PG Thread: Treyverson // Tank Victory

[Tron Carter]

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opt out! PLEASE!

read the story. this clown literally said he wants to be a knick if he never plays another minute.

that good halal got him hypnotized.

[3toheadmelo]

Y’all act like Burke is a midget. 6’0 isn’t 5’9 goddamn.

i love burke but he really a midget lol.

heart > height though.

You over 6’0’’?
Burke is listed at 6’1’’

Half the dudes on this board is shorter than me calling Burke a midget. Wow.

CP3 is shorter than Burke.

Jose ass is 6’3’’
Horrible

Jack is 6’3’’
Horrible

he just looks really small to me on the court. either way, idgaf about his size. he has game and that's all that matters

[newyorker4ever]

"Trey Burke is a top 10 player in the league if he had Frank's height/measureables"

— 2010

So much T.Burke hate on this board but as i've been saying all along......the kid can play and he's even playing pretty good defense.

Where the Trey haters at?

[2010]

Because frank will be able to couple improved offensive skill with an elite nba guard frame and defensive versatility.

Burke stopped growing at 15.

So you admitting you a hater. You basically saying no matter Frank's production, you will never give it up cuz he isn't your ideal physically.

No because what makes Frank special is attributes Burke could never posses. Frank can develop as a scorer but Burke will always be a midget. Isn’t your mantra that if Burke had Frank’s size he’d be a top 10 player? So by that logic if Frank is doing what Burke is doing offensively in 3 years he should be a top 10 player right?

I made a mistake wit my original quote. It was supposed to say "no matter BURKE'S production..."

But to keep it funky, if Frank had Trey's handle, quickness, wiggle, current shooting accuracy, and most importantly - OFFENSIVE AGGRESSION - to go along with the length and defensive potential... yes, he'd be a top 10 player.

Issue is I doubt Frank acquires those ball skills, quickness, and adopts that aggressive mentality.

But back to my original question I fixed. So you will never give it up regarding Trey if he keep producing cuz you don't like his physical profile?

[Jeff Van Gully]

what i like about him the most is the motor...its on 1,000

RIP troy brown

RIP.....

Spoiler:

except Robert Williams...

don't ever change, you two.

[3toheadmelo]

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i won't forget when i called him trash and you came to his defense talkin bout how he outplayed drummond and embiid.... smfh

[Greenie]

not a fan of Jackson so whatever. want neither running my team.

Taking Trey Burke over Collison is just flat out (Please Use More Appropriate Word) though. Collison can run a team, score way more efficiently, and defend much better then Burke. He’s almost shooting 50% from the field this season and a big part of the Pacer’s success this season.

Fultz as a prospect >>>>> Trey I don’t care if he’s a question mark right now. But like I said Ben Simmons is the starting point guard so that’s irrelevant. Burke or Mcconell I’ll still rather have TJ.

Tron, you know I love yah but you’re wrong on Burke.

Every PG doesn’t have to to be the main facilitator or go to ball handler.

Philly is actually a great example. Ben Simmons can play all over the floor just like that dude LeBron. The actual 1’s they play with were/are more like 2 guards. Secondary facilitators.

Frank can still be the “point” he’s just playing the 2. Another ball handler on the court that can create, dish and score will never be not welcomed by me with open arms. It’s not like Trey is the only ball handler we have. We have big guards to go with him. It’s not a bad thing.

Trey is allowing Frank to grow at his own pace. Why this is seems to be mentally charged. Frank can’t be the only ball handler. He becomes timid because he thinks he MUST distribute at all times. Put Trey on the court with him and for some reason he relaxes that thought process.

Don’t move the goal posts. Trey is fine as a starter because this team is bad. He would no start on a good playoff bound team period. I asked you to name me one and you couldn’t. Detroit is not a playoff team. He is not the starting point guard of the future he is a spark plug off the bench.

I can’t get into honest debates with you over him if you actually think he’s a better point guard then Darren Collison. He’s lighter skinned that’s about it.

Detroit is a playoff team.

I named you three teams. You just don’t like WTF I said. No one moved the goalposts. You simply can’t deal in reality. Every playoff team isn’t fielding All star 1’s.

We started Felton during our last playoff run.

Trey can start if he continues to play exactly how he’s been playing. The end.

If anyone else was doing exactly what he’s doing you would love it.

[2010]

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opt out! PLEASE!

