The Tank Wars Grand Finale: Lakeland Magic Vs. Dallas Mavericks (7pm)

[yoyojw17]

I hear you but what were we supposed to do? We benched AG for the entire 4th quarter despite him starting off well. No Issac, No Evan, Still no Ross. Then we rested Vuc. Even Biz got benched. Somebody has to win the game. Unfortunately it was us. If we continue to run the line ups we been running theres no reason we cant lose out. Dallas still gotta drive that tank through the Suns. We still in this. If you told me before we entered this string of bad teams that we would be a half game outta 4 at the end Id take that. Coulda been way worse.

what we were supposed to do? match the effort
Instead of resting Vuc we should ahve rested DJ or Mack or both or just put Hezonja at pg and watch us take L

plenty of ideas or"experiments" comes to mind

Im with you on Mack. Honestly we coulda done more but then Dallas woulda done more. They were determined to lose that game. Just tip your cap to their tank and keep it moving.

'Find by half time the game was switched to 3 on 3 in the half court with all these phantom injuries. haha

[pepe1991]

Well get to that bridge when we cross it. RDV and Martins are also to blame for us still being stuck in this whole. They ruined Rob's plan of a proper rebuild and building thru the draft. Prevented us from bottoming out properly to get top picks, by signing vets(who weren't that good) and had coaches who loved vets to no end. The end results is will still are nowhere close to playoffs and had one top 3 pick in that last 6 years.
This season is just about wrapped up and identical as the past few seasons. Rattling off wins late, that push us away from that important top 3 pick.

Pls don't defend Rob.
Do you really belive somebody pushed him into trading Šarić, Harris, Oladipo and all other young players for garbage he got in return? Even Dwight trade was piss poor, but that trade ended up sucking for literally everybody involved so it doesn't look that bad now. essentially he gave up superstar for 7 role players and bench warmers.

And picks he got he pissed away in terrible attemp to move up in 2014 draft where he traded Hair for Šarić and gave 76ers their pick back.

I believe he was pushed into the Skiles hire and Harris trade. And he didnt "give up" a superstar. Dwight was leaving and screwed the Magic by his agent telling every single team he wouldnt re-sign with them.

Myth one: Dwight screwed Magic.
literally everybody knew he wants out, but he actually helped Magic by opting in, giving Magic time to deal with him in one way or another. If he didn't do that, he was going to become UFA in 2012, leaving Magic with literlly nothing.

How Hennigan used that ?
He traded Howard, legit star player, at times top 10 player in nba for:
76ers third string C ( Vuc )
Afflalo who was already 27 and didn't fit into long term plans
Already passed his prime Harrington
Christian Eyenga ( who? )
Josh McRoberts
Romero Osby (via 2013 2nd round)
Moe Harkless

That sounds like a good trade to you ? They had great offers on the table around 2011 ( but that's not on Hennigan ) that they simply turned down.

Let's not forget what was turned down in 2011

Chad Ford is saying that the Nets not only offered Brook Lopez, but also their first round pick in 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018, AND the Rockets‘ first rounder in 2012. That’s just an insane package of assets, especially considering the strength of this year’s draft class.

Myth 2: Tobias Harris- Scott Skiles
Tobias Harris was traded to Orlando at February 21st 2013, Scott Skiles was fired by Bucks at January 8th 2013,as you can see whole myth that lives in heads of Magic fans how Skiles hated him and traded him away is false, since he was moved AFTER Skiles was fired, by non other than Hammond.

Did he have any influence on hiring himself to Magic? Maybe, but Skiles was actually smart enough to know that you can't build winning team with Hair running PG and ruining team offense and defense 3 years before some fans figured it out, problem,however, was that Hennigan didn't want to back it up to "his boy" so Skiles decided to leave, leaving money on the table just to end it.
What Hennigan did afer Skiles left? Turned it all around ? Oh well, traded Oladipo and pick for Ibaka and gave Biyombo 4 years contract. Brilliant.

