We "Don't" Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread

[Diop]

People should yet you and Slam have told people not to in the past. If this is what needed to happen to change from the top down then I am glad it went this route and hopefully this is real and not lip service.

Huh?!?!?


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It’s all your fault Slam!

[JDR720]

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[JDR720]

Monk has averaged 14 points on 50% overall and 47% 3pt over the past 5 games.

[springcadre]

PURE scoring guard

[DY_nasty]

what a thread

[Robot Rock]

Hey remember when Hoops Malone said he was the worst player in the NBA

Lol

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[JDR720]

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Best player in Hornet history.

[TheKingofSting]

Clifford sounded like a bigger dummy than usual postgame. Surely this clown and his 1930's offense are out after this season!


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[MasterIchiro]

Kupchack won't be trading him.

[catch20two]

Clifford gonna bench Monk if he keeps this up. It’s making him look like a even bigger fool than he already looked.

[fatlever]

Why does it feel like I'm the one that's always raining on everyone's parade lately? Yes monks second-half tonight was very impressive, especially the shooting and obviously that dunk. But did everyone miss the first half? I'm not talking about the fact that he only had two points in that half I'm talking about all of the other parts of the game. It was not good. And despite a massive uptick in playing time in March monk still had the lowest net rating on the team for March. His Advanced stats are still really really bad. I get that everyone really wants to see him succeed and to rub it in Clifford's face for not playing him all year but let's just not try to get too excited about one of his random scoring outburst. He's got to show a lot more than getting hot for a quarter from Deep before I'm going to start getting excited about his prospects as a potential starter.

I think he's had recent games lately where he played an overall better game than he did tonight.

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[Soul Rebel]

Why does it feel like I'm the one that's always raining on everyone's parade lately? Yes monks second-half tonight was very impressive, especially the shooting and obviously that dunk. But did everyone miss the first half? I'm not talking about the fact that he only had two points in that half I'm talking about all of the other parts of the game. It was not good. And despite a massive uptick in playing time in March monk still had the lowest net rating on the team for March. His Advanced stats are still really really bad. I get that everyone really wants to see him succeed and to rub it in Clifford's face for not playing him all year but let's just not try to get too excited about one of his random scoring outburst. He's got to show a lot more than getting hot for a quarter from Deep before I'm going to start getting excited about his prospects as a potential starter.

I think he's had recent games lately where he played an overall better game than he did tonight.

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I get where you're going with this, but for me, it's more about Cliff hamstringing all of our rookies. It's as if they are too inexperienced and raw to get any PT in his system (which they are in most senses), but then in turn, not giving them the latitude to be allowed to make mistakes and get better.... thus improving and shaking off the inexperience.

Malik is a Steve Francis-esque alpha style of player that has potential to be a beast if given the time to grow. He doesn't lack the confidence, but sitting in GBoro and at the end of the bench getting garbage cleanup play will stunt his growth, as well as his confidence.

Dude was a 19 year old, 11th overall pick and came from a talented collegiate program. It's not like we are trying to figure out whether or not to play Ajinca or P.J.

[BeesWax]

Why does it feel like I'm the one that's always raining on everyone's parade lately? Yes monks second-half tonight was very impressive, especially the shooting and obviously that dunk. But did everyone miss the first half? I'm not talking about the fact that he only had two points in that half I'm talking about all of the other parts of the game. It was not good. And despite a massive uptick in playing time in March monk still had the lowest net rating on the team for March. His Advanced stats are still really really bad. I get that everyone really wants to see him succeed and to rub it in Clifford's face for not playing him all year but let's just not try to get too excited about one of his random scoring outburst. He's got to show a lot more than getting hot for a quarter from Deep before I'm going to start getting excited about his prospects as a potential starter.

I think he's had recent games lately where he played an overall better game than he did tonight.

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Thats the rub though. If Cliff had played him all along then maybe he would be further along in some of the aspects he was less experienced in. Coach decided to play MCW over and over again while he wasn't playing well and Frank never sniffed the bench when he started off terribly so why punish Monk. I think one thing that has made him look better in a number of games is when the guys he plays with are playing better as well. Early in the season Frank was a disaster and Lamb was starting so he was missing any help in the second unit. Now with those two he looks much more competent. He will still have some bad halves because he is still very raw due to a lack of playing time but he is showing signs of getting better in a lot of way. Some of the switching he did on defense tonight was very well done and he and Frank moved on and off Portis in a switch on the wing seamlessly.

I think the biggest reason to rub it in Cliffs face is if he had been getting steady minutes this is what we would have seen months ago and what we would be getting now is even better. I think you could argue with his offensive outburst if he played through his growing pains a little more earlier, when MCW was costing us games killing the bench anyway, we might have had a better Monk now and a few more wins and have been more in the playoff hunt, to all those who wanted to be the 8th seed. It wasn't like the backups were crushing it all year and our starters were letting us down.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Monk definitely has his weaknesses and warts, especially so on the defensive end. It's also clear that he's much better off the ball than on. Playing him with Kemba helps his offense, but really magnifies the defensive shortcomings of both players. The things that I like the least about him is the lack of effort on some plays and some of the body language we saw mid-season. He owns both of those.