I am very confused.

He has to know opting out dramatically increases the likelihood he won't be back.

[mpharris36]

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i won't forget when i called him trash and you came to his defense talkin bout how he outplayed drummond and embiid.... smfh

what funny is you take everything so literally....he did outplay them. But I never ever wanted him to opt in. I actually wish he plays well so he thinks he can get more $$$ on the open market.

Saying someone plays well doesn't me you like him as a player. It just means you acknowledge they played well. You think I want to be paying the man 18 million? Come on bro where are you going with this, this is a huge reach even for you.

[WargamesX]

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opt out! PLEASE!

I am very confused.

He has to know opting out dramatically increases the likelihood he won't be back.

If he agrees to something similar to a 15 mil/4 year deal I could see them bringing him back.

[Tron Carter]

So you admitting you a hater. You basically saying no matter Frank's production, you will never give it up cuz he isn't your ideal physically.

No because what makes Frank special is attributes Burke could never posses. Frank can develop as a scorer but Burke will always be a midget. Isn’t your mantra that if Burke had Frank’s size he’d be a top 10 player? So by that logic if Frank is doing what Burke is doing offensively in 3 years he should be a top 10 player right?

I made a mistake wit my original quote. It was supposed to say "no matter BURKE'S production..."

But to keep it funky, if Frank had Trey's handle, quickness, wiggle, current shooting accuracy, and most importantly - OFFENSIVE AGGRESSION - to go along with the length and defensive potential... yes, he'd be a top 10 player.

Issue is I doubt Frank acquires those ball skills, quickness, and adopts that aggressive mentality.

But back to my original question I fixed. So you will never give it up regarding Trey if he keep producing cuz you don't like his physical profile?

Treys physical profile is why his production will always be hindered. ya’ll really gushing over the quickness and handles of trey burke off a couple hot shooting games negro please. He’s a career 39% shooter. You have your doubts 19 y/o frank can develop his ball skills and quickness but are so confirdent trey can maintain this offensive pace? FOH

[mpharris36]

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I am very confused.

He has to know opting out dramatically increases the likelihood he won't be back.

Kanter talks a big game. He plays with effort I will give him that...and he's had his moments but he isn't a long term piece here IMO. He doesn't have an agent yet I guess so he doesn't know his options. Probably will ask his new agent to put feelers out if he can get a long term deal on the open market.

He probably wont because people will be penny pinching this offseason with 2019 FA looming...but I can dream.

[Da ThRONe]

how about we let this play out before we come to conclusions "he'll never be a starter" smfh

no one can hate on the dudes production right now. He been instant offense of the bench. He's quick, really nice handles, and has been making his outside shot at a great consistency early.

My two concerns (for sustainability) are as follows, I think they are fair.

his offensive shot chart.

http://nbasavant.com/player.php?ddlYear=2017&ddlShotMade=&ddlTeamDefense=&player_id=203504

Burke is taking 52% of his shots in the long mid range 2 area. That is a even more mid range jump shots than Carmelo Anthony last year 49% (who a majority of people thought takes way too many mid range shots). Widely known as the least efficient shot in basketball.

Now Burke is also making his mid range shot at 58% (a ridiculous amazing %). The league average for long mind range 2's is about 40% this year. That is almost 18% higher than the league higher which just is unsustainable. He's makind his mid range shot almost around the league average around the rim (63% league average around the rim) that is basically burkes % in the long mid range so I just question the sustainability. I guess we will just have to see but the #'s really aren't in his favor because he would be setting a record breaking efficiency type pace.

As far as his defensive goes. I will give it up to him he is trying. He's never been a good defensive player but I really can't fault the effort. But the #'s from last game. Mudiay/Burke shared the point guard role almost half the game each. And Kyrie Irving and Rosier who they combined defended scored 45 pts together. That is way too much to allow to one position. Now burke has shown more to me on defense then Mudiay so I will give him that...but his length issue even if he gives good effort might be too much to overcome.

Other than that I have been impressed. But those 2 reasons alone at least give me questions about his longevity becoming a "starter". Now as a instant offense guy off the bench. I think he's perfect for that role. Those are just my initial opinions on the subject.

This is a solid point based off of facts not opinions. I'd agrue this is where the sample size thing also comes into play. Most teams are giving Trey this shot. In the PNR with good players you have to give the offense something. Most teams perfer to give up the long 2. Burke is making those which will force teams to adjust how they defend the PNR. We should see it balance out as the season goes along.