[Optimus_Steel]

How weird that Purvis was having very good games and once he is signed he goes to putrid. Its a microcosm of the Magic signings over the years lol.

[Nemesis21]

Pls don't defend Rob.
Do you really belive somebody pushed him into trading Šarić, Harris, Oladipo and all other young players for garbage he got in return? Even Dwight trade was piss poor, but that trade ended up sucking for literally everybody involved so it doesn't look that bad now. essentially he gave up superstar for 7 role players and bench warmers.

And picks he got he pissed away in terrible attemp to move up in 2014 draft where he traded Hair for Šarić and gave 76ers their pick back.

I believe he was pushed into the Skiles hire and Harris trade. And he didnt "give up" a superstar. Dwight was leaving and screwed the Magic by his agent telling every single team he wouldnt re-sign with them.

Myth one: Dwight screwed Magic.
literally everybody knew he wants out, but he actually helped Magic by opting in, giving Magic time to deal with him in one way or another. If he didn't do that, he was going to become UFA in 2012, leaving Magic with literlly nothing.

How Hennigan used that ?
He traded Howard, legit star player, at times top 10 player in nba for:
76ers third string C ( Vuc )
Afflalo who was already 27 and didn't fit into long term plans
Already passed his prime Harrington
Christian Eyenga ( who? )
Josh McRoberts
Romero Osby (via 2013 2nd round)
Moe Harkless

That sounds like a good trade to you ? They had great offers on the table around 2011 ( but that's not on Hennigan ) that they simply turned down.

Let's not forget what was turned down in 2011

Chad Ford is saying that the Nets not only offered Brook Lopez, but also their first round pick in 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018, AND the Rockets‘ first rounder in 2012. That’s just an insane package of assets, especially considering the strength of this year’s draft class.

Myth 2: Tobias Harris- Scott Skiles
Tobias Harris was traded to Orlando at February 21st 2013, Scott Skiles was fired by Bucks at January 8th 2013,as you can see whole myth that lives in heads of Magic fans how Skiles hated him and traded him away is false, since he was moved AFTER Skiles was fired, by non other than Hammond.

Did he have any influence on hiring himself to Magic? Maybe, but Skiles was actually smart enough to know that you can't build winning team with Hair running PG and ruining team offense and defense 3 years before some fans figured it out, problem,however, was that Hennigan didn't want to back it up to "his boy" so Skiles decided to leave, leaving money on the table just to end it.
What Hennigan did afer Skiles left? Turned it all around ? Oh well, traded Oladipo and pick for Ibaka and gave Biyombo 4 years contract. Brilliant.

Alex Martins, is that you?




PS, I highly doubt the Nets offered 5 1st round picks for Dwight. Chad Ford is about as credible as Stephen A and Mr. Sauces himself Chris Broussard.

We got Penny and 3 1st round picks for Webber. Again highly doubt Nets offered 5 1st round picks.

[tiderulz]

Pls don't defend Rob.
Do you really belive somebody pushed him into trading Šarić, Harris, Oladipo and all other young players for garbage he got in return? Even Dwight trade was piss poor, but that trade ended up sucking for literally everybody involved so it doesn't look that bad now. essentially he gave up superstar for 7 role players and bench warmers.

And picks he got he pissed away in terrible attemp to move up in 2014 draft where he traded Hair for Šarić and gave 76ers their pick back.

I believe he was pushed into the Skiles hire and Harris trade. And he didnt "give up" a superstar. Dwight was leaving and screwed the Magic by his agent telling every single team he wouldnt re-sign with them.

Myth one: Dwight screwed Magic.
literally everybody knew he wants out, but he actually helped Magic by opting in, giving Magic time to deal with him in one way or another. If he didn't do that, he was going to become UFA in 2012, leaving Magic with literlly nothing.