That said I'm mostly in agreement with Soul Rebel. Monk has been misused most of the season and poorly developed in terms of on the court time/position/etc. That's on Cliff & his staff. I 100% agree with the notion that you have to let players make mistakes and learn from them. If they don't learn ... and don't fix bad habits, then you bench them. I've never really felt that this was Cliff's approach.

[MasterIchiro]

Why does it feel like I'm the one that's always raining on everyone's parade lately? Yes monks second-half tonight was very impressive, especially the shooting and obviously that dunk. But did everyone miss the first half? I'm not talking about the fact that he only had two points in that half I'm talking about all of the other parts of the game. It was not good. And despite a massive uptick in playing time in March monk still had the lowest net rating on the team for March. His Advanced stats are still really really bad. I get that everyone really wants to see him succeed and to rub it in Clifford's face for not playing him all year but let's just not try to get too excited about one of his random scoring outburst. He's got to show a lot more than getting hot for a quarter from Deep before I'm going to start getting excited about his prospects as a potential starter.

I think he's had recent games lately where he played an overall better game than he did tonight.

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Point taken, but put another way...

Monk put up 20+ points and it wasn't his best effort.

Or you can say on any given day he may sleep walk his way into 20 points.

When it all comes together for him, what will he be doing on a consistent basis? What will his performances look like when he's lighting it up throughout the first half and the second, wall-to-wall?

What was Kemba Walker doing as a teenager? At 19 I think he was a sophomore at UConn.

[Joest2003]

Why does it feel like I'm the one that's always raining on everyone's parade lately? Yes monks second-half tonight was very impressive, especially the shooting and obviously that dunk. But did everyone miss the first half? I'm not talking about the fact that he only had two points in that half I'm talking about all of the other parts of the game. It was not good. And despite a massive uptick in playing time in March monk still had the lowest net rating on the team for March. His Advanced stats are still really really bad. I get that everyone really wants to see him succeed and to rub it in Clifford's face for not playing him all year but let's just not try to get too excited about one of his random scoring outburst. He's got to show a lot more than getting hot for a quarter from Deep before I'm going to start getting excited about his prospects as a potential starter.

I think he's had recent games lately where he played an overall better game than he did tonight.

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Hes 19.....Kemba wasn't even a good college player when he was 19.

[MasterIchiro]

Let's all imagine a world where Kemba's sidekick sleepwalks his way into 20 points...

We've come a long way from Gerald Henderson pounding the ball, devouring the shotclock and dishing the hot potato to 21 year old Kemba at the buzzer. Then fans annihilating Kemba on pretty much a nightly basis for his erratic play.

Folks may remember the Gerald Henderson that reminded us of 1985.

Cho, that flaming dipstick, failed to provide Kemba a #2 scorer. How many All-star point guards don't have a go-to scoring option to relieve some of the heavy lifting?

Maybe Monk is that #2 scorer. Maybe we get to see him with Kemba and the games will be electric and fun. Maybe Monks raw talent give us all a glimmer of hope for this stale roster. It's easy to see why fans hype him.

[MasterIchiro]

Why does it feel like I'm the one that's always raining on everyone's parade lately? Yes monks second-half tonight was very impressive, especially the shooting and obviously that dunk. But did everyone miss the first half? I'm not talking about the fact that he only had two points in that half I'm talking about all of the other parts of the game. It was not good. And despite a massive uptick in playing time in March monk still had the lowest net rating on the team for March. His Advanced stats are still really really bad. I get that everyone really wants to see him succeed and to rub it in Clifford's face for not playing him all year but let's just not try to get too excited about one of his random scoring outburst. He's got to show a lot more than getting hot for a quarter from Deep before I'm going to start getting excited about his prospects as a potential starter.

I think he's had recent games lately where he played an overall better game than he did tonight.

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Hes 19.....Kemba wasn't even a good college player when he was 19.

He was frustrating to watch. I remember holding my breath a great deal. But the energy and effort was there. And we just knew he was special, long before the rest of the basketball world discovered it. Monk has 2 years to get to the point where Kemba was when Kemba took the underdog Huskies and carried them to a title. The dude is capable of putting up 40 points in the NBA.

[MasterIchiro]

And make no mistake... Clifford reigned in Monk because the team is capped out and supposed to win now. Furthermore, Lamb broke out but we know that's no excuse because Clifford dumped him like a bitch with herpes when MKG and Batum returned. The main reason Monk and Lamb aren't being developed is the price of those blocking them and the inability to move their contracts.

[MasterIchiro]

At full strength, Cho's roster is mediocre at best and his signings have squandered millions for the owner. And Cho has zero basketball background. All he has is numbers and net ratings. All those small samples told us was that Kemba was not going to make it. They said he'd amount to a 6th man, an undersized chucker. Meanwhile his supporting cast has been stale and mediocre since he stepped on the court. Cho squandered Kemba's 20's unable to give us a #2. Maybe we're fatigued. Maybe we're desperate. But I think we're right.