Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4

[Djedefre]

I think if there was anytime to use a future pick of our own to move up in the draft I would do it this year. I don't see us in the lottery much longer.

Then i don't know what to say to you.

You've seen the game against Rockets, it's so obvious that we're incompetent, even against the team that's having not so good streak lately and missing it's star (mvp level) player. On top of that (for like 10000th time), we played one of the easiest schedules in the league, and are still just 4.5 games behind the worst team in the league.

We can see some progress from the majority of our youngsters , there's no denying that and it thrills me for sure, but let's just not get ahead of ourselves. We still lack elite coaching, shooting, defensive culture etc. We may not be the very bottom of this league, but certainly not a PO team, which you're suggesting with the second sentence.

That's not to say we won't have the need to use our assets and trade up, we very well may have to do so in order to get unique prospects such as Young/Bamba/Ayton/Doncic/Porter or do a trade for a disgruntled player or a star from an imploding team if the opportunity strikes.

[NavLDO]

But here's a novel idea, we use the 3 picks and 2 players, which are 5 assets, and attempt to turn them into a starting Center and a starting PG within the next 8 months. Then we can have starter-level players at ALL of our positions, instead of only 3, with the 4th being manned by a 35 YO with no future, and the other being manned by a 5'10" PG who gets destroyed on a nightly basis.

In other words you are saying dont worry about developing a young core of promising talent (like the 76ers or like Warriors did with Green, Curry and Thompson) but lets try to throw some of those assets to pick up a couple players that can come in and push us into the playoffs so we can tread water there and hope that what we have now is enough to keep us in the playoffs? The problem your view that we pick morris was that the idea was always just to get back into the playoffs. I want a real plan that will develop a championship team not another also ran team that is going to wash out in the first round of the playoffs. I look at the 76ers and Boston as patterns that we should follow of collecting assests and building around them without trying to rush.

No, but nice try to put words in my mouth. What I'm saying is, why don't we attempt to actually develop the talent we do have by bringing in ACTUAL, REAL talent for our selected future core to play with that will help us win games, so they can learn how to WIN instead of continuing to just learn how to LOSE. I'm not sure how how the 'tank brigade' here can possibly believe that it's healthy and positive to continue to have young talent flail about without learning how to win.

Are you honestly trying to tell me that having both Chriss and Bender, two 20 YO PFs (and no, Bender is not, will never be, and SHOULD never be, a Center, with his range, and Chriss just is not big enough), is going to work out well, AND, that this is a wise utilization example of a #4 and #8 overall selections?? Do you think they both will be able to develop to their maximum capability in the current structure of our team?

How about Warren and JJ? Warren is our starter; no debate there. He's earned it. Yet, here we have another, #4 overall selection getting 22 MPG, who happens to play in the same position as Warren? "Well, just start JJ over Warren!" Great idea! What happens to Warren's attitude when we do that? "I don;t care, he's a professional earning millions of dollars...suck it up!" Also a great answer; too bad that's not how it works. They have feelings just like you or I. How would you feel, if you were doing your job, doing it well, and after 3 years of hard work, you earned the Top Operator spot and got a nice contract. Well, then they just hired a Harvard Magna Cum Laude graduate in your field, and are training him up. After a few months, they tell you "It's not you, but he has a better pedigree; we have to give him the Top Operator spot, and all its perks...sorry. But your a professional, so suck it up, buttercup." Well, in the NBA, there's this precedent where if you act like a whiny baby, you get your way, and you can get traded to a different company, and the best part is, the company you're leaving gets screwed on the return, in most cases, because you're acting like a baby. But if your company is smart, they look around and 'shop' you. They are REALLY hurting in the Distribution Department, and need an ace there to run the show, and well, you are in Ops. So they can find a trading partner and get an Ace in Distribution, and trade you...then you can cry and whine all you want, but by then, you are gone, and not causing a spectacle.

Don't you think that would be a better way to handle the situation? Or, if the company REALLY likes you, they can trade the Harvard Grad (JJ) before he's fully shown his abilities, or lack there of, for that Ace in Distribution. Either way, it's a win for the company.

