WCQF: P1 | (4) OKC Thunder vs Utah Jazz (5) | Utah wins 4-2

WestbrookGOATed · Post #121 » by **WestbrookGOATed** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:30 am

jpengland wrote:
Best2EverDoIt wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Adams and Gobert are about even?

Really?
Yeah? Gobert has the better defense and Adams has the better offense.

Oh dear.

I guess Andre Roberson and Steph Curry are 'about even', too?

Roberson has better defense. Curry has better offense.

You know what a dumb comparison that is come on man. Look at their stats for this season and tell me why Gobert is so much better. They average the same amount of points on the same fg%. Gobert averaged 1.7 more rebounds and 1 more block per game than Adams. Pretty even to me.

WestbrookGOATed · Post #122 » by **WestbrookGOATed** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:33 am

anish23 wrote:I think Mitchell is going to show something new this series, i think he is going to dominate.

I also hope Westbrook plays selfish and bricks his way to losses... and I hope PG's form in the last game of the season doesn't carry over, cuz if it does, then its danger.

I'm not worried about Melo, I'd love it if he remained in the court for big minutes.

I think Mitchell will be shut down by PG and play like the rookie he is. Sad that you have to wish for all of for your team to win. I have nothing against the Jazz and they'll give us an exciting series but thats it. OKC-HOU 2nd round. Sorry.

bebopdeluxe · Post #123 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:36 am

jpengland wrote:
Best2EverDoIt wrote:
anish23 wrote:
No, they did not want to lose the game.

Two, who are the three stars, I hope you mean Adams. In that case Jazz have 3 stars also.

But in all honesty, its 2 stars.
Russell and PG are better than anyone on the Jazz roster. Adams and Gobert are about even. And even if Ingles has been good this season, most people would still take Melo over him. Including myself.

Adams and Gobert are about even?

Really?

Be ready for more takes like that in this thread.

jpengland · Post #124 » by **jpengland** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:47 am

Best2EverDoIt wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Best2EverDoIt wrote:Yeah? Gobert has the better defense and Adams has the better offense.

Oh dear.

I guess Andre Roberson and Steph Curry are 'about even', too?

Roberson has better defense. Curry has better offense.
You know what a dumb comparison that is come on man. Look at their stats for this season and tell me why Gobert is so much better. They average the same amount of points on the same fg%. Gobert averaged 1.7 more rebounds and 1 more block per game than Adams. Pretty even to me.

I don't currently have time to pull out the exact statistics, but the impact Gobert has had on the Jazz defense since returning from injury has been unprecedented. They were putting up other worldly defensive statistics.

The impact (statistical and eye test) that he has in terms of not only altering shots near the rim but actually stopping teams from even thinking about taking them is also huge. Teams shoot significantly more long twos with Gobert on the floor.

Adams is a fine player, I like him. But his impact defensively (whilst very good) is nowhere near the level of Gobert. Offensively I would consider them roughly even. Both great screen setters and good rollers/lob guys.

Gobert is head and shoulders the best defensive player in the league and if he keeps his career going the way he is, will be a top 5 - 10 defensive player of all time.

WestbrookGOATed · Post #125 » by **WestbrookGOATed** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:53 am

jpengland wrote:
Best2EverDoIt wrote:
jpengland wrote:
Oh dear.

I guess Andre Roberson and Steph Curry are 'about even', too?

Roberson has better defense. Curry has better offense.
You know what a dumb comparison that is come on man. Look at their stats for this season and tell me why Gobert is so much better. They average the same amount of points on the same fg%. Gobert averaged 1.7 more rebounds and 1 more block per game than Adams. Pretty even to me.

I don't currently have time to pull out the exact statistics, but the impact Gobert has had on the Jazz defense since returning from injury has been unprecedented. They were putting up other worldly defensive statistics.

The impact (statistical and eye test) that he has in terms of not only altering shots near the rim but actually stopping teams from even thinking about taking them is also huge. Teams shoot significantly more long twos with Gobert on the floor.

Adams is a fine player, I like him. But his impact defensively (whilst very good) is nowhere near the level of Gobert. Offensively I would consider them roughly even. Both great screen setters and good rollers/lob guys.

Gobert is head and shoulders the best defensive player in the league and if he keeps his career going the way he is, will be a top 5 - 10 defensive player of all time.

Forgive my ignorance. I honestly haven't watched Gobert this season except for when Utah played OKC. I knew he was the front runner for DPOY but that was about it. I just think Adams is super underrated. He had an off year last season but he's been worth every penny this year.

Ugly0598 · Post #126 » by **Ugly0598** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:05 pm

Rudy's offense isn't any worse than Adams, but I'm a Jazz fan that doesn't catch enough Thunder games. I've seen Rudy expand his offense a little bit, and even on occasion he's hit jump shots.

AussieRules · Post #127 » by **AussieRules** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:18 pm

OKC has got homecourt advantage, I pick them in 6. If it goes 7 then OKC is definitely going to the next round

Spens1 · Post #128 » by **Spens1** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:20 pm

This is a close one. I don't think OKC has been impressive at all whilst Utah has been strong and is balanced. At the end of the day, one team is led by Westbrook and the other by a rookie.