How Hennigan used that ?
He traded Howard, legit star player, at times top 10 player in nba for:
76ers third string C ( Vuc )
Afflalo who was already 27 and didn't fit into long term plans
Already passed his prime Harrington
Christian Eyenga ( who? )
Josh McRoberts
Romero Osby (via 2013 2nd round)
Moe Harkless

That sounds like a good trade to you ? They had great offers on the table around 2011 ( but that's not on Hennigan ) that they simply turned down.

Let's not forget what was turned down in 2011

Chad Ford is saying that the Nets not only offered Brook Lopez, but also their first round pick in 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018, AND the Rockets‘ first rounder in 2012. That’s just an insane package of assets, especially considering the strength of this year’s draft class.

Myth 2: Tobias Harris- Scott Skiles
Tobias Harris was traded to Orlando at February 21st 2013, Scott Skiles was fired by Bucks at January 8th 2013,as you can see whole myth that lives in heads of Magic fans how Skiles hated him and traded him away is false, since he was moved AFTER Skiles was fired, by non other than Hammond.

Did he have any influence on hiring himself to Magic? Maybe, but Skiles was actually smart enough to know that you can't build winning team with Hair running PG and ruining team offense and defense 3 years before some fans figured it out, problem,however, was that Hennigan didn't want to back it up to "his boy" so Skiles decided to leave, leaving money on the table just to end it.
What Hennigan did afer Skiles left? Turned it all around ? Oh well, traded Oladipo and pick for Ibaka and gave Biyombo 4 years contract. Brilliant.

Its not a myth. Dwight screwed the Magic by letting his agent tell every team that they had no advantage to trading for him and getting him to re-sign. Thus every team knew he was only a half year rental, that if they werent Brooklyn or LA he wasnt going to re-sign with them, and the offers dropped significantly. The only other offer was from Brooklyn, the team that illegally (by NBA rules) tampered with Dwight by meeting with him while he was still under contract with Orlando.

and Harris being traded was not a myth. He wasnt playing him in Milwaukee and they did not have a good relationship. Skiles didnt push that trade away from Milwaukee. He did push Orlando trading Harris for some of "his guys". Did he have influence on getting himself hired? he absolutely did. He was courting Martins and ownership directly, bypassing Hennigan.

[drsd]

Working my way though the game and am really impressed with Iwundu's positioning and rebounding.

[OrlandoNed]

I believe he was pushed into the Skiles hire and Harris trade. And he didnt "give up" a superstar. Dwight was leaving and screwed the Magic by his agent telling every single team he wouldnt re-sign with them.

Myth one: Dwight screwed Magic.
literally everybody knew he wants out, but he actually helped Magic by opting in, giving Magic time to deal with him in one way or another. If he didn't do that, he was going to become UFA in 2012, leaving Magic with literlly nothing.

How Hennigan used that ?
He traded Howard, legit star player, at times top 10 player in nba for:
76ers third string C ( Vuc )
Afflalo who was already 27 and didn't fit into long term plans
Already passed his prime Harrington
Christian Eyenga ( who? )
Josh McRoberts
Romero Osby (via 2013 2nd round)
Moe Harkless

That sounds like a good trade to you ? They had great offers on the table around 2011 ( but that's not on Hennigan ) that they simply turned down.

Let's not forget what was turned down in 2011

Chad Ford is saying that the Nets not only offered Brook Lopez, but also their first round pick in 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018, AND the Rockets‘ first rounder in 2012. That’s just an insane package of assets, especially considering the strength of this year’s draft class.

Myth 2: Tobias Harris- Scott Skiles
Tobias Harris was traded to Orlando at February 21st 2013, Scott Skiles was fired by Bucks at January 8th 2013,as you can see whole myth that lives in heads of Magic fans how Skiles hated him and traded him away is false, since he was moved AFTER Skiles was fired, by non other than Hammond.

Did he have any influence on hiring himself to Magic? Maybe, but Skiles was actually smart enough to know that you can't build winning team with Hair running PG and ruining team offense and defense 3 years before some fans figured it out, problem,however, was that Hennigan didn't want to back it up to "his boy" so Skiles decided to leave, leaving money on the table just to end it.
What Hennigan did afer Skiles left? Turned it all around ? Oh well, traded Oladipo and pick for Ibaka and gave Biyombo 4 years contract. Brilliant.