So, THIS is what I am trying to say. Trade 2 'extras', plus picks that aren't that great anyway, or are too far way (2-3 years away) to be meaningful, for players that can help us NOW. Yeah, it sucks to lose picks and players, but it's awesome to win games and develop players the right way.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybrv8pyw + Mia '18 1st

In this trade, we save them $6M by taking on 2 x 1yr contracts worth $20, while trading them a more useful Monroe. They also get a versatile Bender to use with Covington and Saric at SF/PF, as they please, plus, they get a 1st, which they always love.

We get Fultz (They don't need him with Simmons and TJ McConnell), 2 PFs to take up space in Amir J. and T. Booker, but also, a plus PF/C in Richaun Holmes.

This helps us immediately AND in the future...

Part II addressing other aspects of your post, in my next post...

[NavLDO]

But here's a novel idea, we use the 3 picks and 2 players, which are 5 assets, and attempt to turn them into a starting Center and a starting PG within the next 8 months. Then we can have starter-level players at ALL of our positions, instead of only 3, with the 4th being manned by a 35 YO with no future, and the other being manned by a 5'10" PG who gets destroyed on a nightly basis.

In other words you are saying dont worry about developing a young core of promising talent (like the 76ers or like Warriors did with Green, Curry and Thompson) but lets try to throw some of those assets to pick up a couple players that can come in and push us into the playoffs so we can tread water there and hope that what we have now is enough to keep us in the playoffs? The problem your view that we pick morris was that the idea was always just to get back into the playoffs. I want a real plan that will develop a championship team not another also ran team that is going to wash out in the first round of the playoffs. I look at the 76ers and Boston as patterns that we should follow of collecting assests and building around them without trying to rush.

Part II, as promised (or threatened...however you choose to look at it...)

Regarding blueprints...

The 76ers?? You want to follow their blueprint??? Have you actually looked at what they have done?? And where they are, right now?

Vucevic - Traded for Bynum and Richardson. Wondering why you haven't heard about the exploits of Bynum in Philly? because he never even suited up for them. While the Magic STILL employ Vucevic, quite usefully, I might add.

What you do not see is that they ALSO traded Harkless, Iguodala, and a 1st Rd Pick.

Harkless - See Above.

Okafor - Fights, Suspensions, Slow feet, and injuries led to this #3 overall pick to be traded with Stauskus and a 2nd for Trevor Booker. Awesome DEAL!!

Noel - Injuries and, well, who knows caused his trade just 3 years after being drafted.

MCW - ROY, then traded twice, and on his 4th team...big help to the Sixers!

Turner - Played 4 years, traded for Granger (bought out 6 days later) + 2nd Rd pick. Former #2 Overall selection traded for a 2nd Rd pick. Awesome.

They have 5 top 3 picks since 2010, and are currently 19-20. That's the Blueprint you want to follow?? Okay.

The funny thing is, you want to follow their 'blueprint', but fail to recognize that their blueprint is rife with trades for players to make them better, like Bynum...which failed miserably...or do you only want to follow the part of the blueprint which involves them trading prior top 10 picks for 2nd Rounders??? Because that's not helpful, either...

About the Celtics??? Well, unfortunately, like 28 other NBA Franchises, we were unable to take advantage of the Brooklyn Nets stupidity...

"— The Celtics received the No. 17 pick in 2014, the No. 3 pick in 2016, the No. 1 pick in 2017, almost certainly another top pick in 2018."

I would love to follow that Blueprint, so let me know when another NBA GM is feeling utterly stupid, and I'll call McD to let him know he needs to jump on that deal, but until then, there's not a precedent for that type of 'blueprint' being able to be followed, but nice try, again...

[BobbieL]

I think if there was anytime to use a future pick of our own to move up in the draft I would do it this year. I don't see us in the lottery much longer.

Exactly - possibly use the Heat pick this year even to move up a spot or two to get the right player

[Christine-In-AZ]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybrv8pyw + Mia '18 1st

I'm hopeful you don't share this on the Sixer's board

[hollywood6964]

But here's a novel idea, we use the 3 picks and 2 players, which are 5 assets, and attempt to turn them into a starting Center and a starting PG within the next 8 months. Then we can have starter-level players at ALL of our positions, instead of only 3, with the 4th being manned by a 35 YO with no future, and the other being manned by a 5'10" PG who gets destroyed on a nightly basis.

