The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

[Litany]

Mitchell has had a great rookie season and would win ROY in most years but if he wins it over Simmons then they should just do away with the ROY award. What are we even doing if Simmons doesn’t win? He’s clearly the best rookie. You can’t make a case for anyone but Simmons.

Clearly there IS a debate to be had about it. Not just Jazz homers and local pundits . We're seeing it everywhere, by the national writers, national radio hosts, by current and former NBA players, national TV pundits on ESPN and FOX, on discussion boards , and national media in general.

So as much as YOU want to think "there is no debate to be had...it's ovvvvaaa" people around the world disagree and are having a discussion about it. But feel free to continue thinking "they should do away with the award...you can't make a case for anyone but Simmons." Many people are...if you wanna plug your ears and say lalala, go for it, but the rest of us will continue discussing what each guy is and enjoy how awesome both of them are and when one or the other wins it we'll congratulate them.

There is no debate. Simmons is better than Mitchell by any metric you want to use. If you go by counting stats Simmons is better. If you go by advanced stats Simmons is better. If you go by impact on the team Simmons is better. If you go by eye test Simmons is better. The only reason some people debate Simmons should not win is because they are the ones saying Simmons isn't a real rookie. Clowns like Paul Pierce and other NBA players use that as a knock to not vote for Simmons. If everyone looks at this logically then there is no race. And it's rookie of the year. What was Mitchell doing in the first month of the season from October through November? Simmons was winning ROM back then. Mitchell didn't even turn it on until the month of December. There's nothing wrong with being the second best rookie behind Simmons. I like Mitchell. He's going to be an all star sooner than later but he didn't have a better season. It's VERY clear.

That's just it...It's NOT very clear. That's why there are debates going on everywhere about it.

Clearly you just listen to narratives spouted by those that are uninformed . Mitchell scored 20+ in his 6th game of the season, this notion that he "didn't do anything until December" is patently false.

I guess Chris Mannix, NBA.com, ESPN writers, TheRinger, USA Today, Slam Online, CBS Sports, SBNation, former NBA legends Barkley and Shaq, and almost any other person discussing or writing about the ROTY race and debating it are clowns..okay

[clyde21]

As the most non biased person in this thread this is easily D-Mitch.

[dukes_wild]

As the most non biased person in this thread this is easily D-Mitch.

[Unbreakable99]

Clearly there IS a debate to be had about it. Not just Jazz homers and local pundits . We're seeing it everywhere, by the national writers, national radio hosts, by current and former NBA players, national TV pundits on ESPN and FOX, on discussion boards , and national media in general.

So as much as YOU want to think "there is no debate to be had...it's ovvvvaaa" people around the world disagree and are having a discussion about it. But feel free to continue thinking "they should do away with the award...you can't make a case for anyone but Simmons." Many people are...if you wanna plug your ears and say lalala, go for it, but the rest of us will continue discussing what each guy is and enjoy how awesome both of them are and when one or the other wins it we'll congratulate them.

There is no debate. Simmons is better than Mitchell by any metric you want to use. If you go by counting stats Simmons is better. If you go by advanced stats Simmons is better. If you go by impact on the team Simmons is better. If you go by eye test Simmons is better. The only reason some people debate Simmons should not win is because they are the ones saying Simmons isn't a real rookie. Clowns like Paul Pierce and other NBA players use that as a knock to not vote for Simmons. If everyone looks at this logically then there is no race. And it's rookie of the year. What was Mitchell doing in the first month of the season from October through November? Simmons was winning ROM back then. Mitchell didn't even turn it on until the month of December. There's nothing wrong with being the second best rookie behind Simmons. I like Mitchell. He's going to be an all star sooner than later but he didn't have a better season. It's VERY clear.

That's just it...It's NOT very clear. That's why there are debates going on everywhere about it.

Clearly you just listen to narratives spouted by those that are uninformed . Mitchell scored 20+ in his 6th game of the season, this notion that he "didn't do anything until December" is patently false.

