Gamethread: Magic @ Heat 02/05

[IllMagic04]

I'm sorry but it is not a disaster if we do not get a top 3 pick. No one can even agree on who that is. It may be a blessing. At 4-7, the Magic could take shots on guys like Trae Young, Porter Jr., JJj - guys who most people here really want.

I don't read people saying "OMG I MUST HAVE BAGLEY". It's all about Young, and he is projected 5-7 right now.

Yes, I would prefer to have a higher pick, and I do support the tank. But to say it is a disaster is super dramatic and false. This is not a case where the Magic miss out on some stud like Porzingis because they picked 4th. This is more of a case where the guy everyone wants would be a bad pick at #1. And maybe the best guy in this draft goes bottom half of the lotto. Call me crazy, but outside of Tatum, I don't see any of the top lotto picks from last year blowing it up - and a lot of that has to do with going to a team ready to head to the Finals (Courtney Lee, anyone?).

The best player so far in last yer's draft went at pick 13.

My point is this - if the Magic clear out the team and play guys like AG/Iwundu/DJ/Birch/Mario plus whomever they acquire - they may win games anyway. Hell, they may be a better team to be quite honest. And these guys need to see that they can play together and win for whatever rookie we draft here to be able to come in and have a foundation to launch off of. That's how basketball works. There is no Lebron in this draft who is going to change a team overnight.

Where a player is projected does not matter. I believe when its all said and done Young will be a top 3 pick. Therefore I want in the top 3. We cant look at mock drafts in February and assume that's how things will end up. We need to get the best odds of getting in the top 3. The only way to do that is lose. If we play the young guys and we still win then Ill accept that. As long as we put effort in tanking I can't complain. But I can and will complain if we are winning games because Dj Augustin and Mo are having good games. Your right it wouldn't be a disaster if we fell out but it would be a disappointment.

[Shady Franchise]

Overreaction when it comes to 1# pick.
Who you even want ? Most of you want Young ,by most mock drafts he isn't even top 3.
Nobody wants Ayton , he is 1# by most mocks.
People want Doncic and he flys from 1# to 7#

I agree that Magic NEED top 3 pick but it won't be end of the world if they don't win lottery .

True. Honestly, I'd rather have two picks in the 3-7 range than one in the 1-3 range.

I think every team would.

[tiderulz]

I'm sorry but it is not a disaster if we do not get a top 3 pick. No one can even agree on who that is. It may be a blessing. At 4-7, the Magic could take shots on guys like Trae Young, Porter Jr., JJj - guys who most people here really want.

I don't read people saying "OMG I MUST HAVE BAGLEY". It's all about Young, and he is projected 5-7 right now.

Yes, I would prefer to have a higher pick, and I do support the tank. But to say it is a disaster is super dramatic and false. This is not a case where the Magic miss out on some stud like Porzingis because they picked 4th. This is more of a case where the guy everyone wants would be a bad pick at #1. And maybe the best guy in this draft goes bottom half of the lotto. Call me crazy, but outside of Tatum, I don't see any of the top lotto picks from last year blowing it up - and a lot of that has to do with going to a team ready to head to the Finals (Courtney Lee, anyone?).

The best player so far in last yer's draft went at pick 13.

My point is this - if the Magic clear out the team and play guys like AG/Iwundu/DJ/Birch/Mario plus whomever they acquire - they may win games anyway. Hell, they may be a better team to be quite honest. And these guys need to see that they can play together and win for whatever rookie we draft here to be able to come in and have a foundation to launch off of. That's how basketball works. There is no Lebron in this draft who is going to change a team overnight.

Exactly.... Donovan Mitchell is the most impressive rookie so far this season.... and people act like draft is a str8 science.... when it is far from it. At the end of the day.... we're gonna each like 4-10 players.... 75% percent of which we are gonna get an "L" on.... and the ones we were "right on" are the ones we will say..."I TOLD YOU SO.... why didn't GM see what i saw and used the ONE pick we had to make that selection" haha

but i will say.... i wanted isaac and a second pick to get mitchell. lol

except you dont judge the draft at the halfway point of the first year

[yoyojw17]

I'm sorry but it is not a disaster if we do not get a top 3 pick. No one can even agree on who that is. It may be a blessing. At 4-7, the Magic could take shots on guys like Trae Young, Porter Jr., JJj - guys who most people here really want.

I don't read people saying "OMG I MUST HAVE BAGLEY". It's all about Young, and he is projected 5-7 right now.

