Luka Doncic Part III

[Nikson]

It's a nice article. Two takeaways:

One: big difference between 28 and 18, especially when the 28 year old had 10 years of mileage playing against the likes of Garnett, Duncan, Malone, Shaq, C-Webb, etc.

Two: Anthony Randolph is in Euroleague, that alone speaks volumes to the disparity in talent between Euroleague and the NBA.

Aren't we talking about Doncic and comparing him to his draft class/peers? Am I missing something here?

Well I said a lot of things, so not sure what was being brought up, but sure, fair enough. One thing I've mentioned is the level of competition in Euroleague is not great, I think if Randolph is there (albeit it as a teammate) that speaks volumes, that guy was all but booted from the NBA for sucking.

With respect to talent in the draft class, I've commented on how doncic does have some ncie skills, even compared him to solid NBA guys in the mold of Joe Ingles and hedo Turkaglu. That said, in this draft, I would not take him over Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Jackson jr, Mikal bridges, or a healthy MPJ. I'd put him in the tier of Wendall Carter and Colin Sexton.

You are right about 25+ years old Randolph, he is not in NBA.

There is still sweet 16 teams fighting for a NCAA Championship right now. All young guys. 192 of them. The best of the best who we are still watching them compete not just talking about them in vacuum.
How are this guys doing, (Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Jackson jr, Mikal bridges, or a healthy MPJ)?
Are they still in competition for championship?

[daoneandonly]

Aren't we talking about Doncic and comparing him to his draft class/peers? Am I missing something here?

Well I said a lot of things, so not sure what was being brought up, but sure, fair enough. One thing I've mentioned is the level of competition in Euroleague is not great, I think if Randolph is there (albeit it as a teammate) that speaks volumes, that guy was all but booted from the NBA for sucking.

With respect to talent in the draft class, I've commented on how doncic does have some ncie skills, even compared him to solid NBA guys in the mold of Joe Ingles and hedo Turkaglu. That said, in this draft, I would not take him over Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Jackson jr, Mikal bridges, or a healthy MPJ. I'd put him in the tier of Wendall Carter and Colin Sexton.

But surely you would agree that Euroleague is a better competition level than NCAA still?

I mean Anthony Randolph @ age 27 with a lot of pro seasons under his belt would eat most of the current ncaa @19-23 competition for breakfast, just to see if we're on the same page?

Most, I can agree with that of course. But the top half of the draft class, no, I'd say even at 18-22 those guys would show Mr magic Randolph a thing or two. There's a reason the guy is no longer in the NBA, he was just not that good.

Spekaing of NCAA, a #16 team finally defeated a #1, so heck anything could happen. That's been my stance, I have a hard time believing that Doncic is finally going to be the permiter player/guard from Europe to finally break the mold and be a superstar, because it's never been done before. I'm sure ppl had their doubts about Dirk when he came out, but he and a few other bigs have proven themselves to be bonafide stars, still waiting for the first perimeter guy to do the same.

[burek3]

Well I said a lot of things, so not sure what was being brought up, but sure, fair enough. One thing I've mentioned is the level of competition in Euroleague is not great, I think if Randolph is there (albeit it as a teammate) that speaks volumes, that guy was all but booted from the NBA for sucking.

With respect to talent in the draft class, I've commented on how doncic does have some ncie skills, even compared him to solid NBA guys in the mold of Joe Ingles and hedo Turkaglu. That said, in this draft, I would not take him over Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Jackson jr, Mikal bridges, or a healthy MPJ. I'd put him in the tier of Wendall Carter and Colin Sexton.

But surely you would agree that Euroleague is a better competition level than NCAA still?

I mean Anthony Randolph @ age 27 with a lot of pro seasons under his belt would eat most of the current ncaa @19-23 competition for breakfast, just to see if we're on the same page?

Most, I can agree with that of course. But the top half of the draft class, no, I'd say even at 18-22 those guys would show Mr magic Randolph a thing or two. There's a reason the guy is no longer in the NBA, he was just not that good.