I guess Chris Mannix, NBA.com, ESPN writers, TheRinger, USA Today, Slam Online, CBS Sports, SBNation, former NBA legends Barkley and Shaq, and almost any other person discussing or writing about the ROTY race and debating it are clowns..okay

Yes they are clowns. Thank you for acknowledging. I can’t see any logic of saying Mitchell should be ROY. It’s not close. Simmons is a much better defender and may make the all defense team. He’s that good. People just want to stir nonsense up when there is no debate just like when people tried to make it a debate between Simmons and Ingram on who should go number one.

[MR28]

As the most non biased person in this thread this is easily D-Mitch.

"He was injured so now he's better!"

[dukes_wild]

The arrogance you must have to label yourself as "the most non-biased person in this thread" in a thread that consists of 2400+ posts

[clyde21]

The arrogance you must have to label yourself as "the most non-biased person in this thread" in a thread that consists of 2400+ posts

This thread is filled with fans of teams with rookies that are talking up their own player. I have no horse in this race.

[dukes_wild]

The arrogance you must have to label yourself as "the most non-biased person in this thread" in a thread that consists of 2400+ posts

This thread is filled with fans of teams with rookies that are talking up their own player. I have no horse in this race.

In 2400 posts I'm sure there's plenty of non-Jazz/Sixers fans choosing Mitchell or Simmons, me being one of them

[clyde21]

The arrogance you must have to label yourself as "the most non-biased person in this thread" in a thread that consists of 2400+ posts

This thread is filled with fans of teams with rookies that are talking up their own player. I have no horse in this race.

In 2400 posts I'm sure there's plenty of non-Jazz/Sixers fans choosing Mitchell or Simmons, me being one of them

Let's not get crazy here.

[Litany]

There is no debate. Simmons is better than Mitchell by any metric you want to use. If you go by counting stats Simmons is better. If you go by advanced stats Simmons is better. If you go by impact on the team Simmons is better. If you go by eye test Simmons is better. The only reason some people debate Simmons should not win is because they are the ones saying Simmons isn't a real rookie. Clowns like Paul Pierce and other NBA players use that as a knock to not vote for Simmons. If everyone looks at this logically then there is no race. And it's rookie of the year. What was Mitchell doing in the first month of the season from October through November? Simmons was winning ROM back then. Mitchell didn't even turn it on until the month of December. There's nothing wrong with being the second best rookie behind Simmons. I like Mitchell. He's going to be an all star sooner than later but he didn't have a better season. It's VERY clear.

That's just it...It's NOT very clear. That's why there are debates going on everywhere about it.

Clearly you just listen to narratives spouted by those that are uninformed . Mitchell scored 20+ in his 6th game of the season, this notion that he "didn't do anything until December" is patently false.

I guess Chris Mannix, NBA.com, ESPN writers, TheRinger, USA Today, Slam Online, CBS Sports, SBNation, former NBA legends Barkley and Shaq, and almost any other person discussing or writing about the ROTY race and debating it are clowns..okay

Yes they are clowns. Thank you for acknowledging. I can’t see any logic of saying Mitchell should be ROY. It’s not close. Simmons is a much better defender and may make the all defense team. He’s that good. People just want to stir nonsense up when there is no debate just like when people tried to make it a debate between Simmons and Ingram on who should go number one.

Sigh...those are completely different situations. One is a projection, the other is looking at what has happened.

Sorry if anyone who disagrees with your point of view is a clown. Not sure what you're doing on a discussion board

[jbent87]

wait.... this is still happening? How?

[Hipster Doofus]

As I said about a hundred pages back lol, Ben's got this on lock

[commentatorer]

If voters go by the idea that Simmons is not a real rookie, then no matter what Simmons does he isn't going to get their vote.
That's the only way Simmons doesn't win it.
And by their logic the more intelligently Simmons plays the more it proves he's not a real rookie....

[dkj5061]

The arrogance you must have to label yourself as "the most non-biased person in this thread" in a thread that consists of 2400+ posts

This thread is filled with fans of teams with rookies that are talking up their own player. I have no horse in this race.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "your horse in the race" that Simmons benefitted greatly from his injured year and shouldn't be considered a rookie? That seems like a bias

[michaelm]

That's just it...It's NOT very clear. That's why there are debates going on everywhere about it.