Its not a myth. Dwight screwed the Magic by letting his agent tell every team that they had no advantage to trading for him and getting him to re-sign. Thus every team knew he was only a half year rental, that if they werent Brooklyn or LA he wasnt going to re-sign with them, and the offers dropped significantly. The only other offer was from Brooklyn, the team that illegally (by NBA rules) tampered with Dwight by meeting with him while he was still under contract with Orlando.

and Harris being traded was not a myth. He wasnt playing him in Milwaukee and they did not have a good relationship. Skiles didnt push that trade away from Milwaukee. He did push Orlando trading Harris for some of "his guys". Did he have influence on getting himself hired? he absolutely did. He was courting Martins and ownership directly, bypassing Hennigan.

Dwight screwed us like one of his many baby mommas. Man, I remember the rumor about a potential trade with OKC that would of gotten us Harden and Ibaka. That wouldn't of been the worst for us.

Thanks for sabotaging your trade value, you goofy jackass.

[OrlandO]

How weird that Purvis was having very good games and once he is signed he goes to putrid. Its a microcosm of the Magic signings over the years lol.

Purvis had 1 good scoring game in garbage time... in the other games he sucked or didn't do much. He was a tank signing.

[Furinkazan]

I can't see how Wes Iwundu is in the league next year...even in these dumpster fire, schoolyard, tank outs, he can't score more than 4 or 5 points. I get that he's a good defender, but he's not THAT notably good to have us play 4 on 5 offense...bummer, but...

I like him and I still belive in him
also he plays a lot more than anybody expected and not sure he was ready for that.
His defense is fine he just need to develop a jumper and 3 point shot
just not sure he can develop that in just one summer break.Some players never were able to develop a J

[pepe1991]

I believe he was pushed into the Skiles hire and Harris trade. And he didnt "give up" a superstar. Dwight was leaving and screwed the Magic by his agent telling every single team he wouldnt re-sign with them.

Myth one: Dwight screwed Magic.
literally everybody knew he wants out, but he actually helped Magic by opting in, giving Magic time to deal with him in one way or another. If he didn't do that, he was going to become UFA in 2012, leaving Magic with literlly nothing.

How Hennigan used that ?
He traded Howard, legit star player, at times top 10 player in nba for:
76ers third string C ( Vuc )
Afflalo who was already 27 and didn't fit into long term plans
Already passed his prime Harrington
Christian Eyenga ( who? )
Josh McRoberts
Romero Osby (via 2013 2nd round)
Moe Harkless

That sounds like a good trade to you ? They had great offers on the table around 2011 ( but that's not on Hennigan ) that they simply turned down.

Let's not forget what was turned down in 2011

Chad Ford is saying that the Nets not only offered Brook Lopez, but also their first round pick in 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018, AND the Rockets‘ first rounder in 2012. That’s just an insane package of assets, especially considering the strength of this year’s draft class.

Myth 2: Tobias Harris- Scott Skiles
Tobias Harris was traded to Orlando at February 21st 2013, Scott Skiles was fired by Bucks at January 8th 2013,as you can see whole myth that lives in heads of Magic fans how Skiles hated him and traded him away is false, since he was moved AFTER Skiles was fired, by non other than Hammond.

Did he have any influence on hiring himself to Magic? Maybe, but Skiles was actually smart enough to know that you can't build winning team with Hair running PG and ruining team offense and defense 3 years before some fans figured it out, problem,however, was that Hennigan didn't want to back it up to "his boy" so Skiles decided to leave, leaving money on the table just to end it.
What Hennigan did afer Skiles left? Turned it all around ? Oh well, traded Oladipo and pick for Ibaka and gave Biyombo 4 years contract. Brilliant.

