The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

TheHartBreakKid · Post #1601 » by **TheHartBreakKid** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 7:38 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Bam has the 5th highest FTR this season among players who've played 1000 or more minutes and he's the youngest of the 5. Future star.

Perfect center for today's league. Probably won't be as great of rim protector/Lob Target/Rebounder on the level of prime DJ or Drummond, but he easily has potential to do those things very well still, while making free throws, midrange J's, and arguably being better at switching on to guards. That's definitely a formula for a future star.

downtownpie · Post #1602 » by **downtownpie** » Tue Mar 6, 2018 9:07 pm

LAL wrote:
downtownpie wrote:
LAL wrote:
There are no positions on rookie teams so luckily for him it makes no difference.

either way Ball isn't 1st team rookie in front of Simmons or Mitchell.

Again, there are no positions on rookie teams. Could literally have 5 point guards make first team.

Why put positions next to them then?

dautjazz · Post #1603 » by **dautjazz** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 12:57 am

RB34 wrote:
dautjazz wrote:
RB34 wrote:
And there are a lot of things Simmons does better than Mitchell.......

Shooting FTs and 3pters aint one.

But basically everything else.

Yeah, we'll live with it. We are still the best defensive team in the NBA with Gobert. We are still missing one of our best defenders in Exum. :-)

RB34 · Post #1604 » by **RB34** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 1:34 am

dautjazz wrote:
RB34 wrote:
dautjazz wrote:
Shooting FTs and 3pters aint one.

But basically everything else.

Yeah, we'll live with it. We are still the best defensive team in the NBA with Gobert. We are still missing one of our best defenders in Exum.

Yeah cool, I didn’t know we were discussing the Jazz. I’m rooting for ya.

dautjazz · Post #1605 » by **dautjazz** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 2:01 am

RB34 wrote:
dautjazz wrote:
RB34 wrote:
But basically everything else.

Yeah, we'll live with it. We are still the best defensive team in the NBA with Gobert. We are still missing one of our best defenders in Exum.

Yeah cool, I didn’t know we were discussing the Jazz. I’m rooting for ya.

Oh, I assume we're saying that Simmons is the better defender, passer, and rebounder, and I'm fine with that. Mitchell is a more efficient shooter and higher volume scorer, something we needed with Gordon leaving. I really never cared about the ROY, just thrilled to have Mitchell.

mtron929 · Post #1606 » by **mtron929** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 2:08 am

dautjazz wrote:
RB34 wrote:
dautjazz wrote:
Yeah, we'll live with it. We are still the best defensive team in the NBA with Gobert. We are still missing one of our best defenders in Exum.

Yeah cool, I didn’t know we were discussing the Jazz. I’m rooting for ya.

Oh, I assume we're saying that Simmons is the better defender, passer, and rebounder, and I'm fine with that. Mitchell is a more efficient shooter and higher volume scorer, something we needed with Gordon leaving. I really never cared about the ROY, just thrilled to have Mitchell.

More efficient shooter?

Ben Simmons TS: 55%
Donavan Mitchell TS: 54.6%

Trugger · Post #1607 » by **Trugger** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 2:22 am

Simmons subbed out 2 boards short of a triple , bet Mitchell would have been left in to pad his stats !!

HotelVitale · Post #1608 » by **HotelVitale** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 2:23 am

Simmons just turned in a low-key gem tonight: 16/8/13, but on 8/9 shooting and only 1 TO (only 1 foul too), and he was +16 in a road win over CHA.

He had a couple of highlight reel passes but it was mostly just a lunchpail game in which he kept driving, kept kicking, and got the ball to the hot hand in its good spots and punished the defense if it sagged on him. Anyone doubting him as full-time PG should check that tape out.

dautjazz · Post #1609 » by **dautjazz** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 2:25 am

mtron929 wrote:
dautjazz wrote:
RB34 wrote:
Yeah cool, I didn’t know we were discussing the Jazz. I’m rooting for ya.

Oh, I assume we're saying that Simmons is the better defender, passer, and rebounder, and I'm fine with that. Mitchell is a more efficient shooter and higher volume scorer, something we needed with Gordon leaving. I really never cared about the ROY, just thrilled to have Mitchell.

More efficient shooter?

Ben Simmons TS: 55%
Donavan Mitchell TS: 54.6%

That changed very recently. Simmons has been on a tear lately, shooting .602 FG% in since the break his FT% is better too in this small sample size.

mtron929 · Post #1610 » by **mtron929** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 2:30 am

dautjazz wrote:
mtron929 wrote:
dautjazz wrote:
Oh, I assume we're saying that Simmons is the better defender, passer, and rebounder, and I'm fine with that. Mitchell is a more efficient shooter and higher volume scorer, something we needed with Gordon leaving. I really never cared about the ROY, just thrilled to have Mitchell.

More efficient shooter?

Ben Simmons TS: 55%
Donavan Mitchell TS: 54.6%

That changed very recently. Simmons has been on a tear lately, shooting .602 FG% in since the break his FT% is better too in this small sample size.

Well, ok. But regardless, it is pretty misleading to state that Mitchell is more efficient shooter now.

dautjazz · Post #1611 » by **dautjazz** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 2:33 am

mtron929 wrote:
dautjazz wrote:
mtron929 wrote:
More efficient shooter?

