GT #46: Wizards @ Pistons 8 PM (ESPN/NBCSW/1500 AM)

[CobraCommander]

Kelly will get max, or very near it, if he progresses like Otto did. He is on track. Credit to Ernie for trading up and Coaching staff.

We can work with those 4 and filler. We really need to draft or develop a rim protector. Hoping can keep Sato, will be tough.

Go look at that supermax money when it kicks in, if John gets hurt or regresses much, it's big trouble. But I think had to do it.

I think keeping Sato won’t be an issue.

The Super max for John is gonna be an issue as he will basically be taking up the space Gortat and Mahinmi have but hopefully the cap can get up to $110M to give us enough luxury tax room

I get the numbers....but it feels like the salary cap isnt a issue for teams that have multiple stars so why is the super max for john any different (real honest question) and it isnt a issue for GSW, OKC, Cleveland, Boston etc? Honest answer...no snarky-ness or arrogance loaded in this question at all.

Ill add to my question/s. Does a super max deal count against the salary cap dollar for dollar like a normal contract? E.g. if a player signed a contract for max $100 over 10 years that would be 10 a year...but if he signed a supermax that was $200 over 10 years would it still count as 20 against the cap per year or does the team get any cap relief because they signed a player to a supermax? IF not...wow john could be 35% of the total salary cap..and if beal were to make an all nba team we would be DEAD....

[nate33]

The next game is at Dallas. Did we break the losing streak there yet? It's a good test to see if we've turned the corner.

Well you’ve sealed the loss.

It was going to be a loss anyway. Rick Carlisle is our daddy. There is no way we can beat him. He understands everything we're trying to do and he counters it despite inferior talent. Some nobody like J.J. Barea is going to score 24 points on 9-11 shooting, while someone like Dwight Powell will get 16 points and 16 boards.

It happens every time. The team shouldn't even bother playing.

[DCZards]

The next game is at Dallas. Did we break the losing streak there yet? It's a good test to see if we've turned the corner.

Well you’ve sealed the loss.

It was going to be a loss anyway. Rick Carlisle is our daddy. There is no way we can beat him. He understands everything we're trying to do and he counters it despite inferior talent. Some nobody like J.J. Barea is going to score 24 points on 9-11 shooting, while someone like Dwight Powell will get 16 points and 16 boards.

It happens every time. The team shouldn't even bother playing.

Seriously? You really give up that easily or are you trying to work some reverse voodoo here?

[dckingsfan]

I am predicting a victory in Dallas! The new "short leash" approach will throw off Carlisle's strategy, he will get frustrated and get thrown out of the game. I am also predicting he throws a punch at Gortat who then body slams him into the court and then points to the hammer on his shoulder.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

The next game is at Dallas. Did we break the losing streak there yet? It's a good test to see if we've turned the corner.

Well you’ve sealed the loss.

It was going to be a loss anyway. Rick Carlisle is our daddy. There is no way we can beat him. He understands everything we're trying to do and he counters it despite inferior talent. Some nobody like J.J. Barea is going to score 24 points on 9-11 shooting, while someone like Dwight Powell will get 16 points and 16 boards.

It happens every time. The team shouldn't even bother playing.

Yuuuuup. Dirk will probably play like he slept the night before in a Lazarus pit.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Well you’ve sealed the loss.

It was going to be a loss anyway. Rick Carlisle is our daddy. There is no way we can beat him. He understands everything we're trying to do and he counters it despite inferior talent. Some nobody like J.J. Barea is going to score 24 points on 9-11 shooting, while someone like Dwight Powell will get 16 points and 16 boards.

It happens every time. The team shouldn't even bother playing.

Seriously? You really give up that easily or are you trying to work some reverse voodoo here?

It doesn’t take a clairvoyant to predict the outcome of that game.

[DCZards]

It was going to be a loss anyway. Rick Carlisle is our daddy. There is no way we can beat him. He understands everything we're trying to do and he counters it despite inferior talent. Some nobody like J.J. Barea is going to score 24 points on 9-11 shooting, while someone like Dwight Powell will get 16 points and 16 boards.

It happens every time. The team shouldn't even bother playing.

Seriously? You really give up that easily or are you trying to work some reverse voodoo here?

It doesn’t take a clairvoyant to predict the outcome of that game.

So what's your prediction? This clairvoyant is predicting that the Zards win by 11 pts.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Seriously? You really give up that easily or are you trying to work some reverse voodoo here?

It doesn’t take a clairvoyant to predict the outcome of that game.

So what's your prediction? This clairvoyant is predicting that the Zards win by 11 pts.

We lose by 15+ I think. Too many things going against us: the Mavericks have one of the worsts records in the league but have beat some good teams, what Nate said, and a 8:30 start time. I’ve seen this picture before... Groundhog’s Day.

[FAH1223]

I think keeping Sato won’t be an issue.

The Super max for John is gonna be an issue as he will basically be taking up the space Gortat and Mahinmi have but hopefully the cap can get up to $110M to give us enough luxury tax room

I get the numbers....but it feels like the salary cap isnt a issue for teams that have multiple stars so why is the super max for john any different (real honest question) and it isnt a issue for GSW, OKC, Cleveland, Boston etc? Honest answer...no snarky-ness or arrogance loaded in this question at all.

Ill add to my question/s. Does a super max deal count against the salary cap dollar for dollar like a normal contract? E.g. if a player signed a contract for max $100 over 10 years that would be 10 a year...but if he signed a supermax that was $200 over 10 years would it still count as 20 against the cap per year or does the team get any cap relief because they signed a player to a supermax? IF not...wow john could be 35% of the total salary cap..and if beal were to make an all nba team we would be DEAD....

