The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

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Who wins? (May select 2 options.)

Simmons
361
38%
Ball
35
4%
Kuzma
39
4%
Tatum
103
11%
Markkanen
78
8%
Smith Jr
7
1%
Fox
5
1%
Mitchell
280
30%
Anunoby
18
2%
Other
14
1%
 
Total votes: 940

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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2761 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Apr 6, 2018 12:16 pm

nurseryc wrote:
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He does talk a bit of trash out there so may not be a favourite of theirs on a personal level. Also they might have just been having a laugh if Dennis Smith jr leads the vote.


This was voted on before the start of the season. I get the feeling a lot of rookies were either severely underrating him or were ridiculously jealous of Ben’s natural gifts


If I had to bet, the majority probably forgot he was a rookie. He was drafted the year prior and didnt play in summer league, most people probably forgot about him.
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2762 » by loveandbeer » Fri Apr 6, 2018 12:21 pm

Mitchell has continued his strong play for the Jazz, but what Simmons/76ers doing is amazing... I just can't see him not win it.

Any other year Mitchell would have a strong case against most guys.
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2763 » by nurseryc » Fri Apr 6, 2018 12:22 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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He does talk a bit of trash out there so may not be a favourite of theirs on a personal level. Also they might have just been having a laugh if Dennis Smith jr leads the vote.


This was voted on before the start of the season. I get the feeling a lot of rookies were either severely underrating him or were ridiculously jealous of Ben’s natural gifts


If I had to bet, the majority probably forgot he was a rookie. He was drafted the year prior and didnt play in summer league, most people probably forgot about him.


Incorrect. They were all aware his name was on the ballot. They all totally underestimated him or were jealous and history has shown us they pretty much all severely effed up
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2764 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Apr 6, 2018 12:25 pm

nurseryc wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
nurseryc wrote:
This was voted on before the start of the season. I get the feeling a lot of rookies were either severely underrating him or were ridiculously jealous of Ben’s natural gifts


If I had to bet, the majority probably forgot he was a rookie. He was drafted the year prior and didnt play in summer league, most people probably forgot about him.


Incorrect. Read the article. They were all aware and for whatever reason severely effed up


The article routinely mentions categories where he received zero votes. It also doesnt mention that all were aware of him, as you claim.
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2765 » by cl2117 » Fri Apr 6, 2018 2:20 pm

No need to create a persecution complex where one isn't needed. People weren't heavily sleeping on Simmons or not voting for him out of jealousy. He was either forgotten by people voting since he was a different draft class, got drowned out by the overhype of guys since it was in August and everyone else was at peak hype or got discounted by guys because he'd have to share spotlight with Embiid and Fultz. Everyone knew he was gonna be a beast that's why he went #1 overall (might not have known he'd be this good, but again no need for a persecution complex).

In other news, Jayson Tatum is now in line to get a crack at showing just how legit he is. I don't expect him to carry the bulk of the burden of Kyrie's absence, but he's going to bear his share. I think they're in real danger of not making it out of the first round with all the injuries they've racked up, hopefully Tatum has some rookie magic.

Watched Donovan's highlights from last night, he's such a stud, but Ben's pulled too far away from him now in my opinion. I think he'll still get his fair share of the votes, particularly if Utah has a HCA series in round 1 of the playoffs, but think he'll still fall short. If Philly were scraping their way into the playoffs I think there would be a case for DM given the team success, but they're poised to knock the Cavs down to the 4 seed with a win tonight.

Speaking of Cleveland, I've been disappointed with the disappearance of Ante Zizic. He had some solid outings in March with 10+ minutes, but he's back on the pine. I guess Love coming back means there just aren't any spare minutes, but I'm still holding out that this guy will be a sneaky good asset to come out of the Kyrie trade.
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2766 » by JellosJigglin » Fri Apr 6, 2018 3:30 pm

nurseryc wrote:
EmperorLocky wrote:


He does talk a bit of trash out there so may not be a favourite of theirs on a personal level. Also they might have just been having a laugh if Dennis Smith jr leads the vote.


This was voted on before the start of the season. I get the feeling a lot of rookies were either severely underrating him or were ridiculously jealous of Ben’s natural gifts


Or they just didn't consider him a rookie, which a lot of people would agree with.
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Post#2767 » by JellosJigglin » Fri Apr 6, 2018 3:31 pm

Kyle Kuzma post all-star break

18.2/7.6/2.1/2.6threes/46%/39%/72%/57.3TS%
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2768 » by Black Mage » Fri Apr 6, 2018 4:53 pm

michaelm wrote:
nurseryc wrote:
Black Mage wrote:
He ranks 18th out of ALL nba players in shot attempts per game. He shoots 3 fewer shots a game than Harden (2nd) and 4 fewer shots than Westbrook (1st).

