The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

[coolhandluke121]

Now if they start him and move Khris to sg, god help us. That would be appalling. There would hardly be a team in NBA history with a greater discrepancy between actual on-court play vs. theoretical on-paper value.

Outside of this year's OKC...

I don't know. Melo is not a good player at all anymore and PG hasn't been the same since the leg injury. He's a pretty offense-oriented player at this point, though a lot of people still give him credit for the defense he used to play. I didn't think they would be much better than they are.

But yeah, they come to mind. So do the Rockets with Pippen, Dream, and Charles. Odom, Brand, Maggette, Miller, and Olowokandi (halfway decent in his contract year) were a joke. The Nuggets with Melo, Camby, Iverson, J.R. Smith, Kenyon Martin, and Nene went 1-9 in the playoffs. I think the Mavs with Dirk, Finley, Nash, Jamison, and Antoine Walker might take the cake.

All those teams had huge issues with spacing, defense, ego, diminishing returns from having more capable scorers than necessary, and/or professionalism, and usually a combination of those things. The Bucks with Bledsoe, Jabari, Giannis, Henson, and Khris in the starting lineup would have hints of all those things.

[msiris]

PG hasn't been the same since the leg injury. He's a pretty offense-oriented player at this point, though a lot of people still give him credit for the defense he used to play. I didn't think they would be much better than they are.

I think funny because you are describing Middleton.

[DingleJerry]

So thoughts on a Giannis, Jabari, KM, Brog, Bledsoe closing lineup then?

[M-C-G]

So thoughts on a Giannis, Jabari, KM, Brog, Bledsoe closing lineup then?

I'll wait to see what type of player Jabari comes back like. I think we are going to see him as a bit more of a shooter than a driver.

[mke_design]

So thoughts on a Giannis, Jabari, KM, Brog, Bledsoe closing lineup then?

I'll wait to see what type of player Jabari comes back like. I think we are going to see him as a bit more of a shooter than a driver.

So would you be willing to pay him once he presumably lights it up?


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[M-C-G]

So thoughts on a Giannis, Jabari, KM, Brog, Bledsoe closing lineup then?

I'll wait to see what type of player Jabari comes back like. I think we are going to see him as a bit more of a shooter than a driver.

So would you be willing to pay him once he presumably lights it up?


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There isn't much point getting too deep in conversation with me on Jabari. I would pay him because I believe he is our best chance at a #2 star, be it through his play or through trade in the future.

Middleton is the guy I would move after his next 30 point game. He has good trade value, but his performances and effort are far to volatile for my liking. Plus I'd move forward with a much faster pace team with Bledsoe, Jabari and Giannis. The fact we have to wait for 7 seconds after every made basket to see who is going to inbound drives me **** nuts (that's not a dig against any player, just pisses me off in general)

[leroyjw10]

The fact we have to wait for 7 seconds after every made basket to see who is going to inbound drives me **** nuts (that's not a dig against any player, just pisses me off in general)

I'm also annoyed with how routinely Henson refuses to be the inbounder, like he's too good for it. He typically just walks away, often leaving Giannis to inbound the ball. Giannis needs to save energy wherever he can. Unless there's some lame team rule, there's no reason Henson's lazy a** can't just take a few extra steps to inbound the ball.

[mke_design]

I'll wait to see what type of player Jabari comes back like. I think we are going to see him as a bit more of a shooter than a driver.

So would you be willing to pay him once he presumably lights it up?


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There isn't much point getting too deep in conversation with me on Jabari. I would pay him because I believe he is our best chance at a #2 star, be it through his play or through trade in the future.

Middleton is the guy I would move after his next 30 point game. He has good trade value, but his performances and effort are far to volatile for my liking. Plus I'd move forward with a much faster pace team with Bledsoe, Jabari and Giannis. The fact we have to wait for 7 seconds after every made basket to see who is going to inbound drives me **** nuts (that's not a dig against any player, just pisses me off in general)

I agree, I think I’m ready to kash out on Middleton. Parker has the actual ability to be a number 2, so long as his health remains. Oh god please just say healthy!


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[M-C-G]

I'm also annoyed with how routinely Henson refuses to be the inbounder, like he's too good for it. He typically just walks away, often leaving Giannis to inbound the ball. Giannis needs to save energy wherever he can. Unless there's some lame team rule, there's no reason Henson's lazy a** can't just take a few extra steps to inbound the ball.

It should be simple as hell, the first person that can get to the ball, pick it up and get it into a player, safely and let's **** go.

Instead we constantly let the other team walk comfortably down the court and get set while we are waiting for the "right" person to come back from the three point line, get the ball from the ref and then inbound. I'll go back to the Wizards two years ago, Wall was a F*ing nightmare after every make speeding the ball up the court, there is no reason we should not do the same and probe, and then we can get into our ****, stagnant, stale offense with someone pounding the air out of the ball.

[Fresh_Prince12]

1 thing for sure is Parker will definitely help out in resting Giannis and Middleton. He should be able to shave off 5 min each.

[coolhandluke121]

So thoughts on a Giannis, Jabari, KM, Brog, Bledsoe closing lineup then?

