Trade Season Thread, 2017-18 – Deadline: Thurs, Feb. 8, 3PM, EST

leper-con · Post #1841 » by **leper-con** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 4:50 pm

CelticsPride18 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

I take this to mean that Danny and CBS believe that we can make a legitimate push to get into the finals.
unfortunately, it has been a bad luck year with the Season opening injury, or watch out C's.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1842 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 4:50 pm

This reminds me of the deadline a few years back when Reggie Jackson, Brandon Knight, MCW etc. were all traded, we got IT, Lawson went nowhere.

A lot of interesting pieces in play, and some GMs are going to get it really right, others really wrong.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #1843 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 4:51 pm

VeryMuchWoke wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Yeah, Leroux argued the Celtics got worse in both the near term and long term. Just a terrible take. He seems to strongly dislike the Celtics, partially due to the rabid fan base, and i think it often bleeds through into his analysis.

Re: Gordon, I cant see Orlando not demanding the Memphis pick from us. I hope Im wrong, but thats what I’d ask for if I were them. I think, push came to shove, id do it, but im not fully confident in my answer right now.

Danny doesn't dislike the Celtics or any team. He picks on Celtics fans for being delusional at times, but we all know that is true.

He either dislikes the Celtics or he's a moron. Take your pick.

Why not both? :lol:

Higgs Boston · Post #1844 » by **Higgs Boston** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 4:57 pm

I would love him in the Celtics, but the team can't assume Gordon salary next year, too much money.

The Corey's · Post #1845 » by **The Corey's** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 4:57 pm

No minor deal is going to fix the secondary scoring issue.

Not that I believe any of those tools in those tweets.

Monroe can help with the rebounding and interior defense over someone like baynes but he isn't helping the scoring issue. In fact he could make it worse.

Give me Monroe and a 20 point scorer off the bench and now we're talking

chrisab123 · Post #1846 » by **chrisab123** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:03 pm

People have been waiting for the Cavs to have injury issues. They finally have a ton and some people want to stand pat. Doesn't make a lot of sense. Monroe is the first domino to fall and hopefully not the last. Unless he finally goes to NOLA then the Celtics need to find another avenue for a big.

Bill Lumbergh · Post #1847 » by **Bill Lumbergh** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:04 pm

VeryMuchWoke wrote:...
For us I think it could be worth the game because he could put us over the top and give us a trade chip for AD (or whoever else may come on the market).

For me, he'd help us this year for sure, but long term, I like Tatum's upside a lot better. Aside from the help this year, his greatest value to us would be, as you say, a trade chip for AD, etc. He's going to get paid a lot. He's more a better version of Otto Porter than a first or second option guy. He's much better as a 4, pretty mediocre as a 3. Al likes playing 4, Tatum is a good small ball 4 (the more so as he fills out). Hayward will be back NLT next year.

Much as it would be nice for this year, I don't know that it makes sense to pay this guy the big money he'll get, given our roster construction, unless of course, he's brought on as more of a trade chip. That's a risky move financially, I think. Then again, if the price is low enough, like Smart and our first, he's probably the best available. We'd be so stacked with young, athletic talent. Rozier coming on makes Smart expendable to me, and besides, it's been my opinion forever that Smart's not much of a PG because he can't beat his guy off the bounce and collapse the defense to kick out, without even going into his shooting issues.

I guess I've talked myself into this for the right price. The issue is, they're probably looking for more than Smart and a late first. Not sure Danny would go as far as Smart and the Memphis pick. And again, I think we'd go well into taxpayer land next year if we sign him to big money. Tough decisions management has. Talent-wise, he's probably best available right now.

Scarletfire81 · Post #1848 » by **Scarletfire81** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:11 pm

I'm not sure what is meant by minor move. Is trading for Evans looked at as minor?

tfmiii · Post #1849 » by **tfmiii** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:13 pm

Scarletfire81 wrote:I'm not sure what is meant by minor move. Is trading for Evans looked at as minor?

Yes, minor meaning does not involve core Celtic rotation players

Post #1850 » by **sully00** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:14 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:
Moose23 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Don't have any info but I think Aaron Gordon might be a target. Rumors are that the Magic are gauging interest in Gordon across the league. Seems like a player Ainge might be interested in especially since the Celtics have limited options for next year as far as obtaining new players. Gordon would also fit the Celtics nicely. Don't know if Ainge would want to pay him next year a huge contract though.

Just speculation.

I flip back and forth on if team should move al to PF or keep him at Center.

I find he is at his best at the PF spot, adding someone like Gordon forces him to remain at center.

Well Al is the 11th highest paid player, I think Hayward is the 4th highest paid player in the NBA this year.

So if we traded for Aaron Gordon we'd need to move Al for an expiring or some cap relief.

Our owners didn't really pay any luxury tax during the entire last championship run. CLE alone payed more last year than they did for the entire 4-5 year period. But even CLE would blink at having 3 maxes and Aaron Gordon who will absolutetly be a max player.

He's what everyone is looking to build around 22 year old 6'9 versatile PF. Who can hit the 3, play defense, rebound, ect.

For reference, he's only 1 year older than Jaylen Brown. This is absolutely a massive mistake to let him go by the Magic for anything short of a known top 5 pick in next year's draft. But I guess they just looked at Oladipo and decided they can double down.

This is completely untrue. Wyc and Co. paid the lux tax for 6 straight years while KG was here, they had payrolls that went from 2nd-5th highest in the league and 8th in total luxury tax payments in the history of the league. They have not had to pay 4 years.