Spekaing of NCAA, a #16 team finally defeated a #1, so heck anything could happen. That's been my stance, I have a hard time believing that Doncic is finally going to be the permiter player/guard from Europe to finally break the mold and be a superstar, because it's never been done before. I'm sure ppl had their doubts about Dirk when he came out, but he and a few other bigs have proven themselves to be bonafide stars, still waiting for the first perimeter guy to do the same.

Now you pulling the hay with "Mr. magic Randolph"

I don't know, Ayton looked pretty poor in the game they lost in first round. I know 1 game sample isn't much (the only FULL game of his that I watched, other things only highlights/scout reports), but it sure did look like he didn't give a F*.

Doncic at least has proper winning attitude.

[Bob8]

Well I said a lot of things, so not sure what was being brought up, but sure, fair enough. One thing I've mentioned is the level of competition in Euroleague is not great, I think if Randolph is there (albeit it as a teammate) that speaks volumes, that guy was all but booted from the NBA for sucking.

With respect to talent in the draft class, I've commented on how doncic does have some ncie skills, even compared him to solid NBA guys in the mold of Joe Ingles and hedo Turkaglu. That said, in this draft, I would not take him over Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Jackson jr, Mikal bridges, or a healthy MPJ. I'd put him in the tier of Wendall Carter and Colin Sexton.

But surely you would agree that Euroleague is a better competition level than NCAA still?

I mean Anthony Randolph @ age 27 with a lot of pro seasons under his belt would eat most of the current ncaa @19-23 competition for breakfast, just to see if we're on the same page?

Most, I can agree with that of course. But the top half of the draft class, no, I'd say even at 18-22 those guys would show Mr magic Randolph a thing or two. There's a reason the guy is no longer in the NBA, he was just not that good.

Spekaing of NCAA, a #16 team finally defeated a #1, so heck anything could happen. That's been my stance, I have a hard time believing that Doncic is finally going to be the permiter player/guard from Europe to finally break the mold and be a superstar, because it's never been done before. I'm sure ppl had their doubts about Dirk when he came out, but he and a few other bigs have proven themselves to be bonafide stars, still waiting for the first perimeter guy to do the same.

How many players from this year draft class will be in Nba in 10 years? Nobody is better than Randolph at the moment.

[Nikson]

I have look for myself. This is what I found:
- Ayton,
- Bagley,
- Bamba,
- Jackson jr,
- Mikal bridges,
- MPJ (not healthy)

The red ones will never play in best of 16 NCAA tournament?
#1 candidates, yeah like GM-s are so dumb.

Beside that, there is not a single player born after 1999 became a bonafide star yet.

[Bob8]

I have look for myself. This is what I found:
Ayton,
Bagley,
Bamba,
Jackson jr,
Mikal bridges,
MPJ (not healthy)

Looks plausible. And I believe Randolph will have another try in Nba. He’s better and stronger now. He has developed 3pointer shot and new Nba looks much more Randolph friendly.

[daoneandonly]

I have look for myself. This is what I found:
- Ayton,
- Bagley,
- Bamba,
- Jackson jr,
- Mikal bridges,
- MPJ (not healthy)

The red ones will never play in best of 16 NCAA tournament?
#1 candidates, yeah like GM-s are so dumb.

Beside that, there is not a single player born after 1999 became a bonafide star yet.

Already mistaken. Mikal Bridges was on a national championship team a few years back, so clearly he went to the Sweet 16 and beyond. and his team is still in it this year, so again, final 16.

[Nikson]

I have look for myself. This is what I found:
- Ayton,
- Bagley,
- Bamba,
- Jackson jr,
- Mikal bridges,
- MPJ (not healthy)

The red ones will never play in best of 16 NCAA tournament?
#1 candidates, yeah like GM-s are so dumb.

Beside that, there is not a single player born after 1999 became a bonafide star yet.