Ben Simmons TS: 55%
Donavan Mitchell TS: 54.6%

That changed very recently. Simmons has been on a tear lately, shooting .602 FG% in since the break his FT% is better too in this small sample size.

Well, ok. But regardless, it is pretty misleading to state that Mitchell is more efficient shooter now.

Ok, until sometime in the last 5 days or so, and I wasn't aware because I don't compare their efficiency numbers very often. I wasn't looking to mislead.

HotelVitale · Post #1612 » by **HotelVitale** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 2:35 am

dautjazz wrote:That changed very recently. Simmons has been on a tear lately, shooting .602 FG% in since the break his FT% is better too in this small sample size.

That tear's been going a lot longer than that and the sample is not particularly small: he shot 60% from the field for all of January, 57% in Feb, and like 67% in March so far. Altogether his true shooting since Jan 1 is over 60%, and that's 2+ months of sample size. Almost half the season so far.

EmperorLocky · Post #1613 » by **EmperorLocky** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 3:18 am

I fear they'll, if they still do, give co-rookie of the year award. It will be another travesty much like the Hill/Kidd co-rookie award.

LAL · Post #1614 » by **LAL** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 3:26 am

downtownpie wrote:
LAL wrote:
downtownpie wrote:

either way Ball isn't 1st team rookie in front of Simmons or Mitchell.

Again, there are no positions on rookie teams. Could literally have 5 point guards make first team.

Why put positions next to them then?

You’re asking the wrong person. I can’t read minds. I have no idea why he listed positions.

Post #1615 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 3:31 am

HotelVitale wrote:
dautjazz wrote:That changed very recently. Simmons has been on a tear lately, shooting .602 FG% in since the break his FT% is better too in this small sample size.

That tear's been going a lot longer than that and the sample is not particularly small: he shot 60% from the field for all of January, 57% in Feb, and like 67% in March so far. Altogether his true shooting since Jan 1 is well over 60%, and that's 2+ months of sample size. Almost half the season so far.

60.4 TS% since December 31st, 28 games.

Stonk · Post #1616 » by **Stonk** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 3:52 am

Simmons is fast becoming the best sixer (not a knock on embiid - he's a beast), let alone the best rookie.

deflated · Post #1617 » by **deflated** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 4:43 am

dautjazz wrote:
mtron929 wrote:
dautjazz wrote:
Oh, I assume we're saying that Simmons is the better defender, passer, and rebounder, and I'm fine with that. Mitchell is a more efficient shooter and higher volume scorer, something we needed with Gordon leaving. I really never cared about the ROY, just thrilled to have Mitchell.

More efficient shooter?

Ben Simmons TS: 55%
Donavan Mitchell TS: 54.6%

That changed very recently. Simmons has been on a tear lately, shooting .602 FG% in since the break his FT% is better too in this small sample size.

Just quietly Simmons has had a higher TS% than Mitchell in October, January, February and March. Mitchell's red-hot December makes up the difference.

dautjazz · Post #1618 » by **dautjazz** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 4:44 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
dautjazz wrote:That changed very recently. Simmons has been on a tear lately, shooting .602 FG% in since the break his FT% is better too in this small sample size.

That tear's been going a lot longer than that and the sample is not particularly small: he shot 60% from the field for all of January, 57% in Feb, and like 67% in March so far. Altogether his true shooting since Jan 1 is well over 60%, and that's 2+ months of sample size. Almost half the season so far.

60.4 TS% since December 31st, 28 games.

Mitchell is .574 over the last 41. Considering he's averaged 22.3ppg in that time, it's not bad. It'd be interesting to see Simmon's efficiency if he was taking 17-18 shots per game.

clyde21 · Post #1619 » by **clyde21** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 4:44 am

Trugger wrote:Simmons subbed out 2 boards short of a triple , bet Mitchell would have been left in to pad his stats !!

Simmons is averaging two more minutes per game than Mitchell.

#foh

bebopdeluxe · Post #1620 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Wed Mar 7, 2018 6:48 am

dautjazz wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
That tear's been going a lot longer than that and the sample is not particularly small: he shot 60% from the field for all of January, 57% in Feb, and like 67% in March so far. Altogether his true shooting since Jan 1 is well over 60%, and that's 2+ months of sample size. Almost half the season so far.

60.4 TS% since December 31st, 28 games.

Mitchell is .574 over the last 41. Considering he's averaged 22.3ppg in that time, it's not bad. It'd be interesting to see Simmon's efficiency if he was taking 17-18 shots per game.

Mitchell SHOULD shoot more than Ben. He’s a SHOOTING guard.

The other thing is while Mitchell gets a lot of buzz for his athleticism, Ben has a pretty good mixtape of dunks himself. That left-handed alleyoop from TJ tonight was pretty sick...tough pass but he adjusted to it effortlessly.

Everybody is in their tribe. Nobody’s changing votes. What they are both doing is amazing. But to win games Mitchell needs Gobert as much as Ben needs Jo...and the overall stat line that Ben is putting up - as well as the advanced metrics that he is throwing out there (against not only Mitchell but relative to the entire league) should mean more than being the 26th leading scorer.

But hey - that’s just me.

Who wins? (May select 2 options.)