4/9 - POSTGAME | Oklahoma City Thunder (115) - (93) Miami Heat

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Paul George | 27 PTS (7-19 FG, 5-13 3P)
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12%
Russell Westbrook | 23 PTS (8-21 FG, 2-5 3P), 18 REB, 13 AST
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36%
Jerami Grant | 17 PTS (4-6 FG), 2 BLK
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Thunder Bench | 40 PTS (11-18 FG)
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Re: 4/9 - POSTGAME | Oklahoma City Thunder (115) - (93) Miami Heat 

Post#21 » by Dadouv47 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:22 am

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It's not meaningless, it would be an incredible historical accomplishment.

He did it last year, its a random cutoff of numbers.


He did do it last year, which also was incredible. 2 years in a row would be even more so.

It is a random cut off.....that only 1 other player has matched in the history of the league. That's not meaningless. Hope he gets it, truly an amazing talent.


I care more about his career triple doubles. He had a very bad season (for him) so averaging a triple double would fit the narrative of being a ''stats padder'' (even more by having more than 30 rebounds in 2 games to accomplish it)
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Post#22 » by Dadouv47 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:23 am

RalphSampsonJr wrote:Grant playing for a contract! Dudes really started playing well these last 10.
Adams is looking tired. Dude hasnt been himself in the last few. Maybe trying to grab every offensive board for 5 months has finally got to him.
If portland and Sac beat nuggets and spurs we could be in a good position. Wanna play utah not portland 1st round


Adams is clearly a bit hurt. I wish we had a good regular season so he could have rested before playoffs begins :(
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Post#23 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:29 am

NaturalThunder wrote:
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It's not meaningless, it would be an incredible historical accomplishment.

He did it last year, its a random cutoff of numbers.

And even if he did it's not going to make this season magically better. It was still his worst season since 2013 (I don't count his injured season in 2014) and it won't be a top three Westbrook season.


It's a personal accomplishment, and a historical one. He started terrible this year, and has been phenomenal since. Don't buy into the fake narrative pushed by some that he hasn't been amazing this season. What is he doing worse this season, in your opinion? Also do you still hate this team?
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Post#24 » by dakomish23 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:29 am

Dadouv47 wrote:
RalphSampsonJr wrote:Grant playing for a contract! Dudes really started playing well these last 10.
Adams is looking tired. Dude hasnt been himself in the last few. Maybe trying to grab every offensive board for 5 months has finally got to him.
If portland and Sac beat nuggets and spurs we could be in a good position. Wanna play utah not portland 1st round


Adams is clearly a bit hurt. I wish we had a good regular season so he could have rested before playoffs begins :(


Or made a deal for a competent big like RoLo so he could sit some games. Dude has been a horse & its only going to get worse from here.
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Post#25 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:29 am

Dadouv47 wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:He did it last year, its a random cutoff of numbers.


He did do it last year, which also was incredible. 2 years in a row would be even more so.

It is a random cut off.....that only 1 other player has matched in the history of the league. That's not meaningless. Hope he gets it, truly an amazing talent.


I care more about his career triple doubles. He had a very bad season (for him) so averaging a triple double would fit the narrative of being a ''stats padder'' (even more by having more than 30 rebounds in 2 games to accomplish it)


How did he have a very bad season?
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Post#26 » by NaturalThunder » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:38 am

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NaturalThunder wrote:
bondom34 wrote:He did it last year, its a random cutoff of numbers.

And even if he did it's not going to make this season magically better. It was still his worst season since 2013 (I don't count his injured season in 2014) and it won't be a top three Westbrook season.


It's a personal accomplishment, and a historical one. He started terrible this year, and has been phenomenal since. Don't buy into the fake narrative pushed by some that he hasn't been amazing this season. What is he doing worse this season, in your opinion? Also do you still hate this team?

Relative to the standard Westbrook set for himself with his previous three seasons, yes, this was a bad season. His defense was lazy, stupid, and non-existent for a lot of the season. His efficiency fell off to a very poor level. I love Russ and he will forever be my favorite NBA player for what he means to this franchise. However, he still had a disappointing season.

And the whole "I hate this team" thing is just a way I blow off steam every time they frustrate me this year; which has been a lot. Best case scenario we win two more games than we did last year. Adams had a down year last year, we didn't have KD, PG, or Melo, and we might win two more games than we did last year. We lost way too many games to bad teams, pulled off way too many close wins against bad teams after looking like crap for three quarters, and choked away games against good teams in the second half of the season.

All things considered, this has been the most disappointing Thunder season maybe ever. I hated this season even more than the first season because that year we had zero expectations.
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Post#27 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:51 am

NaturalThunder wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
NaturalThunder wrote:And even if he did it's not going to make this season magically better. It was still his worst season since 2013 (I don't count his injured season in 2014) and it won't be a top three Westbrook season.


It's a personal accomplishment, and a historical one. He started terrible this year, and has been phenomenal since. Don't buy into the fake narrative pushed by some that he hasn't been amazing this season. What is he doing worse this season, in your opinion? Also do you still hate this team?

