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Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6

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What is Aaron Gordon worth?

$25-29m a year ($29m is max)
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$20-25m a year
6
10%
$18-20m a year
11
19%
$15-18m a year
19
33%
$12-15m a year
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31%
Less than $12m a year
4
7%
 
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#581 » by AtheJ415 » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:05 pm

darealjuice wrote:Well, 5 hours left to see if McDonough has any rabbits in his hat to patch up our point guard spot outside of Booker. It won’t be easy for anyone to watch a Ulis/Gray back court the rest of the year.


I don't think PG is as urgent as some. Reason being we are actually pretty set on the wing, which is the toughest position to find. Between Booker, Jackson, and Warren, we are solid at the 2/3, particularly if Reed can prove he is a capable backup.

Thus, we need a star and have 2 gaping holes at PG and one of the big spots (I think Bender's recent showings at C mean you could go PF as easily as C). There is 1 stud PG in this next class in Young. There are also likely to be a number of PG's hitting FA in the next 2 offseasons or else moved via trade this season or next (Kemba, maybe Lillard, IT, Goran, etc.), and thus we probably want to maintain flexibility to grab one when needed. We know PG is an undervalued commodity in the NBA, so it shouldn't be that costly to trade for any of those guys or sign them aside from Lillard. With Booker's play, you could even grab a star 2 guard or SF and shift Booker and Jackson down a spot.

In my opinion, you role with Booker there the rest of the year and then add somebody worth adding rather than giving anything up for a stopgap 30 games when the team's best interest is to lose.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6 

Post#582 » by Saberestar » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:09 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:One thing to keep in mind with trading for impending FA's is them coming here for these last 30 games might do more harm than good as far as trying to get them inked this summer. Will guys really enjoy their time playing on a bad team for a coaching staff that most likely will be gone this summer (a front off that should be too)? Might be a good idea to keep guys as far from this mess as possible.

Yeah, that is true. If we are not gonna have McDonough or/and Triano here next season trade for a player now is a bad idea.
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Post#583 » by BobbieL » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:16 pm

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Bradley's cap hold would be 150% of his current salary so around $13.5M so that plan of signing other FA's first really doesn't work. Heck I don't think giving Bradley that much money would be a good idea.

I just don't think a 1st rounder is worth a 30 game look at Bradley. As we're seeing 1st are being valued highly so why not keep that ammunition until this summer and use it then if they feel they can't add more rookies. I'm not so sure they shouldn't just use that pick hell we see guys like Dejonte Murray playing well he was picked 29th. If you have a GM with a good eye for talent you can get players with those later picks.

This team sucks and I totally get anyone wanting them to add a real player or two as soon as possible. And if they want to roll the dice and spend a second rounder or two on a guy today that's fine but I still believe the best route to get better is waiting until this summer to do so.


Mudiay for two seconds
move Daniels - he is on a cheap contract - but if you are taking back Mudiay you just lost 3m of cap space and every dollar counts

The Suns will have about 24m of cap space if Len is not brought back and Canaan renounced under this scenario of Mudiay in and Daniels out

Woj did mention that the Pacers would be willing to trade Jefferson for cap space - but not sure he is worth the pick and he does have 4m guaranteed - I think for that, I hold on to Chandler and the pick for 9.5m of cap space this summer.


I'd be good with that type of Mudiay deal. Frankly I don't think he's good but it might be worth a calculated risk to look at a guy who does have some talent and we have the minutes to give him the rest of the way.

I agree that I wouldn't trade a 1st to get off Chandlers salary right now. Their best path to a quick turn around might be to use Chandler and Dudley's expirings plus draft assets to grab a highly paid guy in a trade this summer then use the 24M in cap space to grab a FA or two. The top end of the FA class just isn't deep enough and it's so unlikely that a guy like George would sign here there's not reason to worry about creating too much more space right now.


This summers free agent class is not very good at all. Nobody worth maxing out from what I can tell. Dudley and Chandler come off the books in 2019 - that is 23m of cap space right there.

As I said earlier - the Suns without Len /Canaan is 24m this summer. Even if they trade for Mudiay but keep Daniels - Daniels is expiring in the summer 2019. Williams is not guaranteed 2019/2020 -meaning I think they can pick up options one year at a time. Knight will only have one year left and either he is better or he sucks and you stretch waive him.

Point being - the Suns can probably get to 30 to 35m of cap space between Chandler, Dudley, Williams (sorry Sauce) Daniels and stretching Knight next summer - that's a max player. So, use your cap space wisely this summer - maybe even keep a few million for flexibility , draft well and start to get better and use those three expiring contracts if need be to get the right player with first round picks as trade assets. The Suns have 7 first rounders through 2021 if you include Milwaukee- however that conveys. So you don't need to keep them all but 2 or 3 can be used wisely
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Post#584 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:18 pm

Saberestar wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:One thing to keep in mind with trading for impending FA's is them coming here for these last 30 games might do more harm than good as far as trying to get them inked this summer. Will guys really enjoy their time playing on a bad team for a coaching staff that most likely will be gone this summer (a front off that should be too)? Might be a good idea to keep guys as far from this mess as possible.

