The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

[EmperorLocky]

15/9/6 I believe, but hey, it's just one board, lol. The man is consistent, and the defense he plays is the icing.

Even better! Definitely, is it too early to call him an elite defender, I don’t think so.

4th in DBPM, 3rd in defensive win shares so far. Watching him play, it's rare for a rookie to have the impact on defense he does. As good as Mitchell has been (watching the Jazz now) Simmons is clearly the best overall rookie in the NBA. I hope voters remember that defense counts too.

In the league for players with Defensive FGA >10 per game Simmons ranks 5th in the league in DFG% (difference) at -5.3%. Embiid is at first with -8.3%

Lonzo Ball not far off at 9th with -4.5%

[EmperorLocky]

Too the Sixers fans out there , why don’t they give Ben license to shot the 3 during blow outs ,, don’t get it ,, are they trying to protect his percentages ??

He’s had 10 half court attempts this season, so definitely doesn’t care about his percentages. That’s about as many as KD has had in his career!


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You can't really be concerned about your percentages if you don't have one though. You have to make one first before you can be concerned about lowering it.

I think it just shows he cares about making the right play. Someone had suggested before why doesn't he shoot it in a blowout. Well as we all know in the NBA it needs to be one hell of a blowout because teams comeback and Philly has had their fair share of comebacks they've had to fight against this year. I think they are still better off working on their plays rather than taking silly shots.

[Sactowndog]

So curious who people think the all rookie team will be:

As we come down the stretch I’ve got:

Mitchell
Simmons
Markkannen
Kuzma
Tatum

Bogdanovich and Smith knocking on the door.

Jackson coming in hot for Kuzma’s spot. Would be close to overtaking him at this point.

Jackson’s not passing Bogdan much less Kuzma.

[Young gun 6]

So curious who people think the all rookie team will be:

As we come down the stretch I’ve got:

Mitchell
Simmons
Markkannen
Kuzma
Tatum

Bogdanovich and Smith knocking on the door.

Jackson coming in hot for Kuzma’s spot. Would be close to overtaking him at this point.

Jackson’s not passing Bogdan much less Kuzma.

Not that it matters because Jackson is already in front of Bogdan for the whole season but i doubt they’d replace Kuzma with Bogdan it would be another forward or a centre like Bam.

If you’ve watched anything of Jackson’s defense and last 25 games you’d know he’s well ahead of Bogdan now on current output and future potential.

[Sactowndog]

Jackson coming in hot for Kuzma’s spot. Would be close to overtaking him at this point.

Jackson’s not passing Bogdan much less Kuzma.

Not that it matters because Jackson is already in front of Bogdan for the whole season but i doubt they’d replace Kuzma with Bogdan it would be another forward or a centre like Bam.

If you’ve watched anything of Jackson’s defense and last 25 games you’d know he’s well ahead of Bogdan now on current output and future potential.

I assume you are talking Josh Jackson?

Just using the last 17 Games, yes Jackson is scoring 17 points a game on a low percentage. He’s taking 3.5 point shots a game shooting 24.5% from 3. He is averaging 1.7 assists 1.7 turnovers and .9 steals. Anyone can chuck up bad shots on a bad team.

Bogdanovich is averaging 12.7 on a high percentage. He shoots 41.1% from 3. Meanwhile he’s averaging 4.1 assists, 1.5 turnovers and 1.1 steals.

[Young gun 6]

Jackson’s not passing Bogdan much less Kuzma.

Not that it matters because Jackson is already in front of Bogdan for the whole season but i doubt they’d replace Kuzma with Bogdan it would be another forward or a centre like Bam.

If you’ve watched anything of Jackson’s defense and last 25 games you’d know he’s well ahead of Bogdan now on current output and future potential.

I assume you are talking Josh Jackson?

Just using the last 17 Games, yes Jackson is scoring 17 points a game on a low percentage. He’s taking 3.5 point shots a game shooting 24.5% from 3. He is averaging 1.7 assists 1.7 turnovers and .9 steals. Anyone can chuck up bad shots on a bad team.

Bogdanovich is averaging 12.7 on a high percentage. He shoots 41.1% from 3. Meanwhile he’s averaging 4.1 assists, 1.5 turnovers and 1.1 steals.

Yep purely looking at stats and hand picking them to favour your argument.

