Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here

[Darius Miles Davis]

Woj reporting a "tremendous disconnect" between Kawhi and Spurs. One year left on his deal and he's not playing this year despite Pop apparently wanting him too...sounds like he's gone one way or the other. And we're positioned to move. Whose offering a better deal than our first and the Pelicans first?

It'a another good idea to go hard at Kawhi this summer. I'd trade our 2 draft picks this year and a first in 2019 or 2020 to get him. So 3 firsts. Unfortunately, we don't have a lot more to offer. I would assume San Antonio would want Lauri as the centerpiece if they were even entertaining a deal for Kawhi.

[contestedlayups]

Woj reporting a "tremendous disconnect" between Kawhi and Spurs. One year left on his deal and he's not playing this year despite Pop apparently wanting him too...sounds like he's gone one way or the other. And we're positioned to move. Whose offering a better deal than our first and the Pelicans first?

It'a another good idea to go hard at Kawhi this summer. I'd trade our 2 draft picks this year and a first in 2019 or 2020 to get him. So 3 firsts. Unfortunately, we don't have a lot more to offer. I would assume San Antonio would want Lauri as the centerpiece if they were even entertaining a deal for Kawhi.

Your username is fantastic. Don't really agree with the post but I love that username.

[terry]

Quick free agent question, didnt know where to post this.

I was reading an article about Isaiah Thomas. They were saying he may have to settle on a 1 year, 15 to 20 million deal to raise his value again.

Would anyone consider signing him to a 1 year deal, 20 million deal, see if he plays well, and flip him at the deadline for a 1st round pick? Kind of like what we did with Niko.

[johnnyvann840]

Quick free agent question, didnt know where to post this.

I was reading an article about Isaiah Thomas. They were saying he may have to settle on a 1 year, 15 to 20 million deal to raise his value again.

Would anyone consider signing him to a 1 year deal, 20 million deal, see if he plays well, and flip him at the deadline for a 1st round pick? Kind of like what we did with Niko.

Pass. Can't stand him.

[TankForAyton]

Quick free agent question, didnt know where to post this.

I was reading an article about Isaiah Thomas. They were saying he may have to settle on a 1 year, 15 to 20 million deal to raise his value again.

Would anyone consider signing him to a 1 year deal, 20 million deal, see if he plays well, and flip him at the deadline for a 1st round pick? Kind of like what we did with Niko.

There is absolutely no chance he gets $20M a year. His season before the trade was historically bad. Not just a down year, a historically bad player.

Why would we want him taking away minutes from LaVine or Dunn? All the while paying him $20M when it’s been proven he’s an absolute terrible defender and crap teammate. I want no part of that cancer near any rebuild. Screw that guy. Send his ass to rot somewhere like Orlando!

[Axolotl]

Nope on Isaiah Thomas. Don't want him, don't need him.

[Ccwatercraft]

IT would be a nate robinson on steroids, but I still don't think he's necessary unless we thought we were capable of a deep run in 18-19 and I don't think we're there so based on that, I'd pass.

[pipfan]

I am very pleased with our rebuild. I think Dunn, Lavine and Lauri is a great start-and I see Grant, Bobby and Nwaba as elite bench players. We obviously need a SF and a C.

I am still praying we get into the top 6-but let's say we stay at 7 or 8 and get either Bridges (I really don't like Young for us).

My idea has been to trade the 2019 pick with little or no protection to try to get a 2nd lottery pick. We keep the NO pick too-to add depth. We can throw in Valentine and absorb bad deal. Add Carter to Bridges, plus a wildcard at 2019 and roll forward. Here is why:

1-I think Pax wants a 1 year rebuild-and the 2019 playoffs are doable. Might be a 7/8 seed and first round exit, but that would be fine with me

2-the 2018 draft looks great, and the 2019 draft looks weak. I know, drafts look better and soon get overhyped most years-but this year has a ton of talent, and the big names for 2019 are not as impressive

3-There is little chance that we get a top FA this summer-PG13 would obviously be a great fit, but he's not coming. Signing secondary FA's is often a recipe for disaster. Better to use of cap space for now to absorb some bad deals.

4-Dunn, Lavine, Nwaba, Bobby, Lauri, Lopez are competitive guys-we don't want multiple years of losing. Trading the 2019 pick is like Cortez burning the ships-no going back-gotta win now.

