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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#21 » by PhilBlackson » Sat Feb 3, 2018 9:32 pm

Where is this alternative news coming from that we can trade him?!

If so, sure get er done lol sorry NormGod...I would find it kinda funny if he got flipped for Lou Will though but I'd prefer Tyreke or Hood.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#22 » by alienchild » Sat Feb 3, 2018 9:34 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The player that will be available to trade is CJ Miles.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#23 » by JShuttlesworth » Sat Feb 3, 2018 9:38 pm

RaptorsFTL wrote:He's starting to play like himself. To trade him when his value is lowest wouldn't make sense.

I could see him being dealt in the offseason though.


Agreed. Once his new contract kicks in he'll also be easier to trade for cap matching purposes.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#24 » by RonaldArtest » Sat Feb 3, 2018 9:41 pm

He can't be traded until April.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#25 » by Asif16 » Sat Feb 3, 2018 9:42 pm

Lol I thought he can't be traded? If he could be traded all this time, then I wouldve been putting him in trade proposals starting weeks ago lol
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#26 » by MavCarter » Sat Feb 3, 2018 9:44 pm

Unless its from woj/shams/stein/spears take it with a grain of salt. Trade deadline is when everyone becomes insiders
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#27 » by PhilBlackson » Sat Feb 3, 2018 9:45 pm

If he is somehow able to be traded here's hoping we get Tyreke or bring Hood home lol
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#28 » by Mister Ze » Sat Feb 3, 2018 9:47 pm

Well given that he can't be traded I guess this is BS, or we've made him available in the off-season/draft night.

Maybe if Norm has a nice playoff run he nets a FRP?
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Post#29 » by Asif16 » Sat Feb 3, 2018 9:51 pm

MavCarter wrote:Unless its from woj/shams/stein/spears take it with a grain of salt. Trade deadline is when everyone becomes insiders


This scotto dude is actually pretty legit. Can someone actually confirm wether or not we can trade Powell this season
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#30 » by Peja Stojakovic » Sat Feb 3, 2018 9:56 pm

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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#31 » by CaptainCanada » Sat Feb 3, 2018 10:00 pm

Norman Powell is my guy......I don't want him traded from Toronto.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#32 » by Federalies » Sat Feb 3, 2018 10:01 pm

I always thought Powell's contract was more "poison pill" then "untradable"! As in, we could only take back a similar contract to his current salary but the other team has to have the open space to take either his full salary for next year or at least the difference between the two? This was the problem with the Ross and JV extensions! In short, unless the new CBA changed the rule, we could trade him but only in the right circumstances! Happy to be proven wrong though!
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#33 » by mtcan » Sat Feb 3, 2018 10:04 pm

CaptainCanada wrote:Norman Powell is my guy......I don't want him traded from Toronto.

Business is business. I feel bad that he doesn't get the chance in Toronto because we already have the starting 2 guard of the present and foreseeable future...so I hope we can find him a chance to start on another team...and I can name a bunch of team on which he would be an instant starter. And besides...we also got him paid too...so I don't feel nearly as bad especially since finding another home for him would be beneficial for both teams...especially if it improves our present or future.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#34 » by dagger » Sat Feb 3, 2018 10:05 pm

Asif16 wrote:
MavCarter wrote:Unless its from woj/shams/stein/spears take it with a grain of salt. Trade deadline is when everyone becomes insiders


This scotto dude is actually pretty legit. Can someone actually confirm wether or not we can trade Powell this season


I reread Larry Coon's FAQ, and there is some ambiguity, but I believe we can - it's just that the poison pill provision applies. In essence, you have to create an average annual salary of his current salary and his extension - which works out to about $8.7 million. In trading him, his outgoing salary for the receiving team would be $8.7 million, but the Raptors can only take back $1.6 million. So normally, the receiving team has to have either enough cap space or a trade exception to absorb that. For sake of argument, the Bulls are one such team with a lot of cap space. But getting a play worth $1.6m would unlikely do much for the Raptors, except lighten their salaries situation for next year (which is one reason Powell might have been put on the market). However, the Raptors also have the Carroll trade exception which would allow them to take on a bigger salary, so a trade for current value might utilizing cap space and trade exceptions, but you need to have a willing trade partner with the requisite cap/exception flexibility to do that. And of course, this would put the Raptors into a tax position, and not just by a few dollars.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#35 » by Federalies » Sat Feb 3, 2018 10:07 pm

dagger wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
MavCarter wrote:Unless its from woj/shams/stein/spears take it with a grain of salt. Trade deadline is when everyone becomes insiders


