2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

[dakomish23]

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Had previously posted

Randle to DAL
WHG / filler to LAL
Noel to NY

WHG isn’t expiring but he’s cheap

Eff that. We don't need to help either of those teams for Noel. I don't trust that guy will ever see 60 games a year. And he's an expiring who held out and didn't get a damn dime. I would keep WHG any day of the week over him

You’re probanly right but I’m holding out hope that he’s going to bounce back to the guy he was. Defensive instincts were great

[HarthorneWingo]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/6-knicks-players-moved-article-1.3793726?utm_content=buffer67711&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter

Michael Beasley

There hasn’t been much interest in Beasley and, even if there was, the Knicks think very highly of a player that has exceeded expectations. Player development VP Craig Robinson is especially big on Beasley and the Knicks may even dip into their mid level to re-sign him over the summer. Here’s the key with that negotiation, however: don’t give more than a one-year deal.

[El Poochio]

Here from the AG thread

I would give up our top 3 protected first round pick for AG but Magic prolly asks for Frank too and maybe more so talks over

[thebuzzardman]

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Had previously posted

Randle to DAL
WHG / filler to LAL
Noel to NY

WHG isn’t expiring but he’s cheap

Eff that. We don't need to help either of those teams for Noel. I don't trust that guy will ever see 60 games a year. And he's an expiring who held out and didn't get a damn dime. I would keep WHG any day of the week over him

I love trades where the Knicks get the sh*ttiest player

[thebuzzardman]

That's how I see willy. Vuc is his ceiling. Don't see him as learning defense. That's why I said send him to Portland for their first. It'll be 20s, but who knows

And my thing with Willy is.... There aren't many teams out there who function as a good defensive unit with a poor defensive big man getting major minutes. Really the only one I can think of is SA and they have elite coaching and LMA is good enough that he's passable on that end...That's why I have no hope for him. Having poor defensive big men strains you everywhere else. Like normally I think we could get away with playing KP at the 4 if our 5 was like a DAJ mobile type good defensive big... Instead we throw Kanter and Willy out there and KP feels the need to over help because of it and we hemorrhage open 3s as a result... You can live with bad perimeter defenders. You can't live with bad big men on that end IMO.

And this is where I'm torn with kanter. I like him because of his effort and mentality he brings to the environment of the knicks, but he's not athletic enough to compensate for his defensive woes. But he also makes other teams pay, as a net gain, if they have weak interior defenses.

That's why I said in the Jordan thread, I love him for the fit and need, but he doesn't fit the plan

Basically agree. To go with what I've said in a few other topics

Knicks are stuck with the $ allocated to Kanter and Noah. It's just life - both are overpaid, Noah grossly so, Kanter somewhat so.
Just play them. Both.

I think KOQ and WHG, combined, wind up costing, as a guess, between 10 and 13 million per year combined - something like 8 million per for KOQ (his last chance at a good NBA payday) and WHG, say, 2-4 million (4 obviously being the high side). So 10 million for the pair seems about right.

Kanter should really be being paid, what? I mean, a guy is worth whatever someone will pay, but I don't think because OKC overpaid him, that's his floor. So, what would be reasonable? 15 million? Especially to "stay in the city he loves?"
At that point, Kanter is only 5 million more. Then roll with a Kanter/KP/Some young PF as the main 3 man big rotation.

Or just let Kanter walk and pocket the $

Either way, Knicks just need to move on from KOQ and WHG. WHG isn't even going to get playing time if the Knicks can't move Noah but play him

[Knicksfan20]

Knicks trade Joakim Noah and Lance Thomas for Chandler Parsons. Would u do it? An even worse contract that Noah but can still play basketball. Get rid of Lance. Salaries are even. Just a lateral move to trade 2 useless players for 1.

[ChaosHamster]

SHOULD WE TRADE FOR GORDON?!?!?!?

hell no. He was awful when Magic tried to play him at SF. And you can't play him at PF here.

Plus hes been coming down to earth with his 3 ball lately. Shooting like 25% for the last 20 games..

And you have to pay him 20+ mil longterm..

Just bring Elfrid here for Willy and CHI 2nd if Magic don't want to pay him. Just force him to cut his hair.

[br7knicks]

And my thing with Willy is.... There aren't many teams out there who function as a good defensive unit with a poor defensive big man getting major minutes. Really the only one I can think of is SA and they have elite coaching and LMA is good enough that he's passable on that end...That's why I have no hope for him. Having poor defensive big men strains you everywhere else. Like normally I think we could get away with playing KP at the 4 if our 5 was like a DAJ mobile type good defensive big... Instead we throw Kanter and Willy out there and KP feels the need to over help because of it and we hemorrhage open 3s as a result... You can live with bad perimeter defenders. You can't live with bad big men on that end IMO.