[god shammgod]

i done told everyone he's opting out. he's having a career year. this is is chance to receive another long term deal on similar money. and this dumb franchise will be the one who pays him.

look, we should just shut down the forum. because there's no reason for anyone to be a fan of this team anymore. they're gonna just keep making the same mistakes forever.

[mpharris36]

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opt out! PLEASE!

I am very confused.

He has to know opting out dramatically increases the likelihood he won't be back.

If he agrees to something similar to a 15 mil/4 year deal I could see them bringing him back.

committing 60 million to kanter over 4 years would be a disastrous move!

[3toheadmelo]

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i won't forget when i called him trash and you came to his defense talkin bout how he outplayed drummond and embiid.... smfh

what funny is you take everything so literally....he did outplay them. But I never ever wanted him to opt in. I actually wish he plays well so he thinks he can get more $$$ on the open market.

Saying someone plays well doesn't me you like him as a player. It just means you acknowledge they played well. You think I want to be paying the man 18 million? Come on bro where are you going with this, this is a huge reach even for you.

you def seemed like you wanted to pay the man back then. now that he has fell back on earth, you have been singing a different tune.

[BrOnXKing1]

I remember Billups came into the league as a high first round pick, and pretty much sucked, was on several teams until he found himself in Detroit. You never know what could happen with Burke

[mpharris36]

i done told everyone he's opting out. he's having a career year. this is is chance to receive another long term deal on similar money. and this dumb franchise will be the one who pays him.

look, we should just shut down the forum. because there's no reason for anyone to be a fan of this team anymore. they're gonna just keep making the same mistakes forever.

im starting to believe that. Why would u risk another year when your production or injury related issues could rear there heads. If he gets anything around 14-15 million per for multiple years to offseason the slight less $$$ in next year I think he would stupid not to lock up long term $$$ coming off his best year of his career.

we better not give him that $$$ though...

[Thugger HBC]

You really can't do it.

I’m supposed to automatically like things about the Knicks because I’m a fan, even when they’re bad. This is what you’re telling me.

No, literally every post you make is littered with complaints. If it aint complaints about the team itself, it's complaints about other fans enjoyments of the team, like trey for instance. He's playing well now, that's easily something to like.....but not for you. You too focused on his past that you can't enjoy the present. But that's what fans normally do, like in the moment. But for you you not so much.

10 things to like about the Knicks this season? Is this a serious question. My question was actually serious. Give me some things to be happy about.

KP played pretty well without Melo and then tore his ACL.

I like Frank, even though he needs to show more.

Hardaway Jr is awful.

I’m a Kanter supporter. Always have been.

Courtney Lee is a nice piece with no future here. Same for O’Quinn.

Noah is a disgrace.

Hornacek isn’t good.

I want to see what Dotson has.

What else should I be praising? Lance Thomas? Rambis? Ron Baker? Jack?

What are the 10 great things we’ve done this season? I’m interested to know your list.

I’m sure lottery bound teams with their only star player out with an ACL injury have a lot to be happy about in a season. Especially when they played their vets for most of it.

It's easy for me. Notice I said name ten likes. Being happy with it isn't the same thing at all.

1) KP's play showed he can be key player going forward, hopefully he fully recovers and comes out even better.

2) Perry seems to be smart enough to double and triple down on an important position (pg)

3) Didn't make any trades that impacted the future in a negative way, unless you miss Willy, who asked to be traded.

4) Gained more draft picks to hopefully improve the young talent pool on the team.

5) Having a vet presence isn't as bad as some make it. Showing the young guys how to win some games is not a bad thing.

6) Willingness to search the waiver wire for player opps to add to the potential team.

7) I like with Frank development they aren't just pigeon holing into sink or swim at pg. They are clearly getting him comfortable
playing in the NBA with the hope that he can learn the lead guard aspects at a later point.

8)The team seems to clearly want an environment where players can be happy in the roles, if they aren't the team clearly will help them out of their unhappiness.

9)Perry has a lot of patience, it's apparent throughout every move made.

10)Even though the team isn't good yet, the effort and entertainment level is on a good level. They've remained competitive for the most part, despite knowing losses are imminent.

Now that's my 10.

[3toheadmelo]

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