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HoopsMalone wrote:Luka Doncic will NOT be a bust. That's impossible
RookieStar wrote:Stribor wrote:I bet Bagley will be Okafor 2.0 Athletically great for the game that was played 20 years ago ...
Say what? Aren't they polar opposites in terms of athleticism and motor? Weren't some poster claiming Okafor wouldn't even jump and here you have Bagley doing 3 jumps already while the man guarding him hasn't even landed from his 2nd jump. The guy was throwing lobs at himself over the backboard for the jam while the other won't even box out for the rebound.
Bob8 wrote:Just for fun try to forget MPJ is MPJ, look at his game and his body. Forget his missed shots, they’re normal after being out that long. What do you see?
Is that how franchise changing prospect should look?
MagicMatic wrote:MagicFan101 wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
Yeah are you sure he isn’t comparing Ayton to Okafor? Ayton is Okafor with an outside shot. Neither are stellar defensively in college.
It’s a lazy comparison because they both went to Duke. Bagley has a ridiculous motor and does all the little things those two don’t do.
That is a far lazier comparison than the Bagley-Okafor Duke reference.
Okafor is a 6’10 smart big man who plays bigger than he is. Ayton is a 7’1, true center with a 7’6 wingspan who can score from anywhere on the floor and hit free throws at a 75% rate. Notice that I sat SCORE, not just SHOOT as you said. Ayton can create offense for himself down low, mid-range and hit open 3-s.
He gobbles rebounds like peanuts. Yes, he needs a lot of work on rim protection and hat has to be factored in when risking such a high pick on him. But don’t undersell what he does well. It translates to every generation.
I’m not really comparing how they score as much as I’m comparing what they both don’t do at the college level. Which is play defense.
So, It doesn’t matter to me at all what Ayton accomplishes in college on the offensive end. If he struggles to do what Centers are required to do in the nba to stay on the floor, he’s a bust with pick #1.
MagicMatic wrote:MagicMatic wrote:MagicFan101 wrote:
That is a far lazier comparison than the Bagley-Okafor Duke reference.
Okafor is a 6’10 smart big man who plays bigger than he is. Ayton is a 7’1, true center with a 7’6 wingspan who can score from anywhere on the floor and hit free throws at a 75% rate. Notice that I sat SCORE, not just SHOOT as you said. Ayton can create offense for himself down low, mid-range and hit open 3-s.
He gobbles rebounds like peanuts. Yes, he needs a lot of work on rim protection and hat has to be factored in when risking such a high pick on him. But don’t undersell what he does well. It translates to every generation.
I’m not really comparing how they score as much as I’m comparing what they both don’t do at the college level. Which is play defense.
So, It doesn’t matter to me at all what Ayton accomplishes in college on the offensive end. If he struggles to do what Centers are required to do in the nba to stay on the floor, he’s a bust with pick #1.
Just thought I’d bump my own post for reference.
HoopsMalone wrote:Bob8 wrote:Just for fun try to forget MPJ is MPJ, look at his game and his body. Forget his missed shots, they’re normal after being out that long. What do you see?
Is that how franchise changing prospect should look?
Frankly, Porter was never a franchise changing prospect. Even before the injury. No one is quite sure where the hype ends and the substance begins with that guy.
He's got a shot to be a starter in the league. But I wouldn't bet my eggroll on it.
Skin wrote:I voted for Doncic. I just can't see him matching his hype. Will he be a Superstar? I don't see it. He doesn't have a size or athleticism advantage at his position. I love his smarts and his gritty style... I also love his vision. However, all that does for me is raise his floor and I think he'll definitely be a very good player in this league. Just not the transcendent talent he is being touted as. I'll say this though... if he ends up being an NBA PG, I think there is more room for upside in his profile. At PG, I would liken him to Goran Dragic who I've wanted on the Magic for a long time. At SG, I would liken him to Dion Waiters... another feisty SG with good assist numbers and limited athleticism....capable of lighting up the scoreboard on certain nights.
