GT: Orlando Dennies @ Miami Hot Boyos - Feb 5th @ 7:30 goodboy time

[bobbeaver]

There was a question back than in the trade Winslow or Hezonja, who s better. Winslow had the upper hand till now, had a better overall game. But this year for last 2-3 months or so Hezonja has been getting his stride. Relaxed on the court getting confident. His lvl of play has steadily gone up aswell in that time filling the statline. It is, after dropping Oladipo , one of Magics dumbest ideas to not pick up his option. He plays within the rythem of the game. He was a major factor in ur L today, but you guys shouldnt be that surprised by his performance.

Hezonja is not a good player for us because of his defense. He definitely can shoot 3's but we have Wayne (0-9) Ellington. Hezonja is right where he needs to be to succeed, on a team without any aspiration to play in the postseason.

You would be wrong about that. He needs a team with a structured play. Orlando is a mess of a franchise. He can go and iso the hell out of teams, like Pistons (28pts) but he plays better in the rythem of the game on an unselfish team.
Id agree his D is not on par what his tools allow him to be. But its honestly miles from his first year, and getting better. Plus Orlando team D is not all that stellar so sometimes he is hung out to dry. His 1v1 D is actually very good. Doesnt help him also that as a natural 3 he is guarding 4s.

[Slot Machine]

It's pathetic the way this team is treating Whiteside. He's clearly our best player but all this organization has done is spread its discontent with him through backchannels, include him in countless trade rumors and then have Spo jerk his minutes around and refuse to play him to end games. It's a joke, honestly.

When we trade him for pennies on the dollar and he balls out with his new team, we'll look like idiots.

He's not our best player, he's our best stats getter. He's not the most helpful in terms of winning. That's why Spo doesn't play him when the game is on the line. He's probably the 3rd best overall (1st in earnings), and it's not like we have a few superstar here.

So who are our two better players? I'd love to hear this.

[PizzaLord305]

It's pathetic the way this team is treating Whiteside. He's clearly our best player but all this organization has done is spread its discontent with him through backchannels, include him in countless trade rumors and then have Spo jerk his minutes around and refuse to play him to end games. It's a joke, honestly.

When we trade him for pennies on the dollar and he balls out with his new team, we'll look like idiots.

He's not our best player, he's our best stats getter. He's not the most helpful in terms of winning. That's why Spo doesn't play him when the game is on the line. He's probably the 3rd best overall (1st in earnings), and it's not like we have a few superstar here.

So who are our two better players? I'd love to hear this.

Dragic and j rich are better overall basketball players when they’re playing at their best. Whiteside is severely limited.

[Slot Machine]

I think you’re all overratig the hell out Hassan whiteside lol, while under emphasizing the obv problems with playing him during important stretches of the game. Ok bring in whiteside down stretch? In comes speights who will bomb 3’s and stretch out our d. I am of the opinion that Hassan SHOULD have been in the game on the initial final possession where j rich missed that awful shot, but not in th closing stretch.

Hassan isn’t someone you can play in 5 minute stretches with the game on the line. Too big and slow. 3 > 2

Not sure where this bizarre notion that mismatches only work one way came from. Yeah, they put Speights in (who is atrocious on defense) and we just pick on that mismatch for as long as he's in. You guys really think Whiteside can't keep up with f*cking Mo Speights on offense? Of course there's certain matchups where Whiteside isn't ideal, I'm not arguing that, it's just that half of the people on here (and Spo apparently) vastly overestimate the amount of not ideal matchups.

Whiteside getting inexplicably benched has been occurring every year his entire tenure here, from the season he broke out until now and the excuses as to why change every year.

Memo Okur didn't cause every traditional center to get benched, give me a break.

[Slot Machine]

He's not our best player, he's our best stats getter. He's not the most helpful in terms of winning. That's why Spo doesn't play him when the game is on the line. He's probably the 3rd best overall (1st in earnings), and it's not like we have a few superstar here.

So who are our two better players? I'd love to hear this.

Dragic and j rich are better overall basketball players when they’re playing at their best. Whiteside is severely limited.

You mean the same Dragic averaging 17 points on below average efficiency while giving zero on the defensive end? None of his metrics paint him as an overall better player.

J-Rich? Sure, I'll give you although his far smaller role on offense than either Whiteside or Dragic makes the comparison hard.

