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Post#1781 » by Bernman » Fri Jan 5, 2018 8:40 pm

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HaroldinGMinor wrote:Apologies in advance to whomever I offend, but I find it funny that THIS is the thing that puts you over the edge. Not the 1/4 billion in public funds. It's the fact that you have to walk on the sidewalk to the arena and other people don't have to.

I wasn't too cool with that either.


I complained about that too then, and it was met with resistance (by some of the same people, so they are red herrings), like we should just capitulate. It warranted more like around 100m in public funds instead of 250m. But they played their cards, some strong (fear the team may move eventually), some weak (that it could happen if the arena weren't built by 2017, even public/public private funding, the fact they'd have to rebuy at a much higher sum if they'd even win the bid if the team were moved), and the public + some of the probably bought politicians relented. This just pours salt in the wounds that they are going to now use much of that public money to serve the corporate class.

But we can by all means rehash just how manipulative their tactics were during the funding process also. They rely on people having short memories and not holding them to account for major past transgressions.
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Post#1782 » by Gianstoppable » Fri Jan 5, 2018 8:42 pm

Black_Dragon wrote:Giannisstoppable- was the skywalk thing confirmed by Alex Lasry? Or are we still basing it off that article?


Ive tweeted Alex twice and no response. We have tweeted back and forth before with no issues, I think hes avoiding this one even though its old news. It's really not that big of a deal but the way they pimped it when talking about the arena construction made it seem like anyone who used the overpriced parking ramp would be able to use the skywalk as a perk. I understand giving Suite holders and Club level holders this perk but I thought AT LEAST season ticket holders would be allowed in. Oh well.
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Post#1783 » by Nowak008 » Fri Jan 5, 2018 9:07 pm

midranger wrote:How does the old saying go?

Publicize the costs, privatize the skywalks?


:rofl:

To be fair, Herb Kohl only gave the owners a 100 million. If it had been 200 million, I am sure the public would have only had to pay an extra $5 to cross the skywalk.
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Post#1784 » by worthlessBucks » Fri Jan 5, 2018 11:12 pm

It is damn cold outside, praise be the skywalk. I was in downtown Minneapolis a month ago, pure genius putting those things all over.
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Post#1785 » by Gianstoppable » Fri Jan 5, 2018 11:14 pm

worthlessBucks wrote:It is damn cold outside, praise be the skywalk. I was in downtown Minneapolis a month ago, pure genius putting those things all over.

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Post#1786 » by BUCKnation » Sat Jan 6, 2018 12:27 am

Yeah, that is such a good set up between the Target Center and Target Field.
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Post#1787 » by kid idioteque » Sat Jan 6, 2018 1:41 am

I'd guess there are more skywalks to come. When the restaurants, stores, et cetera come in.
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Post#1788 » by midranger » Sat Jan 6, 2018 2:08 am

kid idioteque wrote:I'd guess there are more skywalks to come. When the restaurants, stores, et cetera come in.

Pretty sure the owners nixed the second level of the additional development (i.e. the project they were going to pay for). So.... probably not.
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Post#1789 » by trwi7 » Sat Jan 6, 2018 2:10 am

If there are more skywalks to come, they would've been in the original plan. Why would you start tearing down walls to put in more skywalks?
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Post#1790 » by Thunder Muscle » Sat Jan 6, 2018 2:47 am

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MickeyDavis wrote:Renewals among current season ticket holders has been less than expected. It will be a tough sell until people can get inside and see where the actual seats are they are interested in buying. Attendance will be good next year while the place has the new car smell. Miller Park drew well despite a crappy team. Initially.


I think the season after will lose a lot more long time STH as well, Its got to be tough to overcome the bargain prices and sell the price increase. I know a lot that really wanted to say no thanks, but can't walk away from that first year. I'm in that group for sure, I'll stay for one for sure but after that I don't know. I have really missed the Kohl special scheduling coming from out of town, less Saturday games means more weekday traffic commutes and less enjoying Milwaukee for the day on a Saturday and heading to the game after.