Yes, I would prefer to have a higher pick, and I do support the tank. But to say it is a disaster is super dramatic and false. This is not a case where the Magic miss out on some stud like Porzingis because they picked 4th. This is more of a case where the guy everyone wants would be a bad pick at #1. And maybe the best guy in this draft goes bottom half of the lotto. Call me crazy, but outside of Tatum, I don't see any of the top lotto picks from last year blowing it up - and a lot of that has to do with going to a team ready to head to the Finals (Courtney Lee, anyone?).

The best player so far in last yer's draft went at pick 13.

My point is this - if the Magic clear out the team and play guys like AG/Iwundu/DJ/Birch/Mario plus whomever they acquire - they may win games anyway. Hell, they may be a better team to be quite honest. And these guys need to see that they can play together and win for whatever rookie we draft here to be able to come in and have a foundation to launch off of. That's how basketball works. There is no Lebron in this draft who is going to change a team overnight.

Exactly.... Donovan Mitchell is the most impressive rookie so far this season.... and people act like draft is a str8 science.... when it is far from it. At the end of the day.... we're gonna each like 4-10 players.... 75% percent of which we are gonna get an "L" on.... and the ones we were "right on" are the ones we will say..."I TOLD YOU SO.... why didn't GM see what i saw and used the ONE pick we had to make that selection" haha

but i will say.... i wanted isaac and a second pick to get mitchell. lol

except you dont judge the draft at the halfway point of the first year

NOTE.... i said "most impressive so far"... that is me giving the understanding that that might be the case in the future! I will never make a remark such as.... "Mitchell is obviously the best player to have come out of the draft".

Remember... i'm not one that complains about stuff quickly.... especially since I am still one of the few that rode with Hezonja for the last 3 years that people shi**ed on... and stand by the fact he will be a top player from that draft. BUT... the purpose of my comment still stands.... everyone talks the talk... but forgets that they were spewing how great x,y, or z were the picks to be made.... but will say how much they loved the 1 player of 15 that they liked that panned out and we should have gotten him. Then crucify the GMs.... for their failed picks as though it was oh so obvious.

[PennytoShaq]

Overreaction when it comes to 1# pick.
Who you even want ? Most of you want Young ,by most mock drafts he isn't even top 3.
Nobody wants Ayton , he is 1# by most mocks.
People want Doncic and he flys from 1# to 7#

I agree that Magic NEED top 3 pick but it won't be end of the world if they don't win lottery .

Exactly. And trading back is not easy when there is no clear cut #1. Last year fultz was pretty much the guy. Its just not worth people flipping out about.

[PennytoShaq]

I'm sorry but it is not a disaster if we do not get a top 3 pick. No one can even agree on who that is. It may be a blessing. At 4-7, the Magic could take shots on guys like Trae Young, Porter Jr., JJj - guys who most people here really want.

I don't read people saying "OMG I MUST HAVE BAGLEY". It's all about Young, and he is projected 5-7 right now.

Yes, I would prefer to have a higher pick, and I do support the tank. But to say it is a disaster is super dramatic and false. This is not a case where the Magic miss out on some stud like Porzingis because they picked 4th. This is more of a case where the guy everyone wants would be a bad pick at #1. And maybe the best guy in this draft goes bottom half of the lotto. Call me crazy, but outside of Tatum, I don't see any of the top lotto picks from last year blowing it up - and a lot of that has to do with going to a team ready to head to the Finals (Courtney Lee, anyone?).

The best player so far in last yer's draft went at pick 13.

My point is this - if the Magic clear out the team and play guys like AG/Iwundu/DJ/Birch/Mario plus whomever they acquire - they may win games anyway. Hell, they may be a better team to be quite honest. And these guys need to see that they can play together and win for whatever rookie we draft here to be able to come in and have a foundation to launch off of. That's how basketball works. There is no Lebron in this draft who is going to change a team overnight.

Exactly.... Donovan Mitchell is the most impressive rookie so far this season.... and people act like draft is a str8 science.... when it is far from it. At the end of the day.... we're gonna each like 4-10 players.... 75% percent of which we are gonna get an "L" on.... and the ones we were "right on" are the ones we will say..."I TOLD YOU SO.... why didn't GM see what i saw and used the ONE pick we had to make that selection" haha

but i will say.... i wanted isaac and a second pick to get mitchell. lol

except you dont judge the draft at the halfway point of the first year

Sure but a ton of people here do just that all the time. And that was not even the point anyway.