This scotto dude is actually pretty legit. Can someone actually confirm wether or not we can trade Powell this season


I reread Larry Coon's FAQ, and there is some ambiguity, but I believe we can - it's just that the poison pill provision applies. In essence, you have to create an average annual salary of his current salary and his extension - which works out to about $8.7 million. In trading him, his outgoing salary for the receiving team would be $8.7 million, but the Raptors can only take back $1.6 million. So normally, the receiving team has to have either enough cap space or a trade exception to absorb that. For sake of argument, the Bulls are one such team with a lot of cap space. But getting a play worth $1.6m would unlikely do much for the Raptors, except lighten their salaries situation for next year (which is one reason Powell might have been put on the market). However, the Raptors also have the Carroll trade exception which would allow them to take on a bigger salary, so a trade for current value might utilizing cap space and trade exceptions, but you need to have a willing trade partner with the requisite cap/exception flexibility to do that. And of course, this would put the Raptors into a tax position, and not just by a few dollars.


Lol, just said that two posts up! Thanks for the double check with Coon though! Cheers!
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#36 » by RaptorsLife » Sat Feb 3, 2018 10:08 pm

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CaptainCanada wrote:Norman Powell is my guy......I don't want him traded from Toronto.

Business is business. I feel bad that he doesn't get the chance in Toronto because we already have the starting 2 guard of the present and foreseeable future...so I hope we can find him a chance to start on another team...and I can name a bunch of team on which he would be an instant starter. And besides...we also got him paid too...so I don't feel nearly as bad especially since finding another home for him would be beneficial for both teams...especially if it improves our present or future.

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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#37 » by CaptainCanada » Sat Feb 3, 2018 10:08 pm

Norman Powell is still a valuable member of the team and he usually plays his best ball in the playoffs.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#38 » by Asif16 » Sat Feb 3, 2018 10:12 pm

dagger wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
MavCarter wrote:Unless its from woj/shams/stein/spears take it with a grain of salt. Trade deadline is when everyone becomes insiders


This scotto dude is actually pretty legit. Can someone actually confirm wether or not we can trade Powell this season


I reread Larry Coon's FAQ, and there is some ambiguity, but I believe we can - it's just that the poison pill provision applies. In essence, you have to create an average annual salary of his current salary and his extension - which works out to about $8.7 million. In trading him, his outgoing salary for the receiving team would be $8.7 million, but the Raptors can only take back $1.6 million. So normally, the receiving team has to have either enough cap space or a trade exception to absorb that. For sake of argument, the Bulls are one such team with a lot of cap space. But getting a play worth $1.6m would unlikely do much for the Raptors, except lighten their salaries situation for next year (which is one reason Powell might have been put on the market). However, the Raptors also have the Carroll trade exception which would allow them to take on a bigger salary, so a trade for current value might utilizing cap space and trade exceptions, but you need to have a willing trade partner with the requisite cap/exception flexibility to do that. And of course, this would put the Raptors into a tax position, and not just by a few dollars.


Thanks for the post. Makes it a bit more clearer now.

Is there any team that we can trade with that fits the circumstance? While also filling a need on the team?
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#39 » by XxIronChainzxX » Sat Feb 3, 2018 10:21 pm

dagger wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
MavCarter wrote:Unless its from woj/shams/stein/spears take it with a grain of salt. Trade deadline is when everyone becomes insiders


This scotto dude is actually pretty legit. Can someone actually confirm wether or not we can trade Powell this season


I reread Larry Coon's FAQ, and there is some ambiguity, but I believe we can - it's just that the poison pill provision applies. In essence, you have to create an average annual salary of his current salary and his extension - which works out to about $8.7 million. In trading him, his outgoing salary for the receiving team would be $8.7 million, but the Raptors can only take back $1.6 million. So normally, the receiving team has to have either enough cap space or a trade exception to absorb that. For sake of argument, the Bulls are one such team with a lot of cap space. But getting a play worth $1.6m would unlikely do much for the Raptors, except lighten their salaries situation for next year (which is one reason Powell might have been put on the market). However, the Raptors also have the Carroll trade exception which would allow them to take on a bigger salary, so a trade for current value might utilizing cap space and trade exceptions, but you need to have a willing trade partner with the requisite cap/exception flexibility to do that. And of course, this would put the Raptors into a tax position, and not just by a few dollars.


I don't think we can pair up the exception with a player to trade. I'll have to check.
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Re: M.Scotto: Toronto made Powell available in trade discussions 

Post#40 » by PhilBlackson » Sat Feb 3, 2018 10:25 pm

Please let there be a Woj bomb about Powell lol
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