DeMarcus Cousins Down - WOJ - Torn Achilles Confirmed - Out for the Season

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Re: DeMarcus Cousins Down - WOJ - Torn Achilles Confirmed - Out for the Season 

Post#261 » by clyde21 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:51 am

tribulations wrote:Worst news story of the year, and I'm far from a Cousins fan. Just terrible for anyone with a love for the game.

Really interested in what the Pels do now. Do they tank for a pick and resign Boogie on a team friendly deal or do they blow it up completely?

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What? Why would they blow it up completely?
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Post#262 » by DaddyCool19 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:56 am

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Basketball MVP wrote:I don't think he will ever be the same after this and it's hard to swallow. Generational talent imo.


I disagree. His game isn't predicated on athleticism and he's still very young. I don't see why he can't be the same player.

Get well soon Boogie!


But Cousins is pretty nimble for a guy his size...
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Post#263 » by tribulations » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:59 am

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tribulations wrote:Worst news story of the year, and I'm far from a Cousins fan. Just terrible for anyone with a love for the game.

Really interested in what the Pels do now. Do they tank for a pick and resign Boogie on a team friendly deal or do they blow it up completely?

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What? Why would they blow it up completely?
Their second best (arguably best) player is an imminent UFA and just had a potential career-ender, combined with the rest of the team being overpaid, hot garbage (outside of AD).

These are front and center for me as to why.

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Post#264 » by Pacersike » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:05 am

RIP Pelican Cousins :(
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Post#265 » by JunkYardDog6ix » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:28 am

Wow im surpised no one has said this but what makes this so sad is that he got injured doing something his haters said he never does - playing with heart and passion sacrificing himself for the team , huslting for the rebound and leading by example. He was ready to put up monster numbers in the playoffs and finally shutup all the haters that don't like him because he gets technical fouls. The way he fell on one leg at the end I feel bad for him hope he comes back at least 90%
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Post#266 » by bullsaficianado » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:45 am

Why are people saying this is career ending? It's not. It's just a torn achilles, he will have to have surgery and walk in a boot to allow it to heal. They usually heal after 6 months if properly cared for and treated. I see no reason why he won't be ready to play next season. Only problem will be for him is if it tears again next season, I hope it gets strong and better. Heal and get better Boogie!
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Post#267 » by whocurrz » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:59 am

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Basketball MVP wrote:I don't think he will ever be the same after this and it's hard to swallow. Generational talent imo.


I disagree. His game isn't predicated on athleticism and he's still very young. I don't see why he can't be the same player.

Get well soon Boogie!


I agree. I think it’s just as likely he comes back possibly better because of his current tools and the main areas growth would serve him best. Like you said his game isn’t based off athlecism. He’s strong, skilled and although a hot head can play with a great ferocity. Sometimes big picture and focus can be a downfall for him and he’ll lose focus at times but from the outside looking in I think he could come back with a different outlook.

Not the same but mentally speaking when I tore my ACL senior year of HS in Lacrosse right before playoffs and couldn’t do anything it changed my outlook on the game. Since I loved playing like I believe Cousins does (this is something I don’t question with his attitude) I could not wait for any day where I could get closer. After being on crutches I never realized how much I appreciated what my healthy body could do. When I could run straight I ran more than I ever did and got in probably the best shape of my life. I worked out my legs more to try to prevent stress on ligaments which actually led to me getting faster. I didn’t go to practice and games taking it for granted anymore and when I could finally play just felt more engaged. Also watching from the sideline when all I could do was focus on the coaching it felt more ingrained in my head. I saw technical skill and scheme more than when you kind of just go do it. He has all the talent a big man needs and I think studying the game, watching it and coming with an attitude that he won’t take his ability to play every day for granted could help the mental aspect of his game.
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Post#268 » by lambchop » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:20 am

bullsaficianado wrote:Why are people saying this is career ending? It's not. It's just a torn achilles, he will have to have surgery and walk in a boot to allow it to heal. They usually heal after 6 months if properly cared for and treated. I see no reason why he won't be ready to play next season. Only problem will be for him is if it tears again next season, I hope it gets strong and better. Heal and get better Boogie!


Dude, please...It's not literally career ending but judging by how others have "recovered" from it in the modern era it's "career-ruining". Wesley Matthews was one of the better SGs in a league that lacks SGs and since he tore his achilles he basically sucks buttocks for a living.
Mario Chalmers reeeally struggled when he came back. Kobe of course still managed to "have an impact " on a tanking team.

He's most likely done being an all star.
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Post#269 » by lambchop » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:24 am

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tribulations wrote:Worst news story of the year, and I'm far from a Cousins fan. Just terrible for anyone with a love for the game.

Really interested in what the Pels do now. Do they tank for a pick and resign Boogie on a team friendly deal or do they blow it up completely?

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What? Why would they blow it up completely?


Without boogie theyre one all star away from being a legit team in the west. Who's the all star that will sign there? Lebron? PG?
I think the likelihood of AD being traded to the Warriors for mcgee is bigger than the pels getting another big name player.
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Post#270 » by GrandTheftRondo » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:26 am

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bullsaficianado wrote:Why are people saying this is career ending? It's not. It's just a torn achilles, he will have to have surgery and walk in a boot to allow it to heal. They usually heal after 6 months if properly cared for and treated. I see no reason why he won't be ready to play next season. Only problem will be for him is if it tears again next season, I hope it gets strong and better. Heal and get better Boogie!