Relative to the standard Westbrook set for himself with his previous three seasons, yes, this was a bad season. His defense was lazy, stupid, and non-existent for a lot of the season. His efficiency fell off to a very poor level. I love Russ and he will forever be my favorite NBA player for what he means to this franchise. However, he still had a disappointing season.

And the whole "I hate this team" thing is just a way I blow off steam every time they frustrate me this year; which has been a lot. Best case scenario we win two more games than we did last year. Adams had a down year last year, we didn't have KD, PG, or Melo, and we might win two more games than we did last year. We lost way too many games to bad teams, pulled off way too many close wins against bad teams after looking like crap for three quarters, and choked away games against good teams in the second half of the season.

All things considered, this has been the most disappointing Thunder season maybe ever. I hated this season even more than the first season because that year we had zero expectations.


His defense has always been lazy/stupid at times.
His efficiency is not down compared to his career percentages. Free throw percentage, is, but everything else indicates an above average year from him in terms of efficiency and percentages. He's been great, 25/10/10 on 45% from the field, 3rd highest fg % of his career. If you prefer efg%, it's his 4th best ever, .02 away from his second best. The statement that his efficiency had fallen off is a false narrative.
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Post#28 » by Pillendreher » Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:56 am

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Post#29 » by spearsy23 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:37 am

hardenASG13 wrote:
NaturalThunder wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
It's a personal accomplishment, and a historical one. He started terrible this year, and has been phenomenal since. Don't buy into the fake narrative pushed by some that he hasn't been amazing this season. What is he doing worse this season, in your opinion? Also do you still hate this team?

Relative to the standard Westbrook set for himself with his previous three seasons, yes, this was a bad season. His defense was lazy, stupid, and non-existent for a lot of the season. His efficiency fell off to a very poor level. I love Russ and he will forever be my favorite NBA player for what he means to this franchise. However, he still had a disappointing season.

And the whole "I hate this team" thing is just a way I blow off steam every time they frustrate me this year; which has been a lot. Best case scenario we win two more games than we did last year. Adams had a down year last year, we didn't have KD, PG, or Melo, and we might win two more games than we did last year. We lost way too many games to bad teams, pulled off way too many close wins against bad teams after looking like crap for three quarters, and choked away games against good teams in the second half of the season.

All things considered, this has been the most disappointing Thunder season maybe ever. I hated this season even more than the first season because that year we had zero expectations.


His defense has always been lazy/stupid at times.
His efficiency is not down compared to his career percentages. Free throw percentage, is, but everything else indicates an above average year from him in terms of efficiency and percentages. He's been great, 25/10/10 on 45% from the field, 3rd highest fg % of his career. If you prefer efg%, it's his 4th best ever, .02 away from his second best. The statement that his efficiency had fallen off is a false narrative.

You must hate reality. His ts is the third lowest of his career.
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Post#30 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:33 am

spearsy23 wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
NaturalThunder wrote:Relative to the standard Westbrook set for himself with his previous three seasons, yes, this was a bad season. His defense was lazy, stupid, and non-existent for a lot of the season. His efficiency fell off to a very poor level. I love Russ and he will forever be my favorite NBA player for what he means to this franchise. However, he still had a disappointing season.

And the whole "I hate this team" thing is just a way I blow off steam every time they frustrate me this year; which has been a lot. Best case scenario we win two more games than we did last year. Adams had a down year last year, we didn't have KD, PG, or Melo, and we might win two more games than we did last year. We lost way too many games to bad teams, pulled off way too many close wins against bad teams after looking like crap for three quarters, and choked away games against good teams in the second half of the season.

All things considered, this has been the most disappointing Thunder season maybe ever. I hated this season even more than the first season because that year we had zero expectations.


His defense has always been lazy/stupid at times.
His efficiency is not down compared to his career percentages. Free throw percentage, is, but everything else indicates an above average year from him in terms of efficiency and percentages. He's been great, 25/10/10 on 45% from the field, 3rd highest fg % of his career. If you prefer efg%, it's his 4th best ever, .02 away from his second best. The statement that his efficiency had fallen off is a false narrative.

You must hate reality. His ts is the third lowest of his career.


Oh wow, yea what a terrible year. His ft %/attempts are down, and the attempts being down are completely understandable given his new roster. that's why. Such a bad season. Speaking of hating reality, you all think they lose in 5 games in the first round still, or willing to eat crow before the playoffs start?