Its not a myth. Dwight screwed the Magic by letting his agent tell every team that they had no advantage to trading for him and getting him to re-sign. Thus every team knew he was only a half year rental, that if they werent Brooklyn or LA he wasnt going to re-sign with them, and the offers dropped significantly. The only other offer was from Brooklyn, the team that illegally (by NBA rules) tampered with Dwight by meeting with him while he was still under contract with Orlando.

and Harris being traded was not a myth. He wasnt playing him in Milwaukee and they did not have a good relationship. Skiles didnt push that trade away from Milwaukee. He did push Orlando trading Harris for some of "his guys". Did he have influence on getting himself hired? he absolutely did. He was courting Martins and ownership directly, bypassing Hennigan.

Magic screwed Magic by trying to hold onto Dwight when it was clear he wants to leave in first place. That lead to whole SVG fiasco in media. Everything after that was Dwight giving Magic option to get some value in return. If he didn't pick up player's option he would leave with Magic getting NOTHING in return.

Skiles didn't play him because they were chasing playoffs and he was what ? 19 years old?
Hammond did trade him for JJ Redick and thought that Ellise , Jenning and JJ will give him playoff success but that's story for another day.
Hennigan's track record of terrible trades goes beyond Harris trade so to think that Skiles was one who "pulled his sleeve" is off to me. Maybe Harris trade was just an attempt to reconcile their relationship since Skiles wanted Payton gone and Hennigan didn't. Sounds like logical explenation why Skiles left a team 2 months later.

[Furinkazan]

How weird that Purvis was having very good games and once he is signed he goes to putrid. Its a microcosm of the Magic signings over the years lol.

his shot went to dumpster after he signed contract :/

atm

32% fg and 24% on 3point

yuck

good for the tank
on paper at least
but seems like a bad signing anyway good its cheap

[OrlandO]

I can't see how Wes Iwundu is in the league next year...even in these dumpster fire, schoolyard, tank outs, he can't score more than 4 or 5 points. I get that he's a good defender, but he's not THAT notably good to have us play 4 on 5 offense...bummer, but...

He's guaranteed next season... it's likely they'll give him another year to show improvement in his shot.

[OrlandO]

How weird that Purvis was having very good games and once he is signed he goes to putrid. Its a microcosm of the Magic signings over the years lol.

his shot went to dumpster after he signed contract :/

atm

32% fg and 24% on 3point

yuck

good for the tank
on paper at least
but seems like a bad signing anyway good its cheap

One game of scoring well and doing nothing else in garbage time doesn't make him a good player. He was shooting 10% from three before that game. He was a tank signing for the rest of the season. The contract does not matter, he won't be here next season.

[tiderulz]

Myth one: Dwight screwed Magic.
literally everybody knew he wants out, but he actually helped Magic by opting in, giving Magic time to deal with him in one way or another. If he didn't do that, he was going to become UFA in 2012, leaving Magic with literlly nothing.

How Hennigan used that ?
He traded Howard, legit star player, at times top 10 player in nba for:
76ers third string C ( Vuc )
Afflalo who was already 27 and didn't fit into long term plans
Already passed his prime Harrington
Christian Eyenga ( who? )
Josh McRoberts
Romero Osby (via 2013 2nd round)
Moe Harkless

That sounds like a good trade to you ? They had great offers on the table around 2011 ( but that's not on Hennigan ) that they simply turned down.

Let's not forget what was turned down in 2011




Myth 2: Tobias Harris- Scott Skiles
Tobias Harris was traded to Orlando at February 21st 2013, Scott Skiles was fired by Bucks at January 8th 2013,as you can see whole myth that lives in heads of Magic fans how Skiles hated him and traded him away is false, since he was moved AFTER Skiles was fired, by non other than Hammond.

Did he have any influence on hiring himself to Magic? Maybe, but Skiles was actually smart enough to know that you can't build winning team with Hair running PG and ruining team offense and defense 3 years before some fans figured it out, problem,however, was that Hennigan didn't want to back it up to "his boy" so Skiles decided to leave, leaving money on the table just to end it.
What Hennigan did afer Skiles left? Turned it all around ? Oh well, traded Oladipo and pick for Ibaka and gave Biyombo 4 years contract. Brilliant.

