Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018

[tski1972]

Snell to NO for Asik/1st.

The Pelicans would have to be pretty desperate for SF help to do this. But they also could be motivated to drop cap if they are about to max Cousins.

Does Asik have much left in the tank?

Terrible contract...but it wouldn’t take much for him to earn a rotation spot at the moment for what that’s worth.

I've read a few reports the Pels are looking for a wing.

Asik has an early termination clause for the '19-'20 season which would clear two+ years of Snells salary.

[Ron Swanson]

Pelicans have absolutely nothing of interest assets-wise unless they're gonna move Boogie. Then I'd gladly give up Middleton + whatever other complimentary assets they'd want to get a deal done.

[M-C-G]

Pelicans have absolutely nothing of interest assets-wise unless they're gonna move Boogie. Then I'd gladly give up Middleton + whatever other complimentary assets they'd want to get a deal done.

Cousins/Ajinca for Khris/Henson?

PG: Bledsoe, Brogdon, Terry
SG: Brown, Kilpatrick, Vaughn
SF: Snell, (Parker)
PF: Giannis, Thon, Wilson, (Mirza)
C: Cousins, Ajinca, Plumlee

Probably cut Terry and Vaughn, sign Plum or Alexander and some SF depth

[Ron Swanson]

Pelicans have absolutely nothing of interest assets-wise unless they're gonna move Boogie. Then I'd gladly give up Middleton + whatever other complimentary assets they'd want to get a deal done.

Cousins/Ajinca for Khris/Henson?

Oh easily. They'd want more than that for Boogie though.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

Bucks really need to find out what they can get for Middleton

I truly think you can get decent production between Snell and Sterling

Might be able to secure a nice backup big, or a pick in the coming draft.


1.) Let's be real, the Bucks aren't winning the Championship this year....so hanging onto him for a run this season isn't helping anything.

2.) You're not going to want to pay him what he wants at the end of next season. Likely have to make a decision between Middleton, and Brogdon.

3.) You gotta move some money to sign Jabari...and if you can package him with Delly you really clear some good space.

4.) He's becoming a black hole on offense. He's not a good enough ball-handler to create, yet he's been enabled to do as much. And when the ball goes into him on an offensive set, it usually doesn't come out. Ideally he'd work for his shot on the perimeter, and he's seemingly to lazy to do that..just stands around not creating much for spacing. Also, been lazy on defense of late.

[M-C-G]

4.)And when the ball goes into him on an offensive set, it usually doesn't come out. Ideally he'd work for his shot on the perimeter, and he's seemingly to lazy to do that..just stands around not creating much for spacing. Also, been lazy on defense of late.

I've been saying this for a while, theoretical Middleton is the perfect player along side Giannis, actual Khris Middleton however is not, but people keep talking like he is. I'm not saying he isn't a good player, he sure can be, but he is a big reason we are a train wreck this year.

[raferfenix]

Asik has an early termination clause for the '19-'20 season which would clear two+ years of Snells salary.

Dropping this salary before Bledsoe / Brogdon / Middleton become free agents could be a big deal.

If Asik has enough in the tank to be a rotation big man for us this season and next then getting a 1st from them could be enough to make it worth swapping out Snell -- with the big caveat that it depends on what other offers are on the table for Snell.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

4.)And when the ball goes into him on an offensive set, it usually doesn't come out. Ideally he'd work for his shot on the perimeter, and he's seemingly to lazy to do that..just stands around not creating much for spacing. Also, been lazy on defense of late.

I've been saying this for a while, theoretical Middleton is the perfect player along side Giannis, actual Khris Middleton however is not, but people keep talking like he is. I'm not saying he isn't a good player, he sure can be, but he is a big reason we are a train wreck this year.

i'm so over watching him offensively. he maxed out as a player 2 years ago.

[raferfenix]

Pelicans have absolutely nothing of interest assets-wise unless they're gonna move Boogie. Then I'd gladly give up Middleton + whatever other complimentary assets they'd want to get a deal done.

Why aren't their first round picks of interest?

If they were going to move Boogie I'd hope we make a hard play for him, but considering how he's played it's hard to see that in the cards, or is there reason to hope they might still bail?

[paulpressey25]

I've been saying this for a while, theoretical Middleton is the perfect player along side Giannis, actual Khris Middleton however is not, but people keep talking like he is. I'm not saying he isn't a good player, he sure can be, but he is a big reason we are a train wreck this year.

Running Middleton out there with four bench scrubs and having Middleton chuck has not been a good strategy.

[raferfenix]

I'd like to see how Middleton does under a different coach.

That said, if here weren't going to play much better after that change, this might be the highest his value is ever going to be again if teams think a change of scenery could reignite his play.