Not surprised by the Young votes. He's a wild mustang in the roaming free plains of Oklahoma. Most definitely needs to be corralled in some, but there's too much there for me to envision him being a bust. He may not become a Superstar either, but I don't think people are putting that label on him anymore either. So as far as meeting expectations go, I think he actually has a good chance to surpass the common thought out there on him.
1) Ball handling - You can't take that away from him. He's got the ball on a string and can maneuver anywhere he wants on the court with the ball in his hands.
2) Vision - Leading the nation in assists is no common feat. Doing it surrounded by the level of talent of his teammates and it's a modern day miracle. His court vision and passing skills should also translate to the NBA.
3) Scoring - There's a difference between a shooter and a scorer. Shooters can get hot or cold... play off the ball... or have to take shots from their sweet spots. Scorers attack. They have a fierce mentality of finding ways to put the ball in the basket and aren't afraid of taking big shots. Kevin Durant once commented on Oladipo saying how it's a talent just to put up a high amount of FGs. Young's shooting can be hot or cold, but he always delivers in the scoring department and that is bolstered by his high FT attemps. Something that reflects his attacking mentality.
4) Coachability - We have seen Young's willingness to accommodate his team by sacrificing his play and listening to his coach. With NBA level coaching, I think Young has the right attitude and composition to accept coaching and hopefully with the right coach, make the right adjustments to his game to make him a more impactful.
Things that go against him are his size and defense, but neither are required for stardom in terms of NBA PGs. Contrarily, good defensive PGs that don't bring the offense don't reach stardom.
MagicMatic wrote:Skin wrote:I voted for Doncic. I just can't see him matching his hype. Will he be a Superstar? I don't see it. He doesn't have a size or athleticism advantage at his position. I love his smarts and his gritty style... I also love his vision. However, all that does for me is raise his floor and I think he'll definitely be a very good player in this league. Just not the transcendent talent he is being touted as. I'll say this though... if he ends up being an NBA PG, I think there is more room for upside in his profile. At PG, I would liken him to Goran Dragic who I've wanted on the Magic for a long time. At SG, I would liken him to Dion Waiters... another feisty SG with good assist numbers and limited athleticism....capable of lighting up the scoreboard on certain nights.
Not surprised by the Young votes. He's a wild mustang in the roaming free plains of Oklahoma. Most definitely needs to be corralled in some, but there's too much there for me to envision him being a bust. He may not become a Superstar either, but I don't think people are putting that label on him anymore either. So as far as meeting expectations go, I think he actually has a good chance to surpass the common thought out there on him.
1) Ball handling - You can't take that away from him. He's got the ball on a string and can maneuver anywhere he wants on the court with the ball in his hands.
2) Vision - Leading the nation in assists is no common feat. Doing it surrounded by the level of talent of his teammates and it's a modern day miracle. His court vision and passing skills should also translate to the NBA.
3) Scoring - There's a difference between a shooter and a scorer. Shooters can get hot or cold... play off the ball... or have to take shots from their sweet spots. Scorers attack. They have a fierce mentality of finding ways to put the ball in the basket and aren't afraid of taking big shots. Kevin Durant once commented on Oladipo saying how it's a talent just to put up a high amount of FGs. Young's shooting can be hot or cold, but he always delivers in the scoring department and that is bolstered by his high FT attemps. Something that reflects his attacking mentality.
4) Coachability - We have seen Young's willingness to accommodate his team by sacrificing his play and listening to his coach. With NBA level coaching, I think Young has the right attitude and composition to accept coaching and hopefully with the right coach, make the right adjustments to his game to make him a more impactful.
Things that go against him are his size and defense, but neither are required for stardom in terms of NBA PGs. Contrarily, good defensive PGs that don't bring the offense don't reach stardom.
maybe I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time.