You clearly haven’t watched any Josh Jackson games if you are basing your argument purely off of stats. His defense is a mile ahead of Bogdan which you clearly failed to identify.

[theo42]

lonzo...18 pts 7 rebs, 11 ast, 1 st 2 blks. 6-10 from 3. 3 3s in last minute of game to win.

He is looking phenom.

[lakerz12]

Lonzo 6/10 from three. He can't shoot!

[Mulhollanddrive]

Lonzo to his credit is making a run since 12/12/2017:

14-7-7 @ 50% from 2 and 40% from 3.

[markjay]

Lonzo to his credit is making a run since 12/12/2017:

14-7-7 @ 50% from 2 and 40% from 3

Actually, no.

He is shooting 44.4% from three since 12/12/2017. 44/99 in 15 games.

[levon]

lonzo...18 pts 7 rebs, 11 ast, 1 st 2 blks. 6-10 from 3. 3 3s in last minute of game to win.

He is looking phenom.

And tbh the Spurs scorekeepers credited 2 of his early steals to Zubac and Randle. We'll take it though

[shakes0]

1. Donovan Mitchell
2. Ben Simmons
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Bam Adebayo
5. John Collins
6. Lauri Markkanen
7. Kyle Kuzma
8. Dennis Smith Jr.
9. OG Anunoby
10. Bogdan Bogdanovic

Such a good class.

anyone who doesn't have Lonzo in a friggen top 10 is nothing but a biased fool.

[thamadkant]

Jackson’s not passing Bogdan much less Kuzma.

Not that it matters because Jackson is already in front of Bogdan for the whole season but i doubt they’d replace Kuzma with Bogdan it would be another forward or a centre like Bam.

If you’ve watched anything of Jackson’s defense and last 25 games you’d know he’s well ahead of Bogdan now on current output and future potential.

I assume you are talking Josh Jackson?

Just using the last 17 Games, yes Jackson is scoring 17 points a game on a low percentage. He’s taking 3.5 point shots a game shooting 24.5% from 3. He is averaging 1.7 assists 1.7 turnovers and .9 steals. Anyone can chuck up bad shots on a bad team.

Bogdanovich is averaging 12.7 on a high percentage. He shoots 41.1% from 3. Meanwhile he’s averaging 4.1 assists, 1.5 turnovers and 1.1 steals.

dude, I really really like Bogdan and Im shattered Suns traded him for Chriss..

But you don't know anything about Josh Jackson except stats.

Come back on your post next season when Jackson is one of the top young players in the league. Dude's a star in the making.
If you've seen him in the last 20 or so games he's development is accelerating ridiculously. He is the real deal.

[thamadkant]

Not that it matters because Jackson is already in front of Bogdan for the whole season but i doubt they’d replace Kuzma with Bogdan it would be another forward or a centre like Bam.

If you’ve watched anything of Jackson’s defense and last 25 games you’d know he’s well ahead of Bogdan now on current output and future potential.

I assume you are talking Josh Jackson?

Just using the last 17 Games, yes Jackson is scoring 17 points a game on a low percentage. He’s taking 3.5 point shots a game shooting 24.5% from 3. He is averaging 1.7 assists 1.7 turnovers and .9 steals. Anyone can chuck up bad shots on a bad team.

Bogdanovich is averaging 12.7 on a high percentage. He shoots 41.1% from 3. Meanwhile he’s averaging 4.1 assists, 1.5 turnovers and 1.1 steals.

Yep purely looking at stats and hand picking them to favour your argument.

You clearly haven’t watched any Josh Jackson games if you are basing your argument purely off of stats. His defense is a mile ahead of Bogdan which you clearly failed to identify.

He hasn't watched a single game of Jackson.... I want Bogdan on the Suns as well, very good player. But Jackson is a couple of tiers better in regards to ceiling and has surpassed him

[nguyenbalong]

Mitchell good bounce back game from Houston

26pts 10/18 4rb 2 ast. 4/5 ft vs Minnesota
27pts 7/15 5rb 5 ast. 10/10 ft vs Sac

[Sactowndog]

Not that it matters because Jackson is already in front of Bogdan for the whole season but i doubt they’d replace Kuzma with Bogdan it would be another forward or a centre like Bam.