Already mistaken. Mikal Bridges was on a national championship team a few years back, so clearly he went to the Sweet 16 and beyond. and his team is still in it this year, so again, final 16.

Right.

I can't be right all the time. He is one of 192 of them.

[daoneandonly]

I have look for myself. This is what I found:
- Ayton,
- Bagley,
- Bamba,
- Jackson jr,
- Mikal bridges,
- MPJ (not healthy)

The red ones will never play in best of 16 NCAA tournament?
#1 candidates, yeah like GM-s are so dumb.

Beside that, there is not a single player born after 1999 became a bonafide star yet.

And the 1999 argument is ridiculous, who has come to the NBA and tried in that category? Whereas, I've continuously named several Euro/Eastern hemisphere guards that came and either sucked or just became average, again, Exum (sucks), Hezonja (sucks), Rubio (average), Shroeder (average), and soon to be Ntikkina (we'll see if he sucks or becomes average)

And those were the drafted guys. I won't get into complete and utter bums who came to the NBA later like Antoine Rigaedeau who was a complete and utter bum but was a superstar in euroleague

[Nikson]

I have look for myself. This is what I found:
- Ayton,
- Bagley,
- Bamba,
- Jackson jr,
- Mikal bridges,
- MPJ (not healthy)

The red ones will never play in best of 16 NCAA tournament?
#1 candidates, yeah like GM-s are so dumb.

Beside that, there is not a single player born after 1999 became a bonafide star yet.

And the 1999 argument is ridiculous, who has come to the NBA and tried in that category? Whereas, I've continuously named several Euro/Eastern hemisphere guards that came and either sucked or just became average, again, Exum (sucks), Hezonja (sucks), Rubio (average), Shroeder (average), and soon to be Ntikkina (we'll see if he sucks or becomes average)

And those were the drafted guys. I won't get into complete and utter bums who came to the NBA later like Antoine Rigaedeau who was a complete and utter bum but was a superstar in euroleague

If you try hard enough you could find a 2000 drafted players who sucked and have never been in Europe, could you? What would it tell about them or their origins?

Those you numbered, none of them was never close doing in Europe what Dončić is doing. They even now are not doing nothing better than him. Who is Ntikkina??? Where is he playing?

[Bob8]

I have look for myself. This is what I found:
- Ayton,
- Bagley,
- Bamba,
- Jackson jr,
- Mikal bridges,
- MPJ (not healthy)

The red ones will never play in best of 16 NCAA tournament?
#1 candidates, yeah like GM-s are so dumb.

Beside that, there is not a single player born after 1999 became a bonafide star yet.

And the 1999 argument is ridiculous, who has come to the NBA and tried in that category? Whereas, I've continuously named several Euro/Eastern hemisphere guards that came and either sucked or just became average, again, Exum (sucks), Hezonja (sucks), Rubio (average), Shroeder (average), and soon to be Ntikkina (we'll see if he sucks or becomes average)

And those were the drafted guys. I won't get into complete and utter bums who came to the NBA later like Antoine Rigaedeau who was a complete and utter bum but was a superstar in euroleague

That’s how #1 draft picks look in Europe.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=007615&seasoncode=e2016

1.2/0.9/0.2 Euroleague is much harder league to play than Nba.

[daoneandonly]

I have look for myself. This is what I found:
- Ayton,
- Bagley,
- Bamba,
- Jackson jr,
- Mikal bridges,
- MPJ (not healthy)

The red ones will never play in best of 16 NCAA tournament?
#1 candidates, yeah like GM-s are so dumb.

Beside that, there is not a single player born after 1999 became a bonafide star yet.

And the 1999 argument is ridiculous, who has come to the NBA and tried in that category? Whereas, I've continuously named several Euro/Eastern hemisphere guards that came and either sucked or just became average, again, Exum (sucks), Hezonja (sucks), Rubio (average), Shroeder (average), and soon to be Ntikkina (we'll see if he sucks or becomes average)

And those were the drafted guys. I won't get into complete and utter bums who came to the NBA later like Antoine Rigaedeau who was a complete and utter bum but was a superstar in euroleague

If you try hard enough you could find a 2000 drafted players who sucked and have never been in Europe, could you? What would it tell about them or their origins?