[tiderulz]

Exactly.... Donovan Mitchell is the most impressive rookie so far this season.... and people act like draft is a str8 science.... when it is far from it. At the end of the day.... we're gonna each like 4-10 players.... 75% percent of which we are gonna get an "L" on.... and the ones we were "right on" are the ones we will say..."I TOLD YOU SO.... why didn't GM see what i saw and used the ONE pick we had to make that selection" haha

but i will say.... i wanted isaac and a second pick to get mitchell. lol

except you dont judge the draft at the halfway point of the first year

Sure but a ton of people here do just that all the time. And that was not even the point anyway.

you said the best player in the draft so far. But a team shouldnt look for the best player immediately, they should look for the best player overall. Hence Dwight over Okafor. Okafor was the better player for years 1 and 2, then Dwight really starting coming on from his development. So it is better to have the higher pick and choices, rather than hope you made the best choice of limited options.

[PennytoShaq]

except you dont judge the draft at the halfway point of the first year

Sure but a ton of people here do just that all the time. And that was not even the point anyway.

you said the best player in the draft so far. But a team shouldnt look for the best player immediately, they should look for the best player overall. Hence Dwight over Okafor. Okafor was the better player for years 1 and 2, then Dwight really starting coming on from his development. So it is better to have the higher pick and choices, rather than hope you made the best choice of limited options.

This draft is nothing like dwight v okafor in any way.

[axl_c_cool]

We need the highest pick possible, this rebuild has stalled because of not having a choice of drafting who we wanted. If we tanked right and didn't trade our young players we could be looking at

Porzingis/Vucevic
Gordon
Harris
Oladipo/Fournier
Payton

[PennytoShaq]

We need the highest pick possible, this rebuild has stalled because of not having a choice of drafting who we wanted. If we tanked right and didn't trade our young players we could be looking at

Porzingis/Vucevic
Gordon
Harris
Oladipo/Fournier
Payton

That's basically impossible if you do simple math and look at salaries.

So who do we want? That's the question no one seems to be able to answer.

[axl_c_cool]

We need the highest pick possible, this rebuild has stalled because of not having a choice of drafting who we wanted. If we tanked right and didn't trade our young players we could be looking at

Porzingis/Vucevic
Gordon
Harris
Oladipo/Fournier
Payton

That's basically impossible if you do simple math and look at salaries.

So who do we want? That's the question no one seems to be able to answer.

It wouldn't have been impossible if we resigned an didn't trade them

[PennytoShaq]

We need the highest pick possible, this rebuild has stalled because of not having a choice of drafting who we wanted. If we tanked right and didn't trade our young players we could be looking at

Porzingis/Vucevic
Gordon
Harris
Oladipo/Fournier
Payton

That's basically impossible if you do simple math and look at salaries.

So who do we want? That's the question no one seems to be able to answer.

It wouldn't have been impossible if we resigned an didn't trade them

Really? Porzingis would be a max player you have to plan for. Can't lose him.

Oladipo wanted a max from Orlando

Harris gets 16 a year

Fournier gets 17

AG will get 20.

Explain to me how that works

[axl_c_cool]

That's basically impossible if you do simple math and look at salaries.

So who do we want? That's the question no one seems to be able to answer.

It wouldn't have been impossible if we resigned an didn't trade them

Really? Porzingis would be a max player you have to plan for. Can't lose him.

Oladipo wanted a max from Orlando

Harris gets 16 a year

Fournier gets 17

AG will get 20.

Explain to me how that works

We'd be in the luxury tax, no team has won a championship out of it

[PennytoShaq]

It wouldn't have been impossible if we resigned an didn't trade them

Really? Porzingis would be a max player you have to plan for. Can't lose him.

Oladipo wanted a max from Orlando

Harris gets 16 a year

Fournier gets 17

AG will get 20.

Explain to me how that works

We'd be in the luxury tax, no team has won a championship out of it

You think?? And we have not even signed a bench yet. And that team doesnt win a title anyway. It makes no sense.

[axl_c_cool]

Really? Porzingis would be a max player you have to plan for. Can't lose him.

Oladipo wanted a max from Orlando

Harris gets 16 a year

Fournier gets 17

AG will get 20.

Explain to me how that works

We'd be in the luxury tax, no team has won a championship out of it

You think?? And we have not even signed a bench yet. And that team doesnt win a title anyway. It makes no sense.

Not for 2-3 years potentially, the bench could easily fill out or be drafted