Edit: this is another pathetic example of you reaching to manufacture ways to criticise your own favorite team. He had a very bad year because "it was his third worst TS% of his career"! :lol: his fts dipped!!!
Do you hear yourself. Think houston fans would say harden had a very bad year if it was his third worst ts%, with the stats he has? How bout Cavs fans, they think LeBron was awful? He had the worst net rating in the league for like a month. But you keep hearing it's maybe his best season in years......you guys continue to overanalyze stats, and not properly interpret them, in an effort to denounce the team and players for some reason. They have a way better chance in the Playoffs (only thing that matters), yet you all want to mope about their regular season record, that they didn't seem to care much about with how they played. Patterson, abrines, and grant all appear to be peaking. Playoffs are going to show you.
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Post#31 » by Old Man Game » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:19 pm

I can't over the genuine sense of relief I felt when it became clear we were winning that game in the wanning moments of the 4th. This team has taken us on an emotional roller coaster this year and it really felt like missing the playoffs could actually happen.
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Post#32 » by slick_watts » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:34 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:He's been great, 25/10/10 on 45% from the field, 3rd highest fg % of his career. If you prefer efg%, it's his 4th best ever, .02 away from his second best. The statement that his efficiency had fallen off is a false narrative.


uh, it's not. fg% and efg% ignore free throws. westbrook's getting to the line a lot less and shooting the worst he has in his career when he does get there. his efficiency has fallen off this season. saying otherwise would be like saying the earth is flat.

on another note, the corey brewer starters are now a net negative for the season. they'll most likely climb above neutral during the memphis game, but what a bust brewer has been. they should start huestis.
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Post#33 » by bondom34 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:21 pm

I think there needs to be a separate bought between "Westbrook hasn't been good" and "relative to his standard Westbrook hasn't been good".
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Post#34 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:52 pm

slick_watts wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:He's been great, 25/10/10 on 45% from the field, 3rd highest fg % of his career. If you prefer efg%, it's his 4th best ever, .02 away from his second best. The statement that his efficiency had fallen off is a false narrative.


uh, it's not. fg% and efg% ignore free throws. westbrook's getting to the line a lot less and shooting the worst he has in his career when he does get there. his efficiency has fallen off this season. saying otherwise would be like saying the earth is flat.

on another note, the corey brewer starters are now a net negative for the season. they'll most likely climb above neutral during the memphis game, but what a bust brewer has been. they should start huestis.


Brewer has predictably come to earth, but has proven to be a useful piece. His minutes should go down, with abrines, grant or Felton filling them.

Yes Westbrook is getting to the line less, because he doesn't have to attack the basket as much as okcs only source of offense, and he is getting older. They also have Paul George. He is shooting his fts worse. That's not some damning case against him having this terribly inefficient season. His ft% and attempts are down, thus the lower ts%. You can't only acknowledge that and ignore his fg % is his third best ever, 2pt % Is second best ever, 3 point % is 1.2% below his career average, efg% is 4th best of his career, .02 off his 2nd best, and all while averaging 25/10/10!!! That's not a bad year, or an inefficient one relative to his career at all, except for his foul shots. Harp on that one aspect if you want, it's pathetic.
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Post#35 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:56 pm

bondom34 wrote:I think there needs to be a separate bought between "Westbrook hasn't been good" and "relative to his standard Westbrook hasn't been good".


How has he not been good relative to standard Westbrook? Can you explain, I'm genuinely curious....what isn't he doing well at, aside from free throws. If you want to say he hasn't been himself at the ft line, fine I agree. But that is reaching for the sake of nitpicking your teams best player, who is having a phenomenal year, even by his standards.
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Post#36 » by slick_watts » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:58 pm

hardenASG13 wrote: That's not a bad year, or an inefficient one relative to his career at all, except for his foul shots. Harp on that one aspect if you want, it's pathetic.


uh. it's the truth. yes, he's had his least efficient season since what? 2012? something like that. probably his worst season overall since 2014. rationalizing it doesn't change what it is.
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Post#37 » by slick_watts » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:59 pm

bondom34 wrote:I think there needs to be a separate bought between "Westbrook hasn't been good" and "relative to his standard Westbrook hasn't been good".


the latter thing, obviously. though, early in the year i think the former also qualified.
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Post#38 » by slick_watts » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:01 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:Yes Westbrook is getting to the line less, because he doesn't have to attack the basket as much


westbrook leads the league in drives per game by a healthy margin, and is only slightly behind last year's number when you adjust for minutes and pace. stop pawning off your opinions as facts.
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Post#39 » by bondom34 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:02 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:I think there needs to be a separate bought between "Westbrook hasn't been good" and "relative to his standard Westbrook hasn't been good".


How has he not been good relative to standard Westbrook? Can you explain, I'm genuinely curious....what isn't he doing well at, aside from free throws. If you want to say he hasn't been himself at the ft line, fine I agree. But that is reaching for the sake of nitpicking your teams best player, who is having a phenomenal year, even by his standards.

If you're looking for someone who's likely to stick up for Russ in most scenarios its me. But he's currently sub 30percent from 3, 2nd highest turnovers per game career, worst scoring efficiency since his sophomore season, worst OBPM since 2012 not counting his injured year, worst PER since the same, and all coming off an MVP year when he was fantastic in every regard. I'm missing things too but that's a start
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Post#40 » by hardenASG13 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:12 pm

slick_watts wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote: That's not a bad year, or an inefficient one relative to his career at all, except for his foul shots. Harp on that one aspect if you want, it's pathetic.


uh. it's the truth. yes, he's had his least efficient season since what? 2012? something like that. probably his worst season overall since 2014. rationalizing it doesn't change what it is.


Where has he been inefficient aside from the line?

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