And this is where I'm torn with kanter. I like him because of his effort and mentality he brings to the environment of the knicks, but he's not athletic enough to compensate for his defensive woes. But he also makes other teams pay, as a net gain, if they have weak interior defenses.

That's why I said in the Jordan thread, I love him for the fit and need, but he doesn't fit the plan

Basically agree. To go with what I've said in a few other topics

Knicks are stuck with the $ allocated to Kanter and Noah. It's just life - both are overpaid, Noah grossly so, Kanter somewhat so.
Just play them. Both.

I think KOQ and WHG, combined, wind up costing, as a guess, between 10 and 13 million per year combined - something like 8 million per for KOQ (his last chance at a good NBA payday) and WHG, say, 2-4 million (4 obviously being the high side). So 10 million for the pair seems about right.

Kanter should really be being paid, what? I mean, a guy is worth whatever someone will pay, but I don't think because OKC overpaid him, that's his floor. So, what would be reasonable? 15 million? Especially to "stay in the city he loves?"
At that point, Kanter is only 5 million more. Then roll with a Kanter/KP/Some young PF as the main 3 man big rotation.

Or just let Kanter walk and pocket the $

Either way, Knicks just need to move on from KOQ and WHG. WHG isn't even going to get playing time if the Knicks can't move Noah but play him

i like oquinn the most out of the centers. but he's one of the more tradable ones, and he makes little sense to keep. i do think noah helps with the environment of defense first for this team (or, did help), but he's just so bad at basketball.

[TheDavinciCHODE]

Our 1st and Chicago's 2nd plus cap relief for AG. Do it.

[Cookies4Life]

Our 1st and Chicago's 2nd plus cap relief for AG. Do it.

That deal should be able to get it done. I wonder what this team would be able to get with that kind of package outside of Gordon. Especially when most teams are debating going into tank mode that are in the middle of the playoff pack (i.e. Portland, Washington, etc.,) that 1st rounder this year would be very valuable to their rebuilding efforts.

I think guys like Lillard and Wall could potentially be available if the Knicks were dangling their unprotected 1st rounder this year. I'm a bit ambivalent to the move though, it would have to be a game changing type of player.

[thebuzzardman]

And this is where I'm torn with kanter. I like him because of his effort and mentality he brings to the environment of the knicks, but he's not athletic enough to compensate for his defensive woes. But he also makes other teams pay, as a net gain, if they have weak interior defenses.

That's why I said in the Jordan thread, I love him for the fit and need, but he doesn't fit the plan

Basically agree. To go with what I've said in a few other topics

Knicks are stuck with the $ allocated to Kanter and Noah. It's just life - both are overpaid, Noah grossly so, Kanter somewhat so.
Just play them. Both.

I think KOQ and WHG, combined, wind up costing, as a guess, between 10 and 13 million per year combined - something like 8 million per for KOQ (his last chance at a good NBA payday) and WHG, say, 2-4 million (4 obviously being the high side). So 10 million for the pair seems about right.

Kanter should really be being paid, what? I mean, a guy is worth whatever someone will pay, but I don't think because OKC overpaid him, that's his floor. So, what would be reasonable? 15 million? Especially to "stay in the city he loves?"
At that point, Kanter is only 5 million more. Then roll with a Kanter/KP/Some young PF as the main 3 man big rotation.

Or just let Kanter walk and pocket the $

Either way, Knicks just need to move on from KOQ and WHG. WHG isn't even going to get playing time if the Knicks can't move Noah but play him

i like oquinn the most out of the centers. but he's one of the more tradable ones, and he makes little sense to keep. i do think noah helps with the environment of defense first for this team (or, did help), but he's just so bad at basketball.

Don't get me wrong. In a perfect world the Knicks would shed the salaries of Kanter and Noah and go with KOQ and WHG. But that's just not happening. They need to sleep in the 40 million dollar bed they made, so to speak.

KOQ and WHG wind up being casualties of, basically, Phil's bad decisions of Melo's NTC and the disastrous Rose trade. Life sucks. Sorry KOQ and WHG.

[E-Balla]

I just wanted to point out that since the trade rumors started Kemba and Batum have been on a tear. Basically out here proving their real value. Batum is averaging 17.3/5.5/4.9 on 61.4 TS% and Kemba is averaging 28.6/4.0/6.4 on 59.2 TS% and he hasn't had a single game under 20 points (this is a 2-3 week stretch too).