5-As a fan, I HATE hoping my team loses. I was a bit upset we "blew" it last night with Dallas, and most of us feel the same way. We need to starting trying to win right away-it would hurt the young guys to know the organization is trying to tank again starting in Jan, 2019.

Therefore-ideas
Suns, Memphis, Orlando, ATL, Sac, Dallas are all no gos-they will pick top 7 (hope we squeeze in there)-no reason to call

#8-Clev if LBJ is staying, we absorb a bad deal or 2 and can add Valentine.

#9-NY I would take back and cut (not stretch) Noah, but not sure if they would, with KP's injury

#10-Philly Best spot-we send Valentine and absorb Bayless-I would offer the 2019 pick unprotected

#11 Char tough one I would take MKG off their hands, but his deal is not terrible. Wouldn't touch Batum

#12 Clippers (Detroit pick)-possible, if they want to keep Jordan and get a FA Boban, Wesley Johnson and Austin Rivers are all bad deals, and expire in 2019

So, I would examine these deals, using our pick as a sweetener with little/no protection (depending on the deal). Playoffs in 2019 or bust!

[GDRO10]

Pax has said that's not a 1 year rebuild, so i can't see it happening. It's pretty extreme of a move if you ask me, even if we are competitive next season. Next year we're likely a lottery team again, and the draft lottery is changing.

I do agree about the 2019 draft class though, it seems pretty weak.

[tron_carter]

I think the wings in the 2019 class is strong... The 4/5's in this class are obviously where the value lies and you kinda need someone to pair with Lauri for the frontcourt, can probably do that in the 18 class... The 19 class has the SF value that Chicago will probably be looking for: Barrett, Reddish, Zion, Little, Johnson, King are all guys that should be lottery good next year... I think going for broke in the 18 Draft is risky as hell... Top 8 is very strong, after that minimal from 9-24

[xpmar9x]

If im trading the 2019 pick, I'm doing it for a proven vet. Somebody talented enough to get us to playoffs because next years lottery is a crapshoot w the new odds.

[Jvaughn]

I am very pleased with our rebuild. I think Dunn, Lavine and Lauri is a great start-and I see Grant, Bobby and Nwaba as elite bench players. We obviously need a SF and a C.

You lost me at the Grant being elite part.

[TheFinishSniper]

This is really bad decision. Maybe 2020, but 2019 will sure be guaranteed lottery pick. Dealing unprotected picks in rebuild until you have sure star(s) is just bad management. And Bulls situation about taking bad deals going further is unrealistic. This was first and likely last year Bulls would do that without affecting building up cheap and flexible team with cap space going forward given all bad contract offered for late pick this deadline were 2+ years.

[GimmeDat]

It's far from a positional need but interesting to see how Chriss is fairing in Phoenix. Had a real regression this year, super inconsistent, slipping out of the rotation. I'm sure we have one of Portis or Vonleh long term so it's probably not going to happen but he's worth keeping an eye on as a flier.

[N.O.R.E.]

I realize everyone is high on Portis, however, with his rookie contract coming to an end in '19, I'm not sure I want to commit to him long-term, with so much money already likely to be tied up with Lavine's extension and the awful Felicio deal.

I would also like to see the FO be aggressive in trying to move up in the upcoming draft, while maintaining 2 1sts.

What do you all think about the following:

Blazers trade: #20, M. Leonard
Receive: Justin Holiday, Cam Payne

Clips trade: #12
Receive: Bobby Portis, #20

Bulls trade: Bobby, Holiday, Cam Payne
Receive: #12 from Clips via Detroit, Meyers Leonard

We would add the #12 to the NO pick and our own giving us more options to move up further, while allowing us to keep that sweet 2nd 1st to not put all eggs in one basket (see LA this year with Kuzma after all the Ball hype). We can not afford to allow our "young prospects" to come up for contract renewal when we don't know who is a true key piece - we don't want to become the Blazers.

[PrimzyBulls81]

I realize everyone is high on Portis, however, with his rookie contract coming to an end in '19, I'm not sure I want to commit to him long-term, with so much money already likely to be tied up with Lavine's extension and the awful Felicio deal.