In other words you are saying dont worry about developing a young core of promising talent (like the 76ers or like Warriors did with Green, Curry and Thompson) but lets try to throw some of those assets to pick up a couple players that can come in and push us into the playoffs so we can tread water there and hope that what we have now is enough to keep us in the playoffs? The problem your view that we pick morris was that the idea was always just to get back into the playoffs. I want a real plan that will develop a championship team not another also ran team that is going to wash out in the first round of the playoffs. I look at the 76ers and Boston as patterns that we should follow of collecting assests and building around them without trying to rush.

No, but nice try to put words in my mouth. What I'm saying is, why don't we attempt to actually develop the talent we do have by bringing in ACTUAL, REAL talent for our selected future core to play with that will help us win games, so they can learn how to WIN instead of continuing to just learn how to LOSE. I'm not sure how how the 'tank brigade' here can possibly believe that it's healthy and positive to continue to have young talent flail about without learning how to win.

Are you honestly trying to tell me that having both Chriss and Bender, two 20 YO PFs (and no, Bender is not, will never be, and SHOULD never be, a Center, with his range, and Chriss just is not big enough), is going to work out well, AND, that this is a wise utilization example of a #4 and #8 overall selections?? Do you think they both will be able to develop to their maximum capability in the current structure of our team?

How about Warren and JJ? Warren is our starter; no debate there. He's earned it. Yet, here we have another, #4 overall selection getting 22 MPG, who happens to play in the same position as Warren? "Well, just start JJ over Warren!" Great idea! What happens to Warren's attitude when we do that? "I don;t care, he's a professional earning millions of dollars...suck it up!" Also a great answer; too bad that's not how it works. They have feelings just like you or I. How would you feel, if you were doing your job, doing it well, and after 3 years of hard work, you earned the Top Operator spot and got a nice contract. Well, then they just hired a Harvard Magna Cum Laude graduate in your field, and are training him up. After a few months, they tell you "It's not you, but he has a better pedigree; we have to give him the Top Operator spot, and all its perks...sorry. But your a professional, so suck it up, buttercup." Well, in the NBA, there's this precedent where if you act like a whiny baby, you get your way, and you can get traded to a different company, and the best part is, the company you're leaving gets screwed on the return, in most cases, because you're acting like a baby. But if your company is smart, they look around and 'shop' you. They are REALLY hurting in the Distribution Department, and need an ace there to run the show, and well, you are in Ops. So they can find a trading partner and get an Ace in Distribution, and trade you...then you can cry and whine all you want, but by then, you are gone, and not causing a spectacle.

Don't you think that would be a better way to handle the situation? Or, if the company REALLY likes you, they can trade the Harvard Grad (JJ) before he's fully shown his abilities, or lack there of, for that Ace in Distribution. Either way, it's a win for the company.

So, THIS is what I am trying to say. Trade 2 'extras', plus picks that aren't that great anyway, or are too far way (2-3 years away) to be meaningful, for players that can help us NOW. Yeah, it sucks to lose picks and players, but it's awesome to win games and develop players the right way.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybrv8pyw + Mia '18 1st

In this trade, we save them $6M by taking on 2 x 1yr contracts worth $20, while trading them a more useful Monroe. They also get a versatile Bender to use with Covington and Saric at SF/PF, as they please, plus, they get a 1st, which they always love.

We get Fultz (They don't need him with Simmons and TJ McConnell), 2 PFs to take up space in Amir J. and T. Booker, but also, a plus PF/C in Richaun Holmes.

This helps us immediately AND in the future...

Part II addressing other aspects of your post, in my next post...

Putting words in others mouths, but that's common practice around here. Hell, it's the basis of most arguments here, undoubtedly trying to make the other person look stupid by putting something in their own made up context. Why would anyone stop that? It's not like it's as transparent as scotch tape, is it?

[BobbieL]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybrv8pyw + Mia '18 1st

I'm hopeful you don't share this on the Sixer's board

so its basically Fultz for Bender and the Miami pick

I don't think the Sixers do that deal

I would just as much use the HEat pick with the Suns pick to move up to get Young.

[NavLDO]

I have absolutely no issue with that, either, but I believe Trae Young is now firmly entrenched as a top 6 pick (that could change, of course). I would love it if we could take any number of assets not names Booker, Warren/JJ, or Bender/Chriss, and trade up to a point where we could select either Doncic or Young, all the while saving our cap space for, preferably, Boogie, actually. I now he has his issues, but with him, and the rest our core...wow...instant contender next year, IMO. I'll pretend we pick Doncic, and in order to do so, we had to trade Warren and Bender.