Yeah, that is true. If we are not gonna have McDonough or/and Triano here next season trade for a player now is a bad idea.


Yup. Plus think of the mental aspect for guys like Tyreke or Bradley where they are hearing rumors that these contenders are trying to trade for them and they are getting excited about a chance to play in the playoffs then all the sudden they get dealt to one of the worst teams in the league with nothing to play for and a bunch of kids around them making mistakes. They probably won't come in here all that happy or motivated by anything other than trying to get their own stats to boost their contracts this summer. Now a guy like Mudiay probably would have a different mindset being that he's fallen out of favor in Denver and he could view this as a second chance and actually embrace the trade.
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Post#587 » by Qwigglez » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:49 pm

Most boring deadline in the last few years. I blame this on Durant, nobody wants to make any moves, at least 10-12 teams are tanking, the league is becoming very unwatchable.
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Post#588 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:51 pm

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I really think we will end up with Mudiay today. Unless Denver demands a 1st or even our own 2nd.
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Post#589 » by Qwigglez » Thu Feb 8, 2018 4:00 pm

I would trade our 2nd round pick for Mudiay, and add even the Raptors 2nd.
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Post#590 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Feb 8, 2018 4:10 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Most boring deadline in the last few years. I blame this on Durant, nobody wants to make any moves, at least 10-12 teams are tanking, the league is becoming very unwatchable.


Well we've already seen Griffin traded so there have been some fireworks. But I agree the Warriors dominance definitely slows down the market. More and more teams say why bother because the know they can't compete. I don't even think that's all due to the Warriors some if just the nature of the NBA where it's so unlikely that a underdog team makes a run in the playoffs. With a 7 game series the best teams almost always win. Not sure there's a perfect solution to this for the league; maybe going to a 5 game series in round one could help. I also think more than ever fans the media kill teams for being on the 'treadmill', GM's know this and they would prefer just to suck than get that label.
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Post#591 » by Qwigglez » Thu Feb 8, 2018 4:10 pm

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Post#592 » by Qwigglez » Thu Feb 8, 2018 4:12 pm

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Qwigglez wrote:Most boring deadline in the last few years. I blame this on Durant, nobody wants to make any moves, at least 10-12 teams are tanking, the league is becoming very unwatchable.


Well we've already seen Griffin traded so there have been some fireworks. But I agree the Warriors dominance definitely slows down the market. More and more teams say why bother because the know they can't compete. I don't even think that's all due to the Warriors some if just the nature of the NBA where it's so unlikely that a underdog team makes a run in the playoffs. With a 7 game series the best teams almost always win. Not sure there's a perfect solution to this for the league; maybe going to a 5 game series in round one could help. I also think more than ever fans the media kill teams for being on the 'treadmill', GM's know this and they would prefer just to suck than get that label.


I think it's the combination of the Warriors and the success of the Sixers tanking that makes tanking more acceptable. The 5 game series in the 1st round was solid back in the day. I think they changed it just to make more money.
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Post#593 » by darealjuice » Thu Feb 8, 2018 4:17 pm

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Post#594 » by BobbieL » Thu Feb 8, 2018 4:18 pm

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I really think we will end up with Mudiay today. Unless Denver demands a 1st or even our own 2nd.


I would give up the lesser of Suns/Grizzlies and the Raptors pick for Mudiay - as he is signed through next year


I have zero idea why the Suns would have wanted George Hill - I know Gambo brought him up but he makes 20m next year - what a worthless use of Cap Space.....
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Post#595 » by hollywood6964 » Thu Feb 8, 2018 4:22 pm

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I really think we will end up with Mudiay today. Unless Denver demands a 1st or even our own 2nd.


I would give up the lesser of Suns/Grizzlies and the Raptors pick for Mudiay - as he is signed through next year


I have zero idea why the Suns would have wanted George Hill - I know Gambo brought him up but he makes 20m next year - what a worthless use of Cap Space.....

Yeah, and here's worth, maybe half that based on this years performance. They should hold ground, unless some deals falls out of the sky that is too good to pass on.
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Post#596 » by Dambo » Thu Feb 8, 2018 4:41 pm

How many hours left to deadline? So boring.
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Post#597 » by JJ13 » Thu Feb 8, 2018 4:44 pm

Suns dark horse for DeAndre Jordan :/

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Post#599 » by Qwigglez » Thu Feb 8, 2018 4:45 pm

Dambo wrote:How many hours left to deadline? So boring.


A little over 3 hours left.


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Post#600 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Feb 8, 2018 4:46 pm

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IMO a DeAndre trade would be dumb but with this FO doing something dumb is not out of the question.
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