Everything is is relation to itself beyond the rule changes what was a 15 mil contract 5 years ago is now 25 mil. So while Horford and Hayward have real max deal Kyrie does not he makes 9 mil less than Horford and 11 mil less than Hayward and Horford and Irving deals are in sink. Now is actually the time to add another expensive piece while Brown and Tatum are on rookie deals.

While Boston will be reluctant to be stupid about it they will be willing to pay the 10-15 mil in taxes necessary to maintain a title contender. While the league has revised down some of the cap increases expected over the next few years they are still dramatic and seem to be heading towards 120 mil 2022 which is a 20 million dollar increase. Nobody understands the financials of the league better than Boston.

He is interesting take story on the situation.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/celtics-trade-rumors-news-marcus-smart-contract-free-agency-draft-pick-julius-randle-rodney-hood/k3r8qz4gs16u1e0d2gprlqbl4

tfmiii · Post #1851 » by **tfmiii** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:17 pm

A bit stunned by all the A Gordon lust, yes he has amazing athleticism that can make you go wow but is due a pay day and doesn't address a need... sure, in a vacuum who wouldn't like him but that is hardly relevant

<ducks head>

Captain_Caveman · Post #1852 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:18 pm

Problem with minor deals at the deadline is that there are so many dumb teams willing to overpay. Look at the Raptors. They have zero chance to ever win a title but even making the Finals would be like winning a championship.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1853 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:19 pm

tfmiii wrote:A bit stunned by all the A Gordon lust, yes he has amazing athleticism that can make you go wow but is due a pay day and doesn't address a need... sure, in a vacuum who wouldn't like him but that is hardly relevant

<ducks head>

I’d buy low.

GoCeltics123 · Post #1854 » by **GoCeltics123** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:21 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:Problem with minor deals at the deadline is that there are so many dumb teams willing to overpay. Look at the Raptors. They have zero chance to ever win a title but even making the Finals would be like winning a championship.

Wizards are the kings of this. They gave a first for Bogdanovic last year :lol:

Scarletfire81 · Post #1855 » by **Scarletfire81** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:24 pm

tfmiii wrote:A bit stunned by all the A Gordon lust, yes he has amazing athleticism that can make you go wow but is due a pay day and doesn't address a need... sure, in a vacuum who wouldn't like him but that is hardly relevant

<ducks head>

I would be curious to see how much better he could be in Brads' system. If they could get him at the right price why not? I still dont see Orlando doing it but if your the celtics why not kick the tires.

Post #1856 » by **sully00** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:26 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
tfmiii wrote:A bit stunned by all the A Gordon lust, yes he has amazing athleticism that can make you go wow but is due a pay day and doesn't address a need... sure, in a vacuum who wouldn't like him but that is hardly relevant

<ducks head>

I’d buy low.

In the article I linked above it talks about Boston's need to generate salary for trade purposes to go after an Anthony Davis or Kawhi Leonard and not have to overpay in talent because of a lack of salary. Smart was a candidate for this but his play just doesn't justify the money, so Boston may look to acquire a Randle, Hood, or Gordon to essentially turn into a Tobias Harris or Vitor Oladipo type trade ballast.

Captain_Caveman · Post #1857 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:28 pm

sully00 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
tfmiii wrote:A bit stunned by all the A Gordon lust, yes he has amazing athleticism that can make you go wow but is due a pay day and doesn't address a need... sure, in a vacuum who wouldn't like him but that is hardly relevant

<ducks head>

I’d buy low.

In the article I linked above it talks about Boston's need to generate salary for trade purposes to go after an Anthony Davis or Kawhi Leonard and not have to overpay in talent because of a lack of salary. Smart was a candidate for this but his play just doesn't justify the money, so Boston may look to acquire a Randle, Hood, or Gordon to essentially turn into a Tobias Harris or Vitor Oladipo type trade ballast.

That’s why I want to use the DPE on an impending MLE like Monroe. He gets a couple of million more to go back to New Orleans this summer.

watsonthedragon · Post #1858 » by **watsonthedragon** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:30 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
tfmiii wrote:A bit stunned by all the A Gordon lust, yes he has amazing athleticism that can make you go wow but is due a pay day and doesn't address a need... sure, in a vacuum who wouldn't like him but that is hardly relevant

<ducks head>

I’d buy low.

This was floated our there by Bernardoni (u/dangercart on reddit):

Smart and Morris plus some less valuable non-Grizzlies 1sts and we take on Terrance Ross’s contract from the Magic as well with Gordon.

Curious what people thought about that.

Banks2Pierce · Post #1859 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:31 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:Problem with minor deals at the deadline is that there are so many dumb teams willing to overpay. Look at the Raptors. They have zero chance to ever win a title but even making the Finals would be like winning a championship.

Wizards are the kings of this. They gave a first for Bogdanovic last year

You shouldn't do this if you are the Wiz or Raptors. '10 Celtics or something, though? Maybe. Put 2018 Tyreke on that team and it may be the difference. We are obviously in between those two examples. Hayward makes it tougher to call.

CelticsPride18 · Post #1860 » by **CelticsPride18** » Fri Feb 2, 2018 5:31 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
sully00 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
I’d buy low.

In the article I linked above it talks about Boston's need to generate salary for trade purposes to go after an Anthony Davis or Kawhi Leonard and not have to overpay in talent because of a lack of salary. Smart was a candidate for this but his play just doesn't justify the money, so Boston may look to acquire a Randle, Hood, or Gordon to essentially turn into a Tobias Harris or Vitor Oladipo type trade ballast.

That’s why I want to use the DPE on an impending MLE like Monroe. He gets a couple of million more to go back to New Orleans this summer.

But if no trade materializes you are stuck with Monroe at 10m for 3 seasons.