Doncic / Booker / JJ / Chriss / Boogie

BK / Daniels / Reed / then...some mix of Peters, Dudley, Sauce, Chandler

I would include our '19 first with light protection to move up in addition to our pick this year, Milwaukee and some 2nds. I'd hope that would be enough to not need to include TJ in that trade.

Not sure what it will take to get Trae Young but I am on the bandwagon for that guy - even over Doncic, Bagley and Ayton. But the Suns are going to need to have a bad second half and get lucky with ping pong balls

Thing is, though, there's never a guaranty with these guys. I'm not saying I wouldn't want to select him; of course I would. But if we get a chance to acquire a young PF that has proven he can play in the league, and play well, I'd like McD to attempt to bring one in before the deadline; nothing wrong with having two young PGs. If there is ONE position I'm good with having multiple starter-level players, it's PG, especially if one is a Combo-Guard. These are some trades I wouldn't mind happening, EVEN if it appears we are losing the trade, because in actuality, we're winning, because we are helping the team, IMO.

(These are all opting for JJ over Warren, for the long-term for us)

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc3vzx8v

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc6avolv (Wow, Nets are jacked up...this helps some, but...just wow; helps us, too, of course)

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y75qxdd7

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybzwl786

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y72vgqsp

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9b3kyrx (This one took like 20 tries to make it work, so, yeah...)

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9srge36 + '18 Mia 1st

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9qzzjyc + '18 Mia 1st

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y72ejq4v

This last one...WHY ON EARTH would we trade for Cousins?? So we get the right of the '1st chair at the table' this summer; that's it. Plus, maybe he likes what he sees out of our youngsters and what we are building? Rondo is just to keep us a float the rest of the season. We still maintain our picks, and see how far up McD can push us up the board on draft night with 4 picks (2 x '18 + 2 x Future) at his disposal. Cousins may be enough to get us the wins we need to get that 8th seed, but probably not, so we are likely selecting 13th or 14th. Miami is likely picking 21st, let's say. If he can pkg the rest to get us to 9th-11th, then maybe we have a shot at Sexton or Gilgy (That's what I'm calling him), and hope 'he' can develop into at least an upper tier PG (top 10-12) in a couple of years. I bring up Shai-Gilgeous because he's come out of nowhere to be on NBADraft.net's radar; then when I look him up, I see why. He's 6'6", shooting 45% from 3 (only 1.3 APG, though), but is an 84.5% FT% shooter, 4.3 Assts, 3.7 TRBs, and 2.2 Stls...if he ends up finishing like this, he's be a lottery pick. So...

Gilgy / Booker / JJ / Chriss / Cousins

...as our future wouldn't be too bad, assuming Chriss continues his developing, and the PG turns out to be good, and JJ, of course, gets where his lofty draft status says he should be.

[NavLDO]

I see some parallels between this team and the one Nash joined in 2004. Booker, TJ, JJ, bender, chriss compared to Marion, amare, JJ.

Agree completely! Last night I was looking at the 2004-05 Suns roster when Nash joined the Suns and took them to a 62-20 season. The prior 2003-04 year the Suns (with Amare, Marion, Joe Johnson, Barbosa, McDeyss) won 29 games. Steve came in and rocked the world with all of the young talent Phoenix had accumulated. Nash-Amare-Marion really changed the way the game was played with the 7 seconds or less approach and relentlessly attacking the basket.

I don't know where to find another Nash, but we are closer to relevance than many think.......

Some may not want to hear it, but i think Trae is our best shot at that kind of player. Adding a talent upgrade at point and signing an upgrade at center should push us into the playoffs next year with continued growth internally.

But he's almost assuredly going Top 3, and we are likely headed for 8-10th. No one is going to trade down that far, I don't think. We may have to be content, and hope, that Sexton or Shai Gilgeous-Alexander can be solid for us, because I tend to agree. Finding a top PG is likely a higher, more pressing, and more difficult prospect than a Center. Centers are important, of course, but when our 3rd best Center on the roster is better than our Best PG, I think that shows where our biggest weakness lies.

[TeamTragic]

Apparently the Clips offered Blake to The Wolves for Towns. Obviously thats a no go. What would you give up for Blake?

You mean the same Blake Griffin that backed out from even meeting our front office? I'm sure McD is just dying to get him on this team that way he can sit on the bench with injuries.