I would also like to see the FO be aggressive in trying to move up in the upcoming draft, while maintaining 2 1sts.

What do you all think about the following:

Blazers trade: #20, M. Leonard
Receive: Justin Holiday, Cam Payne

Clips trade: #12
Receive: Bobby Portis, #20

Bulls trade: Bobby, Holiday, Cam Payne
Receive: #12 from Clips via Detroit, Meyers Leonard

We would add the #12 to the NO pick and our own giving us more options to move up further, while allowing us to keep that sweet 2nd 1st to not put all eggs in one basket (see LA this year with Kuzma after all the Ball hype). We can not afford to allow our "young prospects" to come up for contract renewal when we don't know who is a true key piece - we don't want to become the Blazers.

Felicio can be dealt..its bad contract,but not that horrible in today's NBA! Portis is a MUST STAY..

[NoZoLakers]

deng/clev 1st/chi 19 2nd returned for asik? la stretches asik for lower cap hit, clev pick
is still climbing, could be 19-25 range

[N.O.R.E.]

deng/clev 1st/chi 19 2nd returned for asik? la stretches asik for lower cap hit, clev pick
is still climbing, could be 19-25 range

No way I'd consider taking so much extra money on for so little return. I'm not tying up valuable cap and spending an extra $16-22 million for such poor return.

[TankForAyton]

I realize everyone is high on Portis, however, with his rookie contract coming to an end in '19, I'm not sure I want to commit to him long-term, with so much money already likely to be tied up with Lavine's extension and the awful Felicio deal.

I would also like to see the FO be aggressive in trying to move up in the upcoming draft, while maintaining 2 1sts.

What do you all think about the following:

Blazers trade: #20, M. Leonard
Receive: Justin Holiday, Cam Payne

Clips trade: #12
Receive: Bobby Portis, #20

Bulls trade: Bobby, Holiday, Cam Payne
Receive: #12 from Clips via Detroit, Meyers Leonard

We would add the #12 to the NO pick and our own giving us more options to move up further, while allowing us to keep that sweet 2nd 1st to not put all eggs in one basket (see LA this year with Kuzma after all the Ball hype). We can not afford to allow our "young prospects" to come up for contract renewal when we don't know who is a true key piece - we don't want to become the Blazers.

Felicio can be dealt..its bad contract,but not that horrible in today's NBA! Portis is a MUST STAY..

Felicio’s contract is awful. No way he can be moved for anything. It might not be the big albatross contract like a Wiggins, but it’s god awful. He offers pretty much nothing. Total negative asset. We cannot move him without taking back an equally bad contract or attaching 1st round picks.

[sco]

I realize everyone is high on Portis, however, with his rookie contract coming to an end in '19, I'm not sure I want to commit to him long-term, with so much money already likely to be tied up with Lavine's extension and the awful Felicio deal.

I would also like to see the FO be aggressive in trying to move up in the upcoming draft, while maintaining 2 1sts.

What do you all think about the following:

Blazers trade: #20, M. Leonard
Receive: Justin Holiday, Cam Payne

Clips trade: #12
Receive: Bobby Portis, #20

Bulls trade: Bobby, Holiday, Cam Payne
Receive: #12 from Clips via Detroit, Meyers Leonard

We would add the #12 to the NO pick and our own giving us more options to move up further, while allowing us to keep that sweet 2nd 1st to not put all eggs in one basket (see LA this year with Kuzma after all the Ball hype). We can not afford to allow our "young prospects" to come up for contract renewal when we don't know who is a true key piece - we don't want to become the Blazers.

Felicio can be dealt..its bad contract,but not that horrible in today's NBA! Portis is a MUST STAY..

Felicio’s contract is awful. No way he can be moved for anything. It might not be the big albatross contract like a Wiggins, but it’s god awful. He offers pretty much nothing. Total negative asset. We cannot move him without taking back an equally bad contract or attaching 1st round picks.

While in hindsight, we aren't happy with Cris' deal. I think he showed promise last season and didn't want to do anything (by way of strenuous workout) over the summer to hurt his chances and came into season out-of-shape...which killed his season. I think if he loses about 35 pounds, he'll be a good back-up and (almost) worth his deal. Also, since it's a declining (slightly) deal, it will be tradeable in it's final season.