One thing about some of the smallball lineups that have worked really well is that they have players who do whatever it takes to help the team win and bring great intangibles. There's nobody in this lineup who really jumps out at you as the quintessential glue guy like Horford or Draymond, who are some of the best in the game at setting screens, boxing out, and spacing the floor from the 5. Just throwing all your most talented players together in a smallball lineup doesn't necessarily work just because they have the size to hold their own at their non-preferred position.

[coolhandluke121]

PG hasn't been the same since the leg injury. He's a pretty offense-oriented player at this point, though a lot of people still give him credit for the defense he used to play. I didn't think they would be much better than they are.

I think funny because you are describing Middleton.

I definitely realize that. One of the main reasons I think starting Jabari, Giannis, Khris, Bledsoe, and Henson would be a colossal disappointment relative to their talent level.

[DingleJerry]

So thoughts on a Giannis, Jabari, KM, Brog, Bledsoe closing lineup then?

One thing about some of the smallball lineups that have worked really well is that they have players who do whatever it takes to help the team win and bring great intangibles. There's nobody in this lineup who really jumps out at you as the quintessential glue guy like Horford or Draymond, who are some of the best in the game at setting screens, boxing out, and spacing the floor from the 5. Just throwing all your most talented players together in a smallball lineup doesn't necessarily work just because they have the size to hold their own at their non-preferred position.

Yea I think it will still come out ahead or as a 'plus' lineup just because they should be able to outscore anyone if they actually run fast pace. But I'm skeptical if it will be a big time plus with a huge +/- in the realm of the GSW lineup due to the toughness/rebounding type issues you mention. Khris is seemingly losing his intangible stuff he used to do and is getting assaulted when playing the 4 now. Those areas have never been a strength of Jabari in the past of course either but hopefully he improves in those areas. It just seems the upper tier players on the team are allergic to actually physically boxing out, Giannis included. So some simple coaching/emphasis maybe could help enough to make this a good option going forward. I mean, you have to try it, especially with how bad our current 5s are.

Sure, Giannis can do all that stuff but it's just too much to ask for him. And so far when he does play the 5 now he hasn't done great at it, will often get switched out away from the hoop and when shots go up just say out there rather than remembering he's essential for rebound since everyone else is so small. I don't blame him, he plays the most mins and can only do so much. I think there's some coaching along with just gaining experience to get done to make him a better small ball 5, he of course has all the tools for it.

[Brewhoopfan]

I'm also annoyed with how routinely Henson refuses to be the inbounder, like he's too good for it. He typically just walks away, often leaving Giannis to inbound the ball. Giannis needs to save energy wherever he can. Unless there's some lame team rule, there's no reason Henson's lazy a** can't just take a few extra steps to inbound the ball.

It should be simple as hell, the first person that can get to the ball, pick it up and get it into a player, safely and let's **** go.

Instead we constantly let the other team walk comfortably down the court and get set while we are waiting for the "right" person to come back from the three point line, get the ball from the ref and then inbound. I'll go back to the Wizards two years ago, Wall was a F*ing nightmare after every make speeding the ball up the court, there is no reason we should not do the same and probe, and then we can get into our ****, stagnant, stale offense with someone pounding the air out of the ball.

Maybe it's just me, but it seemed like this was happening immediately after Bledsoe joined the team. His energy seems to have fallen off a bit on both ends.

[msiris]

PG hasn't been the same since the leg injury. He's a pretty offense-oriented player at this point, though a lot of people still give him credit for the defense he used to play. I didn't think they would be much better than they are.

I think funny because you are describing Middleton.

I definitely realize that. One of the main reasons I think starting Jabari, Giannis, Khris, Bledsoe, and Henson would be a colossal disappointment relative to their talent level.

Agree with you 100 percent. Khris and Parker on the floor at the same time would not work.

[M-C-G]

I think funny because you are describing Middleton.

I definitely realize that. One of the main reasons I think starting Jabari, Giannis, Khris, Bledsoe, and Henson would be a colossal disappointment relative to their talent level.

Agree with you 100 percent. Khris and Parker on the floor at the same time would not work.

A theoretical Khris and Jabari PnR should work just fine, Khris is the one guy that can kind of, sort of, throw an ally oops or pass to a roll man.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

I agree, I think I’m ready to kash out on Middleton. Parker has the actual ability to be a number 2, so long as his health remains. Oh god please just say healthy!

if i see another middleton iso back-down fade-away 17 footer i think i'm gonna pull my hair out.

unless this coaching staff, or another coaching staff, takes his ability to create away from him....and convince him that he should never again run his one-man iso offense, i'm so over it.....and his bad shots, and ball-handling. he's a nice player, but not great...not even close to an all-star that some make him out to be.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

give me jabari with two bad knees over Middleton on his next contract.

could probably replace Khris' production with Sterling Brown by the time Middleton's contract is up.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

the only thing middleton is above average at, is fouling a guy so he can argue with officials how he was fouled on the other end

[yannisk]

I'm also annoyed with how routinely Henson refuses to be the inbounder, like he's too good for it. He typically just walks away, often leaving Giannis to inbound the ball. Giannis needs to save energy wherever he can. Unless there's some lame team rule, there's no reason Henson's lazy a** can't just take a few extra steps to inbound the ball.

and I thought I was the only one getting annoyed with this thing