In saying that, Synder is a better coach and the Jazz are really balanced so i'd say they are going to win in 7.

John Murdoch · Post #129 » by **John Murdoch** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:37 pm

Snyder will let Russ get his and try to shut down everyone else . Could see thabo getting some pt on PG

bakesale · Post #130 » by **bakesale** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:37 pm

I'm a fan of the Jazz but I honestly think OKC will win in 5 or 6 at most.

Utah just don't match up well against OKC. They have the higher talent level, I think they will be able to step up in their defensive effort and Utah just don't have enough scoring to keep up. I mean if the games are tightly contested the experience of the likes of Westbrook and Paul George I expect will be able to find a bucket more easily than rookie Mitchell. With time to scout against Utah it's easier to stop their offence and that will be Utah's undoing.

CallMeKahn · Post #131 » by **CallMeKahn** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:40 pm

OKC won the series in the regular season, but a few of those games were without Rudy or Mitchell. I like Utah's chances. Jazz in six. Better coaching and bench will make the difference.

bebopdeluxe · Post #132 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:44 pm

bakesale wrote:I'm a fan of the Jazz but I honestly think OKC will win in 5 or 6 at most.

Utah just don't match up well against OKC. They have the higher talent level, I think they will be able to step up in their defensive effort and Utah just don't have enough scoring to keep up. I mean if the games are tightly contested the experience of the likes of Westbrook and Paul George I expect will be able to find a bucket more easily than rookie Mitchell. With time to scout against Utah it's easier to stop their offence and that will be Utah's undoing.

That is a reasonable take.

eminence · Post #133 » by **eminence** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:46 pm

John Murdoch wrote:Snyder will let Russ get his and try to shut down everyone else . Could see thabo getting some pt on PG

Thabo is out for the season unfortunately.

But I'm excited just to see the Jazz back in the playoffs after last offseason, think we have a fair shot in this one and it should be fun

John Murdoch · Post #134 » by **John Murdoch** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:54 pm

eminence wrote:
John Murdoch wrote:Snyder will let Russ get his and try to shut down everyone else . Could see thabo getting some pt on PG

Thabo is out for the season unfortunately.

But I'm excited just to see the Jazz back in the playoffs after last offseason, think we have a fair shot in this one and it should be fun

They banned him? Thought it was a couple games for random substance , oh well. Crowder will have to step up

eminence · Post #135 » by **eminence** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:56 pm

John Murdoch wrote:
eminence wrote:
John Murdoch wrote:Snyder will let Russ get his and try to shut down everyone else . Could see thabo getting some pt on PG

Thabo is out for the season unfortunately.

But I'm excited just to see the Jazz back in the playoffs after last offseason, think we have a fair shot in this one and it should be fun

They banned him? Thought it was a couple games for random substance , oh well. Crowder will have to step up

Nah, had surgery for something or other a while back.

RalphSampsonJr · Post #136 » by **RalphSampsonJr** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:57 pm

These Rudy vs Steven takes are pretty interesting. I agree whole heartedly that Gobert is the better player but Adams seems to have his number when they play.
Anyone that has watched them the last couple seasons will agree

AdagioPace · Post #137 » by **AdagioPace** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:02 pm

best series by far
Jazz have impressed me more than OKC's mercurial volatility this season.

I think the Jazz are more dangerous with Mitchell than they were with Hayward. Mitchell,despite being an inferior player, seems to have those sparks that are really useful in the PS

Jazz in 7

bakesale · Post #138 » by **bakesale** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:10 pm

pace31 wrote:
baller16 wrote:OKC is getting severely downplayed. They have the 2 best players in this series, and we all know the playoffs is all about star power. Utah's main scorer is Mitchell too, and he's a rookie with no playoff experience. This will not be a close series like everyone is expecting

Again, pretty much an exact description of what we were going against with the Clips last year. If that post was done last year:

LAC is getting severely downplayed. They have the 2 best players in this series (Paul / Griffin), and we all know the playoffs is all about star power. Utah's main scorer is Hayward too, and he has no playoff experience. This will not be a close series like everyone is expecting

The difference is Paul is much easier to contain for Utah than Westbrook.

I also think Griffin is way overrated. Jazz' bigs match up well against Griffin. I think Paul George is more deadly than Griffin. Like Westbrook he will be harder to contain.

nbafan38 · Post #139 » by **nbafan38** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:13 pm

To me this comes down to OKC. If OKC plays smart and at their ceiling Utah can't compete. However we all know OKC is likely not to play smart and at their ceiling so this series can go either way.

Grits n Gravy · Post #140 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:32 pm

jjscap wrote:I think UTA wanted #5 instead of #3 because they play better on the road and more importantly they did not want to be seen as favorites which would put tons of pressure on their young inexperienced team. Now they're underdogs.

OKC's advantages: tons of offensive firepower, three stars, great homecourt/fans
UTA's advantages: better/smarter team-play, better defense, better coaching, less pressure

OKC's disadvantages: No Roberson, inferior bench, not great chemisty
UTA's disadvantages: lack of playoff experience (Rubio and DM's first series), limited offense

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