[Ron Swanson]

Pelicans have absolutely nothing of interest assets-wise unless they're gonna move Boogie. Then I'd gladly give up Middleton + whatever other complimentary assets they'd want to get a deal done.

Why aren't their first round picks of interest?

Because they're mid-late 1st's so long as they have Boogie and AD?

[Chapter29]

Bucks really need to find out what they can get for Middleton

I truly think you can get decent production between Snell and Sterling

Might be able to secure a nice backup big, or a pick in the coming draft.


1.) Let's be real, the Bucks aren't winning the Championship this year....so hanging onto him for a run this season isn't helping anything.

2.) You're not going to want to pay him what he wants at the end of next season. Likely have to make a decision between Middleton, and Brogdon.

3.) You gotta move some money to sign Jabari...and if you can package him with Delly you really clear some good space.

4.) He's becoming a black hole on offense. He's not a good enough ball-handler to create, yet he's been enabled to do as much. And when the ball goes into him on an offensive set, it usually doesn't come out. Ideally he'd work for his shot on the perimeter, and he's seemingly to lazy to do that..just stands around not creating much for spacing. Also, been lazy on defense of late.

Yep, stopped reading when you wrote that we can decent production from Snell if we let Middleton go. Um, no.

[raferfenix]

Why aren't their first round picks of interest?

Because they're mid-late 1st's so long as they have Boogie and AD?

Those are still valuable on the trade market even if you don't trust Horst to make the most of them.

Also we're only talking about dealing Tony Snell. If he has more value than a mid-late 1st that'd be awesome but I'm just not sure I see it.

And something has to give with so much of our salary slated to be in the backcourt and on the wings.

If we deal Delly, Bledsoe, Middleton or Jabari I'd feel differently but as it stands I don't know how much we lose with Sterling Brown and Parker taking over Snell's current role.

[M-C-G]

I'd like to see how Middleton does under a different coach.

My one caveat with any trade talk has always been that I am equally okay bringing in a new coach and/or new schemes and give everyone a fresh look.

It amazes me how sub optimized every thing and every one is in the Kidd coaching era. That can't be overstated

[M-C-G]

I've been saying this for a while, theoretical Middleton is the perfect player along side Giannis, actual Khris Middleton however is not, but people keep talking like he is. I'm not saying he isn't a good player, he sure can be, but he is a big reason we are a train wreck this year.

Running Middleton out there with four bench scrubs and having Middleton chuck has not been a good strategy.

So for comparison sake, I looked at the top line ups in MP (pre all start break) last year without Giannis (net rating)
55 mp Beasley, Brogdon, Monroe, Parker, Terry +15
51 mp Beasley, Brogdon, Monroe, Parker, Snell -4
49 mp Brogdon, Monroe, Parker, Tele, Terry +19
35 mp Beasley, Delly, Monroe, Parker, Snell +5

This year
34 mp Bledsoe, Brogdon, Henson, MIdd, Snell -34
32 mp Bledsoe, Brogdon, Liggins, Midd, Maker -19
24 mp Brown, Delly, Maker, Middleton, Snell -20
23 mp Brogdon, Liggins, Maker, Midd, Terry -6

And bonus line up
20 mp Bledsoe, Brown, Henson, Middleton, Snell -40

I really want to blame Maker for the all the problems, but it seems that Bledsoe and Middleton without Giannis, they are having a tough time making that line up work, in any fashion.

[raferfenix]

I'd like to see how Middleton does under a different coach.

My one caveat with any trade talk has always been that I am equally okay bringing in a new coach and/or new schemes and give everyone a fresh look.

It amazes me how sub optimized every thing and every one is in the Kidd coaching era. That can't be overstated

It's a big caveat.

That said, even if we fire Kidd, we still need another big man or two to take pressure off Giannis.

That doesn't need to be a major acquisition though -- I'd be much more hesitant to trade our most valuable pieces before seeing how they perform with a different coach.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

Yep, stopped reading when you wrote that we can decent production from Snell if we let Middleton go. Um, no.

between snell and sterling....i think you can

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[LuessiT]

I've been saying this for a while, theoretical Middleton is the perfect player along side Giannis, actual Khris Middleton however is not, but people keep talking like he is. I'm not saying he isn't a good player, he sure can be, but he is a big reason we are a train wreck this year.

Running Middleton out there with four bench scrubs and having Middleton chuck has not been a good strategy.

Actually I think that has been a decent strategy. Having Middleton chuck while the starters are in on the other hand...

[Ron Swanson]

Trading Snell for a mid-late 1st when he's already basically what you'd hope a mid-late 1st round pick becomes eventually just doesn't make much sense to me.