If you’ve watched anything of Jackson’s defense and last 25 games you’d know he’s well ahead of Bogdan now on current output and future potential.

I assume you are talking Josh Jackson?

Just using the last 17 Games, yes Jackson is scoring 17 points a game on a low percentage. He’s taking 3.5 point shots a game shooting 24.5% from 3. He is averaging 1.7 assists 1.7 turnovers and .9 steals. Anyone can chuck up bad shots on a bad team.

Bogdanovich is averaging 12.7 on a high percentage. He shoots 41.1% from 3. Meanwhile he’s averaging 4.1 assists, 1.5 turnovers and 1.1 steals.

Yep purely looking at stats and hand picking them to favour your argument.

You clearly haven’t watched any Josh Jackson games if you are basing your argument purely off of stats. His defense is a mile ahead of Bogdan which you clearly failed to identify.

Based on what? Bogdan is a very high IQ excellent team defender on a team with horrible team defense.

I wouldn’t trade Bogdan for Jackson straight up.

[MrBigShot]

The Kidd comps seem pretty on point, Lonzo impacts the game in so many different ways.

[Young gun 6]

I assume you are talking Josh Jackson?

Just using the last 17 Games, yes Jackson is scoring 17 points a game on a low percentage. He’s taking 3.5 point shots a game shooting 24.5% from 3. He is averaging 1.7 assists 1.7 turnovers and .9 steals. Anyone can chuck up bad shots on a bad team.

Bogdanovich is averaging 12.7 on a high percentage. He shoots 41.1% from 3. Meanwhile he’s averaging 4.1 assists, 1.5 turnovers and 1.1 steals.

Yep purely looking at stats and hand picking them to favour your argument.

You clearly haven’t watched any Josh Jackson games if you are basing your argument purely off of stats. His defense is a mile ahead of Bogdan which you clearly failed to identify.

Based on what? Bogdan is a very high IQ excellent team defender on a team with horrible team defense.

I wouldn’t trade Bogdan for Jackson straight up.

No worries because there’s no way that would ever be even offered.

Bogdan is a nice player but his ceiling is so much lower than Jackson’s it isn’t funny, only a sac homer couldn’t see that. Bogdan is a good 3pt shooter but does barely anything else. He can’t get to the rim, he plays mainly off ball, has average at best defense and does nothing at a greater than average level outside of shooting 3’s at around 4 shots a game currently. He will be good player and could be an important spacing piece on a contender but realistically what do you think objectively think his ceiling is?

[Sactowndog]

Not that it matters because Jackson is already in front of Bogdan for the whole season but i doubt they’d replace Kuzma with Bogdan it would be another forward or a centre like Bam.

If you’ve watched anything of Jackson’s defense and last 25 games you’d know he’s well ahead of Bogdan now on current output and future potential.

I assume you are talking Josh Jackson?

Just using the last 17 Games, yes Jackson is scoring 17 points a game on a low percentage. He’s taking 3.5 point shots a game shooting 24.5% from 3. He is averaging 1.7 assists 1.7 turnovers and .9 steals. Anyone can chuck up bad shots on a bad team.

Bogdanovich is averaging 12.7 on a high percentage. He shoots 41.1% from 3. Meanwhile he’s averaging 4.1 assists, 1.5 turnovers and 1.1 steals.

Yep purely looking at stats and hand picking them to favour your argument.

You clearly haven’t watched any Josh Jackson games if you are basing your argument purely off of stats. His defense is a mile ahead of Bogdan which you clearly failed to identify.

If your saying he’s miles ahead of Bogi you clearly haven’t watched many Kings games. Given Josh Jackson didn’t even make the rising stars game it’s a big stretch to suddenly claim he would be all rookie.

Now granted I haven’t watched much Suns basketball in the last 15 Games because I follow the Kings and one can stand only so much crappy basketball.

[levon]

1. Donovan Mitchell
2. Ben Simmons
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Bam Adebayo
5. John Collins
6. Lauri Markkanen
7. Kyle Kuzma
8. Dennis Smith Jr.
9. OG Anunoby
10. Bogdan Bogdanovic

Such a good class.

7 and 8 should not be that high, or even in the top 10. 6 should arguably be higher. John Collins? Lay off the RPM clyde, and squeeze Zo in there. You know you want to.