Dude, please...It's not literally career ending but judging by how others have "recovered" from it in the modern era it's "career-ruining". Wesley Matthews was one of the better SGs in a league that lacks SGs and since he tore his achilles he basically sucks buttocks for a living.
Mario Chalmers reeeally struggled when he came back. Kobe of course still managed to "have an impact " on a tanking team.

He's most likely done being an all star.

All those blokes were older and approaching their 30s. Cousins is only 27.

It’s no doubt a serious injury and worrisome but I don’t think we’ve seen it happen to a player in their prime.
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Post#271 » by DaddyCool19 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:26 am

Whats the best case contract wise for him? I think Rudy Gay had the same injury in January last year and was ready for this season.

Does he take a risk and signs a 1+1 year Player Option max and proves his worth to sign a bigger deal in 2019. Or does he take the longest deal the Pelicans offer him even if there is a team option?
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Post#272 » by MovieMuscle » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:31 am

If I was a Pelicans fan, I'd be crying right now. Hell, I'm not a Pelicans fan, and I'm on the verge of tears. It's just so damn sad when you put it all into context.
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Post#273 » by lambchop » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:53 am

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bullsaficianado wrote:Why are people saying this is career ending? It's not. It's just a torn achilles, he will have to have surgery and walk in a boot to allow it to heal. They usually heal after 6 months if properly cared for and treated. I see no reason why he won't be ready to play next season. Only problem will be for him is if it tears again next season, I hope it gets strong and better. Heal and get better Boogie!


Dude, please...It's not literally career ending but judging by how others have "recovered" from it in the modern era it's "career-ruining". Wesley Matthews was one of the better SGs in a league that lacks SGs and since he tore his achilles he basically sucks buttocks for a living.
Mario Chalmers reeeally struggled when he came back. Kobe of course still managed to "have an impact " on a tanking team.

He's most likely done being an all star.

All those blokes were older and approaching their 30s. Cousins is only 27.

It’s no doubt a serious injury and worrisome but I don’t think we’ve seen it happen to a player in their prime.


Matthews was 28 so yea 1 year difference. Imo the more valid argument is that as a big DMC doesn’t need that much speed.
Even jarrett jack looks fine simply because he never relied on speed
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Post#274 » by dYYYh.k² » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:06 am

this makes me sad. curious to see if this changes his on-court demeanor to be more positive when he's back in about a year. Or if this completely kills him - he seemed to lose patience with bad calls already - wonder if he loses patience with himself right after rehab. hope not! hope there is a psychologist involved in his rehab process.
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Post#275 » by queridiculo » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:08 am

bullsaficianado wrote:Why are people saying this is career ending? It's not. It's just a torn achilles, he will have to have surgery and walk in a boot to allow it to heal. They usually heal after 6 months if properly cared for and treated. I see no reason why he won't be ready to play next season. Only problem will be for him is if it tears again next season, I hope it gets strong and better. Heal and get better Boogie!


Certainly not a career ender, but for a guy that's pushing around as much weight as Cousin's it's not a given that he'll just be back on the court playing like nothing happened.

It's the strongest tendon in the body for a reason. It bears loads up to a ton when running and once ruptured it's very rarely ever back to a 100%.

Once the tendon ruptures, it is usually never back to 100% again. Even in professional sports, 36% of NFL or NBA players sustaining an Achilles tendon rupture never return to pro sports, and those who do usually take about a year before they are playing competitively. Additionally, players who do return typically have a decrease in their power of about 50% and only play for an average of 3-4 more seasons.


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Post#276 » by anish23 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:15 am

this is the saddest thing to happen all year...

pels were starting to get it going... damnit. also i really hope they dont blow it up or anything and wait it out, AD and Cuz are such a pleasing sight to the eye when playing together. wish him good recovery. he will be missed.
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Post#277 » by itrsteve » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:17 am

Watched this live before bed and it didn’t seem bad at the time. Man I hate this for him and New Orleans, it seemed like the past few weeks they started really clicking and were able to finally able to start shutting the critics up and play solid team ball. Plus, it was the first time where it looked like he was playing with purpose instead of running through the motions.

Call me nuts, but this could be what keeps him in New Orleans as a UFA, seeing their full potential and then getting it ripped away.
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Post#278 » by Slava » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:30 am

DaddyCool19 wrote:Whats the best case contract wise for him? I think Rudy Gay had the same injury in January last year and was ready for this season.

Does he take a risk and signs a 1+1 year Player Option max and proves his worth to sign a bigger deal in 2019. Or does he take the longest deal the Pelicans offer him even if there is a team option?


I think the Pelicans will offer him a 5 year max and he'll take it. The same reason they offered Holiday a near max contract, they are over the cap and have few other options.
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Post#279 » by vxmike » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:04 pm

bullsaficianado wrote:Why are people saying this is career ending? It's not. It's just a torn achilles, he will have to have surgery and walk in a boot to allow it to heal. They usually heal after 6 months if properly cared for and treated. I see no reason why he won't be ready to play next season. Only problem will be for him is if it tears again next season, I hope it gets strong and better. Heal and get better Boogie!


Uh are you serious? It's the worst basketball injury possible. Yes it's routine for regular people who just need to walk or play rec sports, but pro athletes are never the same. Not even close.
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Post#280 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:41 pm

Max money is so high now that max-contract guys don't really NEED absolutely top dollar unless:
-- They're utter spendthrifts.
-- They have big business ambitions.
-- They have big charitable ambitions.
-- It's central to their self-esteem.

I'm not aware of Boogie fitting any of those criteria. So I'm guessing he and the Pelicans will indeed be able to agree on an extension of some kind.

I'm guessing the deal will be max salary, but any option years will be for the team's benefit, not for the player's.
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