[NavLDO]

Agree completely! Last night I was looking at the 2004-05 Suns roster when Nash joined the Suns and took them to a 62-20 season. The prior 2003-04 year the Suns (with Amare, Marion, Joe Johnson, Barbosa, McDeyss) won 29 games. Steve came in and rocked the world with all of the young talent Phoenix had accumulated. Nash-Amare-Marion really changed the way the game was played with the 7 seconds or less approach and relentlessly attacking the basket.

I don't know where to find another Nash, but we are closer to relevance than many think.......

Chris Paul would be perfect next to our youngsters...but I do not think we are his favourite destination.

I like Paul for this squad as well, but of course I agree.

This is the reason I don't feel the apparently dire need some fans feel to make a move to fill out the PG position right now: a lot of contenders build organically until they're one piece away, and then they sign that piece. The players we have on the roster with maybe some minor additions could carry us all the way there if they continue to develop, but they don't need to. We have plenty of picks, and plenty of big time players get taken later in the draft - happens every year. So maybe we draft one more guy that puts us over the top. But even if that fails, all we have to do is get to where we're just one piece away. Once we're there, players of that caliber will want to be here. And then every offseason will be an opportunity for us to push over the top.

The key is not locking yourselves into bad contracts and failing to develop young talent. You ship guys out too early and your peak will never be the whole league's peak. You pick up bad contracts and you'll struggle to keep things together year after year. But if you can stay patient and hang on to your young guys, you'll get there eventually.

Our time is coming. Just stay the course.

... And seriously, if Josh Jackson puts it all together, he'll be a killer. Too many around here seem not to see what I do. Josh Jackson for Kemba Walker -- pssh!

I was with you until the end...

Walker is an All-Star; Jackson is a rookie we HOPE will develop. Had you entered a name of any PG aged 30+, then yeah, I'm with you, but Walker still has age on his side to spend years with this club, and with Warren already on staff, that's a smart trade for us. So would Walker for Warren. But to dismiss a 22/6 All-Star PG so readily at our biggest position of need? Well, not so sure about that. I'm pretty sure McD would jump on that trade quicker than a blink of an eye, if offered. However, I believe it would be the Charlotte GM/fans being the ones that would say...

"Josh Jackson for Kemba Walker -- pssh!"

[hollywood6964]

I'd do Jackson for walker in a minute. Man's in his prime, young prime, so you don't have to toil with years of development, burning time. And sure you risk Jackson, but he's a risk in and of itself. You never know how many years it takes him, and if he'll ever take.

And I'm tired of the lottery every year.

[NTB]

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[NavLDO]

You didn't read what I wrote. I said guys can be locked up but that doesn't mean they can't force their way out. Players and agents these days have more power than they ever had.

Booker will sign his max deal but that doesn't mean he can't force his way out for any number of reasons. To say a guys on a contract so they'll be content playing on a crap team is ridiculous. Morris has his own situation and Bledsoe had his. The only comparison I made, if you've read what I wrote, is that they both had years on their deals yet they forced McD's hand and got traded.

I read what you wrote. Those guys wanted out for specific personal circumstances related to money/family. Different scenario. I just think it's pathetic fans are worried about that while a guy is on a rookie contract...barely more than halfway through it and will almost certainly accept a max deal and seems very happy. People just make things up to get worried about.

Sometimes it almost seems like the same people who think our team is on the cusp are the ones afraid Booker will leave because it's not good enough. Not talking about anyone specifically, but it feels that way sometimes.

Then you didn't get the point of my post. It's got nothing to do with Booker's, Bledsoe's or Kieff's individual situation and differences. I was highlighting the fact that players and agents these days have more mobility than they ever had. I'm not saying Booker will leave because he's unhappy, I'm saying he could force a trade even if he's locked into a contract. As I've mentioned, it's naive to think that just because a guy is getting paid and Booker will get paid (if not from us then another team), that somehow all troubles are gone and he's a happy camper. There's personal and internal issues that have broken teams up before. I don't want that to happen and for that not to happen is to not assume things. McD assumed Bledsoe would be content being sat. McD assumed Dragic would never say anything to the public (neither did most of the public). McD assumed Kieff would be sty professional after trading away his brother. There's a million different variations.