Of course, what's your point? You could name several that lived up to or exceeded their hype as well. Yet we as a basketball fan nation cannot in 2018 name a single superstar NBA guard from the Eastern hemisphere. Forwards/Centers yes, they've had soem of the best ever, guards, nada. So 'll believe the Doncic hype only when i see it happen during NBA games.

[LukaV]

Impressive stamina from some of the posters here. I hope Doncic will have such stamina in his rookie season and that he'll avoid hitting the rookie wall too hard.

It's a shame that teams with some of the most touted prospects have already been eliminated from the NCAA tournament, I'd love to see more of Ayton, Young,... I know there have been a few guys whose teams haven't performed well in the NCAA and went on to become great rookies (Simmons, for example), but as a GM I'd be concerned with using a top pick on a freshman whose team got bounced in the first round with the freshman playing not-so-well. We'll see.

[Nikson]

We can't talk about logical things obviously.

[Nikson]

Impressive stamina from some of the posters here. I hope Doncic will have such stamina in his rookie season and that he'll avoid hitting the rookie wall too hard.

It's a shame that teams with some of the most touted prospects have already been eliminated from the NCAA tournament, I'd love to see more of Ayton, Young,... I know there have been a few guys whose teams haven't performed well in the NCAA and went on to become great rookies (Simmons, for example), but as a GM I'd be concerned with using a top pick on a freshman whose team got bounced in the first round with the freshman playing not-so-well. We'll see.

Luka is a sure thing. He is not questionable.

[daoneandonly]

Impressive stamina from some of the posters here. I hope Doncic will have such stamina in his rookie season and that he'll avoid hitting the rookie wall too hard.

It's a shame that teams with some of the most touted prospects have already been eliminated from the NCAA tournament, I'd love to see more of Ayton, Young,... I know there have been a few guys whose teams haven't performed well in the NCAA and went on to become great rookies (Simmons, for example), but as a GM I'd be concerned with using a top pick on a freshman whose team got bounced in the first round with the freshman playing not-so-well. We'll see.

Luka is a sure thing. He is not questionable.

You talk about logical? There's nothing in this world that's a sure thing except taxes and death

[Homerclease]

I have look for myself. This is what I found:
- Ayton,
- Bagley,
- Bamba,
- Jackson jr,
- Mikal bridges,
- MPJ (not healthy)

The red ones will never play in best of 16 NCAA tournament?
#1 candidates, yeah like GM-s are so dumb.

Beside that, there is not a single player born after 1999 became a bonafide star yet.

Ben Simmons team didn’t even make the tournament. He seems to be doing just fine after being selected number one overall.

[JHFVF07]

I cant see a world where Luka dont average, at least, 20/6/6, with good eficiency and defense, in 2 or 3 years of NBA, with all space he will have to operate. He is a smart player, with good size and handle, even if not a great athlet, he will become a nightmare on PnR situations.
He looks like a safe pick, with real high floor and a good ceiling(not as high as Ayton, but not low). If Im a team wanting to win games, Im drafting Doncic whitout think twice.

[Bob8]

I have look for myself. This is what I found:
- Ayton,
- Bagley,
- Bamba,
- Jackson jr,
- Mikal bridges,
- MPJ (not healthy)

The red ones will never play in best of 16 NCAA tournament?
#1 candidates, yeah like GM-s are so dumb.

Beside that, there is not a single player born after 1999 became a bonafide star yet.

Ben Simmons team didn’t even make the tournament. He seems to be doing just fine after being selected number one overall.

Simmons is from eastern Hemisphere and our Mavs fan here, doesn’t like guards from eastern Hemisphere.

[Don7]

Trained today with the team.