[ChaosHamster]

I just wanted to point out that since the trade rumors started Kemba and Batum have been on a tear. Basically out here proving their real value. Batum is averaging 17.3/5.5/4.9 on 61.4 TS% and Kemba is averaging 28.6/4.0/6.4 on 59.2 TS% and he hasn't had a single game under 20 points (this is a 2-3 week stretch too).

But Noah contract is so much better than Batums..

People were going mad on me when I said Noah and a 1st for Batum and Kemba wasn't a steal.

[ChaosHamster]

****, I just realized Courtney Lee has TWO more years on his deal after this year.

Hes staying..

[Knicksfan1992]

I just wanted to point out that since the trade rumors started Kemba and Batum have been on a tear. Basically out here proving their real value. Batum is averaging 17.3/5.5/4.9 on 61.4 TS% and Kemba is averaging 28.6/4.0/6.4 on 59.2 TS% and he hasn't had a single game under 20 points (this is a 2-3 week stretch too).

Bro but we need to keep that pick. I mean we're going to get someone so good with it...

[E-Balla]

I just wanted to point out that since the trade rumors started Kemba and Batum have been on a tear. Basically out here proving their real value. Batum is averaging 17.3/5.5/4.9 on 61.4 TS% and Kemba is averaging 28.6/4.0/6.4 on 59.2 TS% and he hasn't had a single game under 20 points (this is a 2-3 week stretch too).

Bro but we need to keep that pick. I mean we're going to get someone so good with it...

Those same posters are gonna be the pick's harshest critic and flip on him in 3 years when KP is 25 and they're still not ready to contribute to a winning team.

[KnicksGadfly]

I just wanted to point out that since the trade rumors started Kemba and Batum have been on a tear. Basically out here proving their real value. Batum is averaging 17.3/5.5/4.9 on 61.4 TS% and Kemba is averaging 28.6/4.0/6.4 on 59.2 TS% and he hasn't had a single game under 20 points (this is a 2-3 week stretch too).

But Noah contract is so much better than Batums..

People were going mad on me when I said Noah and a 1st for Batum and Kemba wasn't a steal.

the funny thing is you still think it's a good trade

[E-Balla]

Funny thing is a worse version of Vuc is my absolute ceiling for Willy which is why I want no parts of him going forward. Again if SA offers Slowmo you take it and run. I don't care if the fact it's SA makes people have second thoughts about it... They've whiffed before and I really just don't see it with Willy at all

That's how I see willy. Vuc is his ceiling. Don't see him as learning defense. That's why I said send him to Portland for their first. It'll be 20s, but who knows

And my thing with Willy is.... There aren't many teams out there who function as a good defensive unit with a poor defensive big man getting major minutes. Really the only one I can think of is SA and they have elite coaching and LMA is good enough that he's passable on that end...That's why I have no hope for him. Having poor defensive big men strains you everywhere else. Like normally I think we could get away with playing KP at the 4 if our 5 was like a DAJ mobile type good defensive big... Instead we throw Kanter and Willy out there and KP feels the need to over help because of it and we hemorrhage open 3s as a result... You can live with bad perimeter defenders. You can't live with bad big men on that end IMO.

LMA is a flat out good defender. Always has been. Over the last 3 seasons he's the 2nd best rim defender in terms of raw numbers at his position (KP is #1).

[sol537]

-Noah + THjr + 2018 1st (top 3 protected) + 2nd for Kemba + Batum
-Lee for expiring + pick
-KOQ to New Orleans for 2nd
-Jack to Washington for 2nd

Kanter
KP
Batum
Kemba
Frank

Bench: WHG, Burke, Beasley

NYK makes a run for the playoffs, starts building chemistry for next season. Frank can play off the ball next to Kemba. WHG gets time to develop. KP happy with talent infusion and getting easier shots by playing more minutes with pass-first guys like Batum + Frank. Batum mentors Frank on defense and professionalism.

[Greenie]

SHOULD WE TRADE FOR GORDON?!?!?!?

hell no. He was awful when Magic tried to play him at SF. And you can't play him at PF here.

Plus hes been coming down to earth with his 3 ball lately. Shooting like 25% for the last 20 games..

And you have to pay him 20+ mil longterm..

Just bring Elfrid here for Willy and CHI 2nd if Magic don't want to pay him. Just force him to cut his hair.

You can to play him at PF.
KP is a center