Clearly you just listen to narratives spouted by those that are uninformed . Mitchell scored 20+ in his 6th game of the season, this notion that he "didn't do anything until December" is patently false.

I guess Chris Mannix, NBA.com, ESPN writers, TheRinger, USA Today, Slam Online, CBS Sports, SBNation, former NBA legends Barkley and Shaq, and almost any other person discussing or writing about the ROTY race and debating it are clowns..okay

Yes they are clowns. Thank you for acknowledging. I can’t see any logic of saying Mitchell should be ROY. It’s not close. Simmons is a much better defender and may make the all defense team. He’s that good. People just want to stir nonsense up when there is no debate just like when people tried to make it a debate between Simmons and Ingram on who should go number one.

Sigh...those are completely different situations. One is a projection, the other is looking at what has happened.

Sorry if anyone who disagrees with your point of view is a clown. Not sure what you're doing on a discussion board

I think it is a close run thing myself, but you weaken your case by mentioning supporters of Mitchell who definitely are clowns as far as opinions on current basketball matters ie Barkley, Shaq and pretty much any ESPN writer.

[High 5]

Quick commercial break from the Simmons/Mitchell debate:

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[Black Mage]

Just out of curiosity, did anyone else notice on the Jazz final play, Mitchell passes, holds up his hands to get the ball back.

When the ball didn't come to him he just kept walking backwards out of the half court.

He literally left his team to play 4 on 5 on the last offensive possession of the game.

Did anyone else notice this? Anyone have the game feed of It? The replay used a zoomed out view where you could see the entire half court.

[QPR]

The arrogance you must have to label yourself as "the most non-biased person in this thread" in a thread that consists of 2400+ posts

This thread is filled with fans of teams with rookies that are talking up their own player. I have no horse in this race.

You have weird obsessions with players though, Jokic being another one.

I am also not a Sixers or a Jazz fan and can see pretty clearly that Simmons has been the best rookie this season. In fact you could make an argument for him being in the top 25 players over the whole league this season.

[downtownpie]

Barkley, Shaq and others make their pick for ROTY, yeeahhh Donovan, you go boy

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No surprise they dont like simmons. He's Australian. Cant have a foreigner winning.

[bebopdeluxe]

I think that Simmons is a good player, but i think that his impact is currently overrated. He has some crazy tools but he also has significant weaknesses that prevent him form using those tools in full measure. Having no jump shot seems like a single weakness but it is far from the truth. It is like having no ability to jump. Shooting doesnt only affect how much you can score but also affects how many offensive threats you have to create plays from. It also affects how useful you are without the ball by creating space and being able to finish plays that others create for you. Simmons is also a limited finisher at the rim. Mostly using his right hand even as he shoots jumpers with his left hand (he should switch to his right as he has far more touch with it). He is a limited offensive threat witch limits his playmaking options. He is also a good defender but again overrated due to his high rebound numbers. He is versatile but not as much as it would seam because he is a not a good rim protector or from what ive seen and is not so good at defending bigs.

I think that he is a good player but not as much as his stats portray him as and not better than Mitchell.

I don't mind the discussion, but you're just making stuff up and makes this argument cringy to read.

How on earth is Simmons a limited finisher at the rim? He has one of the biggest amount of attempts near the rim in the NBA and he finishes 74.3%(!!) within 3 feet, that's LeBron James/Giannis Antetokounmpo territory.

And now we're calling Simmons an overrated defender because he rebounds at an elite rate for a PG? Sure he has a massive advantage over the traditional PG, but that's what makes him so unique. He does the things normal PG's do while being 6'10''.
Saying that he does a poor job at defending bigs is also questionable. He defended Trey Burke last night and switched effectively on Enes Kanter for example. Due to this massive lineup with Simmons the Sixers can switch nearly everything which is the key to their top 5 defense.

I would just stop trying to engage this guy with facts. “Limited finisher at the rim” indeed. That is just BRUTAL.