Don't assume things

True. And Agents get paid for a reason. Their whole purpose in life is to maximize profits. I know I would tell a player, regardless of how you feel, you sign that Max contract that the Suns are assuredly going to offer you; after that, if you feel as if you want to try greener pastures and bluer oceans, THEN we can see about getting you off the Suns, but by then, you have your 5 year Max.

Booker probably feels pretty good about where we are right now, but in 3?? 4?? years, if we are still in the 'tank' game, for whatever reason, he's going to start thinking about his legacy, and he's going to want a championship. If he's stuck on a perennial loser that can't seem to keep a Coach for more than 2 years, and is consistently making poor business deals to the point where the Suns can not ever get to even the 8th seed, he MIGHT begin to think about how he can get to another team while he's in his prime.

If by the '20-'21 season, we are still a 30-ish win team, he may try to force a trade by the deadline of that season. He may not, but I certainly do not want to test that theory, which is why I think we really need to become relevant by next season, and there is, barring serious injury, of course, no reason why we can't. We have the Cap Space this year to make something happen, and in addition to our '18 pick, we have, 3 x 1sts, a 20 YO developing PF (you pick), and a young SF (again, you pick). If a FA won't sign with us, then, by golly, make a trade and a pick--one at PG and one at C, and re-evaluate at the trade deadline next season. Is it really that hard? We got SG, SF, and PF figured out.

[thamadkant]

Walker is a good player but not the PG I would pair with Booker. And I can guarantee fans here would turn on him soon after when the ball stops at him a lot of plays.



Need a a legit MVP caliber player next to Booker, who is in his prime now or soon. Griffin, Cousins, George etc.

Then a PG who, when not scoring or hitting shots, will still be on the court because he plays good defense and makes good decisions.

Brandon Knight if, and its a big IF, accepts more of a catch and shoot approach when he's with Booker on the court, and takes over ball handling duties when he's given the task... would be the cheaper and safer option than trading future picks (and young talent) for Walker.


I would kick the tires on J.Lin and Clarkson... if the Suns find a way to get rid of Knight's contract, I think 2 mid-tiers scoring combo guards next to Booker, Jackson and Warren would be ideal for the perimeter. Ideally, I would put someone like Bradley.... or even Smart, if he can slightly improve his perimeter shot... or atleast develops a slashing game that draws fouls, his defense is immense.

I still think a dominant big man would help tremendously obviously.


But coaching...

Do NOT let the recent wins and "improved" ball handling as sufficient. The Suns have NOTHING going for them when Booker is defended tightly and shots from outside are not falling. You need a solid foundation of game style to revert to when players are cold.

[jredsaz]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybrv8pyw + Mia '18 1st

I'm hopeful you don't share this on the Sixer's board

so its basically Fultz for Bender and the Miami pick

I don't think the Sixers do that deal

I would just as much use the HEat pick with the Suns pick to move up to get Young.

I hope we are in a position to do that.

[Midnight_Suns]

I'm hopeful you don't share this on the Sixer's board

so its basically Fultz for Bender and the Miami pick

I don't think the Sixers do that deal

I would just as much use the HEat pick with the Suns pick to move up to get Young.

I hope we are in a position to do that.

I would sell the farm to get Young. Booker + Young puts us in Warriors backcourt territory.

[thamadkant]

Fultz... interesting for sure, I liked him along Jackson in the draft.


I would offer... Suns pick, Bucks pick OR Heat pick and ONE of Chriss/Bender.

[jredsaz]

Apparently the Clips offered Blake to The Wolves for Towns. Obviously thats a no go. What would you give up for Blake?

You mean the same Blake Griffin that backed out from even meeting our front office? I'm sure McD is just dying to get him on this team that way he can sit on the bench with injuries.

He got his money. If McD was interested in signing him then don't see why he would not be interested in trading for him now. Obviously it would come down to th cost. And I would hope our training staff would work some magic and keep him healthy.

Looks like you would give up much more than Monroe in a Griffin deal.

[jredsaz]

so its basically Fultz for Bender and the Miami pick

I don't think the Sixers do that deal

I would just as much use the HEat pick with the Suns pick to move up to get Young.

I hope we are in a position to do that.

I would sell the farm to get Young. Booker + Young puts us in Warriors backcourt territory.

Yeah. We would have to be within a few picks and be able to land a quality player with our pick to trade back to the team that drafts Young.