also think he will be a bully in the league with that frame...he reminds me of a more nimble Larry Johnson of the Hornets...he's a monster on the boards for his size and can take an opponent inside or out. The fact that he's coached by Izzo is a huge bonus...he's gonna come into the league prepared and ready to roll. Top 10 pick when it's all said and done.

And yes, Steph was at 7 in the 2009 as well as Klay going 11th in 2011....I think.

Post #94 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Jan 2, 2018 5:55 pm

Spud2nique wrote:I liken Mikal to a poor man's Scottie Pippen...

He steals, blocks, and plays both sides of the ball and his 3 point shooting and outside shooting and efficiency are excellent. I don't want to miss on this kid.

Now THAT is high praise.

Spud2nique wrote:As far as Miles, I see him as a Bull in a China shop. The guy is able to do that in college, but I also think he will be a bully in the league with that frame...he reminds me of a more nimble Larry Johnson of the Hornets...he's a monster on the boards for his size and can take an opponent inside or out.

100% agree. We could use a guy like that around here.

jayu70 · Post #95 » by **jayu70** » Tue Jan 2, 2018 6:02 pm

Spud2nique wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:

Read on Twitter

Houston has hit a bit of a skid right now. Losing 5 of their last ten games before losing Harden to injury.

As it stands today, Hawks are in line for a top 4 pick, #24 from Minny, #28(!) from Houtson and #31...

A decent collection. But I have to think Schlenk would consider moving the middle two picks to move up for a higher selection.

I'd move the Rox, Minny and the 31st (where's that from? the Wiz?) to get another pick between 8-14....

With our own pick ..one of Doncic Bagley Ayton

And with the 8-14, one of the Bridges boys...I'm in love with both. Last year for me it was the boys from Africa in OG and Semi...this year it has to be the Bridges boys...

This might sound crazy but if you were to tell me we could be the Bridges boys my trading all of our picks I might be in for that.

We would have the Bridges boys...our own version of the Davis boys in Indiana in the 90's.

It's early but I think these Bridges kids are gonna be the steals of the draft of 2018... you heard it here first...

And yes it would create a logjam with Prince and Bembry but positionless bball right?

I posted a thought in the Trade Thread about what we may be able to accomplish by combining our picks by looking back at what occured with other teams in 2016 and 2017.

Post#1393 » by jayu70 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:39 am

Ideally, I would prefer a trade to a team that is currently in the 5-8 seed in either conference so the pick is actually better.
Trading with GSW will have us with the following picks:
#1 - our own
#24 from Minny
#29 from Houston (now currently #28)
#30 from GSW
#31 our own.

How best to use these picks. I don't think we keep them all as is or there'll be a couple draft and stashes since it's doubtful we have that much low end picks on our roster at one time. We will probably trade one for a future 1st or combine them to move up.

How can we combine them to move up in the draft? Let's take a look back.
In 2016:
Pels traded #39 and #40 to move up 6 spots to #33.
Suns traded #13 and #28, 2020 2nd and Bogdan Bogdanovic to move up 5 spots to #8.

In 2017:
Blazers traded #15 and #20 to move up 5 spots to #10.
Jazz traded #24 and Trey Lyles to move up 11 spots to #13.

Can the Haws do something like #24 and #31 to move to #18?
What(picks)/who(player) can we combine with pick #24 to move into the 10-14 lottery range?

Spud2nique · Post #96 » by **Spud2nique** » Tue Jan 2, 2018 6:07 pm

We need a Blazers/Kings trade like Bird pointed out...package 15th/20th to get 10th..something like that but with 30th and 24th to move up to 17? I'd rather 2 solid rotation guys than drafting 4 first round picks that are wild cards.

jayu70 · Post #97 » by **jayu70** » Tue Jan 2, 2018 6:11 pm

Spud2nique wrote:We need a Blazers/Kings trade like Bird pointed out...package 15th/20th to get 10th..something like that but with 30th and 24th to move up to 17? I'd rather 2 solid rotation guys than drafting 4 first round picks that are wild cards.

I'd prefer to do that or we'll end up with a lot of draft and stashes ala Boston in 2015 when the couldn't combine their picks and move up. If we can't move up, the option is also to trade for future 1sts, or trade back for a future asset as well. - we have options and flexibility so that's good.

Post #98 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Jan 3, 2018 4:31 pm

An official draft pick tracker:

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jayu70 · Post #99 » by **jayu70** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:03 am

Hawks draftee Isaia Cordinier will undergo surgery on both knees to solve a tendinitis problem, as he told to @lequipe . Cordinier is expected to miss 4-9 months of action. #NBA

— Orazio Cauchi (@paxer89) January 11, 2018

Wow, both knees. Feel for the kid.

DusterBuster · Post #100 » by **DusterBuster** » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:45 am

What’s the Hawks plan with Bazemore?

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