Its not a myth. Dwight screwed the Magic by letting his agent tell every team that they had no advantage to trading for him and getting him to re-sign. Thus every team knew he was only a half year rental, that if they werent Brooklyn or LA he wasnt going to re-sign with them, and the offers dropped significantly. The only other offer was from Brooklyn, the team that illegally (by NBA rules) tampered with Dwight by meeting with him while he was still under contract with Orlando.

and Harris being traded was not a myth. He wasnt playing him in Milwaukee and they did not have a good relationship. Skiles didnt push that trade away from Milwaukee. He did push Orlando trading Harris for some of "his guys". Did he have influence on getting himself hired? he absolutely did. He was courting Martins and ownership directly, bypassing Hennigan.

Magic screwed Magic by trying to hold onto Dwight when it was clear he wants to leave in first place. That lead to whole SVG fiasco in media. Everything after that was Dwight giving Magic option to get some value in return. If he didn't pick up player's option he would leave with Magic getting NOTHING in return.

Skiles didn't play him because they were chasing playoffs and he was what ? 19 years old?
Hammond did trade him for JJ Redick and thought that Ellise , Jenning and JJ will give him playoff success but that's story for another day.
Hennigan's track record of terrible trades goes beyond Harris trade so to think that Skiles was one who "pulled his sleeve" is off to me. Maybe Harris trade was just an attempt to reconcile their relationship since Skiles wanted Payton gone and Hennigan didn't. Sounds like logical explenation why Skiles left a team 2 months later.

you obviously try and keep a superstar. But he didnt have to opt in his last year. His weak mind did it. If he hadnt opted in, Orlando would have traded him a year early(they already had some options in place). Dwight did do a small favor, when he opened his list up to 3 teams instead of just Brooklyn that he demanded for over a year. But he did Orlando wrong more than he did favors.

you arent hearing me defend Hennigan, he did a lot wrong. But hiring Skiles, trading Harris, those were moves forced on him

[tiderulz]

I can't see how Wes Iwundu is in the league next year...even in these dumpster fire, schoolyard, tank outs, he can't score more than 4 or 5 points. I get that he's a good defender, but he's not THAT notably good to have us play 4 on 5 offense...bummer, but...

there is a reason 2nd rounders rarely make it in the NBA.

[shadrock]

Once again we dont have the stomach for a proper tank. Man, fk this team. Im done.

The Magic bench 3 starters for the 4th. The 15-4 run in the 1st was with Mack/Iwundu/Artis/Gordon/Biyombo. Short of Coach Vogel calling plays for players to intentionally miss shots, I am not sure what more you expect.


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What i expect is Philly, Dallas, Phoenix type stuff. Each of these teams have been or will be in and out of the losing phase twice as quickly as us because they didnt mess about and try to preserve some misplaced sense of morality. Basically, we are soft and cant stomach the level of tanking these other teams have tolerated, and because of this we are constantly coming in 4th or 5th place. Whether you agree with it or not, the reality is that tanking is an ugly game, and if you are not willing to get a little dirty, you will come in 4th or 5th every year. That is the difference between getting Porzingis and getting Mario Hezonja.

[shadrock]

Once again we dont have the stomach for a proper tank. Man, fk this team. Im done.

The Magic bench 3 starters for the 4th. The 15-4 run in the 1st was with Mack/Iwundu/Artis/Gordon/Biyombo. Short of Coach Vogel calling plays for players to intentionally miss shots, I am not sure what more you expect.


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yeah, i cant pin this too much on our team. Dallas benched their entire team and brought up their G-League, and we still only won by 5 pts.

This is my point... Dallas were able to stomach more of the dirty tanking stuff, and because of this, they win the tank race. This is precicely my point. You cant expect to get a top 3 pick without getting some dirt on your hands.