[PizzaLord305]

I think you’re all overratig the hell out Hassan whiteside lol, while under emphasizing the obv problems with playing him during important stretches of the game. Ok bring in whiteside down stretch? In comes speights who will bomb 3’s and stretch out our d. I am of the opinion that Hassan SHOULD have been in the game on the initial final possession where j rich missed that awful shot, but not in th closing stretch.

Hassan isn’t someone you can play in 5 minute stretches with the game on the line. Too big and slow. 3 > 2

Not sure where this bizarre notion that mismatches only work one way came from. Yeah, they put Speights in (who is atrocious on defense) and we just pick on that mismatch for as long as he's in. You guys really think Whiteside can't keep up with f*cking Mo Speights on offense? Of course there's certain matchups where Whiteside isn't ideal, I'm not arguing that, it's just that half of the people on here (and Spo apparently) vastly overestimate the amount of not ideal matchups.

Whiteside getting inexplicably benched has been occurring every year his entire tenure here, from the season he broke out until now and the excuses as to why change every year.

Memo Okur didn't cause every traditional center to get benched, give me a break.

No man, whiteside can’t keep up with mo speights or any stretch big lol. Watch this next game and see if spo trusts him in the game to match up against Ryan Anderson when Houston goes small. It’s not gonna happen. I’ll bet you any amount of money it doesn’t.

[Slot Machine]

I think you’re all overratig the hell out Hassan whiteside lol, while under emphasizing the obv problems with playing him during important stretches of the game. Ok bring in whiteside down stretch? In comes speights who will bomb 3’s and stretch out our d. I am of the opinion that Hassan SHOULD have been in the game on the initial final possession where j rich missed that awful shot, but not in th closing stretch.

Hassan isn’t someone you can play in 5 minute stretches with the game on the line. Too big and slow. 3 > 2

Not sure where this bizarre notion that mismatches only work one way came from. Yeah, they put Speights in (who is atrocious on defense) and we just pick on that mismatch for as long as he's in. You guys really think Whiteside can't keep up with f*cking Mo Speights on offense? Of course there's certain matchups where Whiteside isn't ideal, I'm not arguing that, it's just that half of the people on here (and Spo apparently) vastly overestimate the amount of not ideal matchups.

Whiteside getting inexplicably benched has been occurring every year his entire tenure here, from the season he broke out until now and the excuses as to why change every year.

Memo Okur didn't cause every traditional center to get benched, give me a break.

No man, whiteside can’t keep up with mo speights or any stretch big lol. Watch this next game and see if spo trusts him in the game to match up against Ryan Anderson when Houston goes small. It’s not gonna happen. I’ll bet you any amount of money it doesn’t.

Ryan Anderson plays the large majority of his minutes aside Capela, who Whiteside would be potentially matching up with. If Anderson is playing Center and we want to match up? Sure, Whiteside shouldn't be in because Anderson is one of the few bigs that can run around and shoot off screens. Most other bigs who shoot threes are spot-up bigs with little to no off the dribble game, why would Whiteside not be able to cover them? You guys are conflating me saying Whiteside has less bad matchups than Spo thinks with me thinking he has no bad matchups at all.

But hey, if the Rockets go small with Anderson at C, why don't we put someone even smaller in to cause a bad matchup? Oh wait! But then the Rockets will do the same which is why we see lineups of five 6-foot 3 point shooters because bigger guys can't match up. /s

And yeah, real bold bet. I'm not arguing Spo will trust Whiteside, I'm arguing he should.

[gom]

There was a question back than in the trade Winslow or Hezonja, who s better. Winslow had the upper hand till now, had a better overall game. But this year for last 2-3 months or so Hezonja has been getting his stride. Relaxed on the court getting confident. His lvl of play has steadily gone up aswell in that time filling the statline. It is, after dropping Oladipo , one of Magics dumbest ideas to not pick up his option. He plays within the rythem of the game. He was a major factor in ur L today, but you guys shouldnt be that surprised by his performance.

Hezonja is not a good player for us because of his defense. He definitely can shoot 3's but we have Wayne (0-9) Ellington. Hezonja is right where he needs to be to succeed, on a team without any aspiration to play in the postseason.