It's not about the cap. All those teams are over the cap. The issue is the luxury tax.

Is Ted Leonsis willing to pay the luxury tax for multiple years? CLE, GSW have owners who will. OKC is over the luxury tax for this year but who knows if they keep Paul George? Adams contract is now in effect. The Spurs are the masters of staying below the tax lately.

[nate33]

Well you’ve sealed the loss.

It was going to be a loss anyway. Rick Carlisle is our daddy. There is no way we can beat him. He understands everything we're trying to do and he counters it despite inferior talent. Some nobody like J.J. Barea is going to score 24 points on 9-11 shooting, while someone like Dwight Powell will get 16 points and 16 boards.

It happens every time. The team shouldn't even bother playing.

Seriously? You really give up that easily or are you trying to work some reverse voodoo here?

I wish it was reverse voodoo. But, sadly, it isn't.

[Sluggerface]

Kelly will get max, or very near it, if he progresses like Otto did. He is on track. Credit to Ernie for trading up and Coaching staff.

We can work with those 4 and filler. We really need to draft or develop a rim protector. Hoping can keep Sato, will be tough.

Go look at that supermax money when it kicks in, if John gets hurt or regresses much, it's big trouble. But I think had to do it.

I think keeping Sato won’t be an issue.

The Super max for John is gonna be an issue as he will basically be taking up the space Gortat and Mahinmi have but hopefully the cap can get up to $110M to give us enough luxury tax room

I get the numbers....but it feels like the salary cap isnt a issue for teams that have multiple stars so why is the super max for john any different (real honest question) and it isnt a issue for GSW, OKC, Cleveland, Boston etc? Honest answer...no snarky-ness or arrogance loaded in this question at all.

Most of those teams have MVP level players (in GS there are two). They don't have to worry about the back end of the roster (and quite frequently they get a pass on quality vet mins because of ring chasers.) Washington doesn't have that luxury.

[80sballboy]

It was going to be a loss anyway. Rick Carlisle is our daddy. There is no way we can beat him. He understands everything we're trying to do and he counters it despite inferior talent. Some nobody like J.J. Barea is going to score 24 points on 9-11 shooting, while someone like Dwight Powell will get 16 points and 16 boards.

It happens every time. The team shouldn't even bother playing.

Seriously? You really give up that easily or are you trying to work some reverse voodoo here?

I wish it was reverse voodoo. But, sadly, it isn't.

Got swept last year and I believe the year before. They are 15-30 so he's not a magician except against the Wiz. Wonder what his record was against Brooks when he coached at OKC.

[NatP4]

People were just waiting to trash Otto lol. Seeing people call his contract an albatross, saying Oubre is already way better. Yikes. This fanbase turned on him after one week

[nate33]

Seriously? You really give up that easily or are you trying to work some reverse voodoo here?

I wish it was reverse voodoo. But, sadly, it isn't.

Got swept last year and I believe the year before. They are 15-30 so he's not a magician except against the Wiz. Wonder what his record was against Brooks when he coached at OKC.

The Wizards have lost 13 of their last 14 to Dallas. They beat them on December 15, 2015. Their last win prior to that was the season opener on October 27, 2009; so only one victory in eight freaking years.

Interestingly, in both wins, the Wizards were without a key player. In 2016, the Wizards were missing Beal, and in 2009, they were missing Jamison.

[ClutchDJ]

I wish it was reverse voodoo. But, sadly, it isn't.

Got swept last year and I believe the year before. They are 15-30 so he's not a magician except against the Wiz. Wonder what his record was against Brooks when he coached at OKC.

The Wizards have lost 13 of their last 14 to Dallas. They beat them on December 15, 2016. Their last win prior to that was the season opener on October 27, 2009; so only one victory in eight freaking years.

Interestingly, in both wins, the Wizards were without a key player. In 2016, the Wizards were missing Beal, and in 2009, they were missing Jamison.

*2015.

[nate33]

Got swept last year and I believe the year before. They are 15-30 so he's not a magician except against the Wiz. Wonder what his record was against Brooks when he coached at OKC.

The Wizards have lost 13 of their last 14 to Dallas. They beat them on December 15, 2016. Their last win prior to that was the season opener on October 27, 2009; so only one victory in eight freaking years.

Interestingly, in both wins, the Wizards were without a key player. In 2016, the Wizards were missing Beal, and in 2009, they were missing Jamison.

*2015.

Right. Sorry. Corrected.

[payitforward]

I get the numbers....but it feels like the salary cap isnt a issue for teams that have multiple stars so why is the super max for john any different (real honest question) and it isnt a issue for GSW, OKC, Cleveland, Boston etc? Honest answer...no snarky-ness or arrogance loaded in this question at all.

The answer to this is easy: the super-max contracts that GS, Cleveland & OKC pay Curry, Lebron & Westbrook are for players who are a lot better than John Wall. That's why GS & Cleveland have been NBA champions.

As well, the $25m that GS pays KD goes to a much better player than the same amount paid by us to Bradley Beal. The $16.4m they pay Draymond Green brings them much more than the $16.6m we pay Ian Mahinmi. In the end, they too will have problems from these salaries, but in the meantime they have won multiple titles & have a great shot at another one this year. We on the other hand, are headed for 46 wins in the weaker Eastern Conference.

Closer to home, Boston -- with a significantly lower payroll than ours & with no super-max player & with their most expensive player out for the season -- is a much better team than the Wizards.

All these Wizards problems have one cause: Ernie Grunfeld.