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Post#1791 » by HaroldinGMinor » Sat Jan 6, 2018 2:52 am

trwi7 wrote:If there are more skywalks to come, they would've been in the original plan. Why would you start tearing down walls to put in more skywalks?



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Post#1793 » by midranger » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:45 pm

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They'll probably do a lakers thing and turn down the lights. You'll never notice the no shows on TV this way.
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Post#1794 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:55 pm

They've wanted to do the Knicks/Lakers type lighting in the past and the NBA has said no, it violates "rules". Players like it. But only NY and LA can do it for some reason.
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Post#1795 » by humanrefutation » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:29 pm

Wow, just catching up on that skywalk business. That's pure garbage from the Bucks. They should get raked over the coals for that.
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Post#1796 » by paulpressey25 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:16 pm

humanrefutation wrote:Wow, just catching up on that skywalk business. That's pure garbage from the Bucks. They should get raked over the coals for that.


Agreed. And in reading the comments above on the public-private nature of this, I don't believe you need to work at "polar extremes" (i.e. no public funding for the arena or have the government own it all) of logic like we unfortunately do on too many issues these days.

Every few years I'll reference that Supreme Court Justice Powell quote about "I'll know obscenity when I see it". Nothing wrong with a 50-50 partnership on the arena. That said if the City is building a large parking garage for it, everyone should be able to use the skywalk.
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Post#1797 » by humanrefutation » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:38 pm

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humanrefutation wrote:Wow, just catching up on that skywalk business. That's pure garbage from the Bucks. They should get raked over the coals for that.


Agreed. And in reading the comments above on the public-private nature of this, I don't believe you need to work at "polar extremes" (i.e. no public funding for the arena or have the government own it all) of logic like we unfortunately do on too many issues these days.

Every few years I'll reference that Supreme Court Justice Powell quote about "I'll know obscenity when I see it". Nothing wrong with a 50-50 partnership on the arena. That said if the City is building a large parking garage for it, everyone should be able to use the skywalk.


I strongly disagreed on using public funds for the arena, as you know. My mind has not changed on that, even as I feel personally relieved that the Bucks are staying, and excited to check out their new home. One of the reasons for my opposition is my fear that the public would pay hundreds of millions towards a facility without having a voice in how it's operated.

But the Wisconsin Center District, as a government body which owns the new arena, should be able to step in and direct the Bucks to provide public access to the skywalk. You don't get to get the benefit of having the taxpayers build it for you without granting those taxpayers the right to use it. It should be open to anyone who parks in the garage. That won't add a huge burden - I mean, if I'm not parking in the garage, it probably wouldn't make sense for me to use the skywalk anyway as it'd be quicker to walk across the street myself. But it could make a big difference for those thousands of fans using the parking structure on a nightly basis.
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Post#1798 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:11 pm

Agreed. Once inside the arena having different perks/amenities based on your ticket cost is fine. It's normal. It's done at the BC. But in this case if ALL ticket holders have access to the parking garage then ALL ticket holders should have access to the skywalk.
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Post#1799 » by paulpressey25 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:20 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Agreed. Once inside the arena having different perks/amenities based on your ticket cost is fine. It's normal. It's done at the BC. But in this case if ALL ticket holders have access to the parking garage then ALL ticket holders should have access to the skywalk.


This will be a cluster if for some reason that skywalk goes only into a secured suite area and you can't have the public parking there gain access to the arena.
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Post#1800 » by crkone » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:21 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:Agreed. Once inside the arena having different perks/amenities based on your ticket cost is fine. It's normal. It's done at the BC. But in this case if ALL ticket holders have access to the parking garage then ALL ticket holders should have access to the skywalk.


This will be a cluster if for some reason that skywalk goes only into a secured suite area and you can't have the public parking there gain access to the arena.


Is there a club level only parking level?

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