You would be wrong about that. He needs a team with a structured play. Orlando is a mess of a franchise. He can go and iso the hell out of teams, like Pistons (28pts) but he plays better in the rythem of the game on an unselfish team.
Id agree his D is not on par what his tools allow him to be. But its honestly miles from his first year, and getting better. Plus Orlando team D is not all that stellar so sometimes he is hung out to dry. His 1v1 D is actually very good. Doesnt help him also that as a natural 3 he is guarding 4s.

How can you say I wrong when you're agreeing with me? His defense is sub-par. It might be fine on Orlando but not in Miami. Go dump Hezonja on another team who doesn't care if he's a revolving door.

[leoshes]

Pat expected Dion to be this teams closer. So our starting 2 guard, & last years starting SF McGruder are both missing. With both of them we would be a much better team.

Nah, let's just ignore that and tank
Edit.

Forgot about Waiters, he will take us to glory /g

If for any miracle he can play like he did in that run, instead of how he started this season. I think he will help. At least enough to be a legit top 4 team in the east. But to get to that next level i believe we will have to trade for that star.

[Bishop45]

On the brightside, Plat group missing star

Don't worry guis, Mion on the way

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

When will Winslow put everything in the same pot, he either focuses on shooting, slashing, getting to the rim or playmaking. Very few games where he does a fair volume of everything. Wish he was free to up that usage at the cost of wins or someone elses usage here or on another team

Watch on YouTube

[PizzaLord305]

Not sure where this bizarre notion that mismatches only work one way came from. Yeah, they put Speights in (who is atrocious on defense) and we just pick on that mismatch for as long as he's in. You guys really think Whiteside can't keep up with f*cking Mo Speights on offense? Of course there's certain matchups where Whiteside isn't ideal, I'm not arguing that, it's just that half of the people on here (and Spo apparently) vastly overestimate the amount of not ideal matchups.

Whiteside getting inexplicably benched has been occurring every year his entire tenure here, from the season he broke out until now and the excuses as to why change every year.

Memo Okur didn't cause every traditional center to get benched, give me a break.

No man, whiteside can’t keep up with mo speights or any stretch big lol. Watch this next game and see if spo trusts him in the game to match up against Ryan Anderson when Houston goes small. It’s not gonna happen. I’ll bet you any amount of money it doesn’t.

Ryan Anderson plays the large majority of his minutes aside Capela, who Whiteside would be potentially matching up with. If Anderson is playing Center and we want to match up? Sure, Whiteside shouldn't be in because Anderson is one of the few bigs that can run around and shoot off screens. Most other bigs who shoot threes are spot-up bigs with little to no off the dribble game, why would Whiteside not be able to cover them? You guys are conflating me saying Whiteside has less bad matchups than Spo thinks with me thinking he has no bad matchups at all.

But hey, if the Rockets go small with Anderson at C, why don't we put someone even smaller in to cause a bad matchup? Oh wait! But then the Rockets will do the same which is why we see lineups of five 6-foot 3 point shooters because bigger guys can't match up. /s

And yeah, real bold bet. I'm not arguing Spo will trust Whiteside, I'm arguing he should.

Lol ok and I’m telling you that Hassan whiteside is too slow to play against stretch bigs or guard out on the perimeter, so it’s a fools errand to play him against a team that can throw out a 3 point shooting big - like the magic can. It’s just simple math, man.

I implore you to go watch YouTube videos of Hassan getting roasted by the likes of Channing Frye, Kevin love, Kelly olynk, Marc gasol, and a few others.

The team is much more versatile when olynk, bam, and jj play as the big men at the end of the game. You’re not breaking new ground here by suggesting whiteside is being wasted on the bench. You don’t see any smart hoop heads on twitter, spo, pat, or anyone with a good opinion of the what the heat should or shouldn’t do present the arguement that Hassan should typically play in crunch time

[bobbeaver]

Hezonja is not a good player for us because of his defense. He definitely can shoot 3's but we have Wayne (0-9) Ellington. Hezonja is right where he needs to be to succeed, on a team without any aspiration to play in the postseason.

You would be wrong about that. He needs a team with a structured play. Orlando is a mess of a franchise. He can go and iso the hell out of teams, like Pistons (28pts) but he plays better in the rythem of the game on an unselfish team.
Id agree his D is not on par what his tools allow him to be. But its honestly miles from his first year, and getting better. Plus Orlando team D is not all that stellar so sometimes he is hung out to dry. His 1v1 D is actually very good. Doesnt help him also that as a natural 3 he is guarding 4s.