Yeah, I'd call him a high volume shooter.


This

Maybe he will be a high volume shooter in the Kobe vein, and win 5 titles with the Jazz.


He just might. Never said he wouldn't. I just am tired of people pretending he isn't a high volume shot taker. There is nothing wrong with that as long as you are efficient at it. DM isn't always consistent in his efficiency but certainly shown enough that he could be with experience.
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Post#2769 » by LakersSoul » Fri Apr 6, 2018 6:19 pm

JellosJigglin wrote:Kyle Kuzma post all-star break

18.2/7.6/2.1/2.6threes/46%/39%/72%/57.3TS%


4th 30 point game of the year.
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Show full set of attacking shots and great footwork.
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2770 » by Madhouse » Fri Apr 6, 2018 7:32 pm

Fultz has struggled on offense so far but in the minutes he played he has the best defensive rating in the league. He definitely plays hard.
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2771 » by bebopdeluxe » Fri Apr 6, 2018 7:35 pm

michaelm wrote:

The good thing is that I strongly suspect Ben gives absolutely no **** about what other rookies might think.


You know that.
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2772 » by WalterBenjamin » Fri Apr 6, 2018 7:52 pm

Madhouse wrote:Fultz has struggled on offense so far but in the minutes he played he has the best defensive rating in the league. He definitely plays hard.

I remember somebody critisized Fultzs way of deffending with hands back. But he is so good at bumping with players and using his hands just as a deterent from driving around him. As a on ball defender will probably be the best guard sized player in the league.
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2773 » by Heej » Fri Apr 6, 2018 10:09 pm

The length, strength, and athleticism are all there for Fultz. The kid will put it all together and be a certified powerhouse. Philly's done good getting him, no doubt about it. Projects to bring that shot creation juice that Philly's currently lacking.
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Post#2774 » by cksdayoff » Fri Apr 6, 2018 11:11 pm

UDub had one of the worst defenses in college basketball because of the scheme they ran and because they had no interior presence. teams ran lay up drills on them. also ranked as one of the worst defensive rebounding teams in the country.
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Post#2775 » by nurseryc » Fri Apr 6, 2018 11:29 pm

Simmons getting close to a triple double with 5 mins left in the first quarter :o
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Post#2776 » by nurseryc » Fri Apr 6, 2018 11:31 pm

Omfg Simmons is incredible, absolutely destroying the Cavs
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2777 » by sfernald » Fri Apr 6, 2018 11:48 pm

So Sixers up by 28 so far in first half against the Cavs... what is anti-Simmons hivemind answer to diminish this? Need answer quick.
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2778 » by sfernald » Fri Apr 6, 2018 11:55 pm

I will say this. There’s not a rookie this year I would trade Fultz for. Not Tatum. Not Donavan Mitchell. He has shown enough that he will be up there with the best soon.
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2779 » by michaelm » Fri Apr 6, 2018 11:58 pm

Black Mage wrote:
michaelm wrote:
nurseryc wrote:
This

Maybe he will be a high volume shooter in the Kobe vein, and win 5 titles with the Jazz.


He just might. Never said he wouldn't. I just am tired of people pretending he isn't a high volume shot taker. There is nothing wrong with that as long as you are efficient at it. DM isn't always consistent in his efficiency but certainly shown enough that he could be with experience.

I am a Simmons fan as you have possibly gathered, my problem is with Nursery c relentlessly hyping Simmons as he has other Australian players in the past, and in regard to ROTY this year tearing down Mitchell. i intended my reply to be to him, and not really to your post. Once Utah start losing games your point will indeed be valid, and his efficiency may well be a problem in the play - offs, although he also has exhibited s tendency to be better in the clutch.
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Re: The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III 

Post#2780 » by nurseryc » Sat Apr 7, 2018 12:10 am

michaelm wrote:
Black Mage wrote:
michaelm wrote:Maybe he will be a high volume shooter in the Kobe vein, and win 5 titles with the Jazz.


He just might. Never said he wouldn't. I just am tired of people pretending he isn't a high volume shot taker. There is nothing wrong with that as long as you are efficient at it. DM isn't always consistent in his efficiency but certainly shown enough that he could be with experience.

I am a Simmons fan as you have possibly gathered, my problem is with Nursery c relentlessly hyping Simmons as he has other Australian players in the past, and in regard to ROTY this year tearing down Mitchell. i intended my reply to be to him, and not really to your post. Once Utah start losing games your point will indeed be valid, and his efficiency may well be a problem in the play - offs, although he also has exhibited s tendency to be better in the clutch.


Michael I’m not hyping Simmons, I’m celebrating his success. Get a grip and worry about yourself.

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