How can you say I wrong when you're agreeing with me? His defense is sub-par. It might be fine on Orlando but not in Miami. Go dump Hezonja on another team who doesn't care if he's a revolving door.

No. I said he is not up to his potential. Not that his D is bad let slone subpar. Let alone a revolving door. Its a reading comprihension thing ya know?

[gom]

You would be wrong about that. He needs a team with a structured play. Orlando is a mess of a franchise. He can go and iso the hell out of teams, like Pistons (28pts) but he plays better in the rythem of the game on an unselfish team.
Id agree his D is not on par what his tools allow him to be. But its honestly miles from his first year, and getting better. Plus Orlando team D is not all that stellar so sometimes he is hung out to dry. His 1v1 D is actually very good. Doesnt help him also that as a natural 3 he is guarding 4s.

How can you say I wrong when you're agreeing with me? His defense is sub-par. It might be fine on Orlando but not in Miami. Go dump Hezonja on another team who doesn't care if he's a revolving door.

No. I said he is not up to his potential. Not that his D is bad let slone subpar. Let alone a revolving door. Its a reading comprihension thing ya know?

Oh, wink, wink, it's probably a math problem or a data analysis problem. You don't see it because you're used to a team with execrable defense:

Take this data from NBA.COM and sort it by first column:

https://stats.nba.com/players/opponent-shooting/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=F&sort=Less%20Than%205%20ft.%20FG%20PCT&dir=-1

Here are some of our players (mostly on page 1 and 2 )

DJJ: 54.3, 35.6, 56.3, 40.0, 37.5, 32.9s
Winslow: 56.2, 34.5, 36.8, 42.4, 39.3, 35.1
Richardson: 56.4, 40.7, 40.9, 40.3, 38.2, 35.4
James Johnson: 56.5, 38.7, 39.0, 42.8, 37.5, 35.9
Okaro White: 57.1, 44.4, 40.0, 33.3, 18.2, 45.8
Bam: 59.9, 36.9, 43.7, 38.9, 40.8, 34.1

on page 4 we find Mario Hezonja:

Hezonja: 63.7, 35.8, 45.0, 39.0, 39.7, 36.2

Opponents shoot 63.7% at the basket. He's a layup line.

Also, DRTG of 111 this season.

If you want to talk about reading, by the way, this is what I'm reading at the moment:



^ my nightstand

wink wink

I'm writing about Victorian and Gothic literature, witchcraft, and, of course, as always, clitorides.

[IggieCC]

daaaan gom

[goodboy]

gom is that an ipad or a old book

[gom]

daaaan gom

Starting a screenplay this week too. Exhale. You wonder why I'm up all night on realgm? Now you know why.

[gom]

gom is that an ipad or a old book

All books except my worn kindle paperwhite in front. Most of my books are ebooks. These are all from the library. Literature research books are outrageously expensive. You have to check them out.

I read a lot.

[IggieCC]

daaaan gom

Starting a screenplay this week too. Exhale. You wonder why I'm up all night on realgm? Now you know why.

LOL I was wondering if you're supposed to be on a hiatus gom

But with the trade deadline coming up so close and people coming up with all kinds of crazy trade ideas, I'm glad that you've decided to stick around and be the voice of reason you are. keep it up in gom we trust

[RexBoyWonder]

Legand has it bobbeaver was never seen again

[gom]

Legand has it bobbeaver was never seen again

Instructions for killing vampires:

1. Stake through the heart. Best if you use 3 made of ash.
2. Sever the head.
3. Place holy wafers in the mouth (watch out for gnashing vampire teeth if it suddenly comes to life).
4. Place said severed head in a stream that flows from the due north, in such a way that it receives north-flowing water on its chin.

The most interesting thing about Dracula for me, though, is that it was written a month after Oscar Wilde was convicted of sodomy. I had no idea they knew each other, but Oscar Wilde and Bram Stoker were friends from the theater district and, later, rivals. I'm going to reread it soon (on ebook, of course.) Last night, I read Polidori's original vampire story (well, it's several stories, or a letter and two stories). It's not very long, so I read most of it on my walk. Scary stuff, man... especially when you're walking along in pitch dark and something moves in the underbrush.