GT: Sixers @ Heat, Game 4, Saturday Apr. 21st, 2:30PM EST

[Rapaz]

Miami snacc to get this thread back on tracc:

Snacc failed us.

[76ciology]

Tough loss guys. But i admire how well coached your team is. And again, heat players played very physical and aggressive. But they showed class and sportmanship. Wade sounded very class post game, I thought he’d make that dirty screen set by ben on him as personal. Even Winslow tried to help Embiid when Josh Richardson was down.

There was a stretch in the fourth where there’s an upward momentum by the Sixers that I thought Spo should have inserted Josh richardson and whiteside.

I’m glad that we faced the Heat in the first round for I thought Sixers could learn the most from the Heat more than any other team in the east. The physicality just opens the eyes for the young players. It also will make them realize that grit and grind style basketball can somewhat make up for the lack in talent.

[ElDoggo]

Tough loss guys. But i admire how well coached your team is. And again, heat players played very physical and aggressive. But they showed class and sportmanship. Wade sounded very class post game, I thought he’d make that dirty screen set by ben on him as personal. Even Winslow tried to help Embiid when Josh Richardson was down.

There was a stretch in the fourth where there’s an upward momentum by the Sixers that I thought Spo should have inserted Josh richardson and whiteside.

I’m glad that we faced the Heat in the first round for I thought Sixers could learn the most from the Heat more than any other team in the east. The physicality just opens the eyes for the young players. It also will make them realize that grit and grind style basketball can somewhat make up for the lack in talent.

Spo's teams do give great effort. I wish Id agree with his decisions during the game, thats his major flaw and he hasnt improved. His lineups are weird and his subs weirder.

[Wiltside]

Was just watching some highlights of this game. Up 10 with 2 minutes left in the third. God the close to that quarter was just horrific. When Ersan hit that three to make it 4pt game rather than 7 going into the 4th I knew we’d phucked it.

Zombie James Franco has really been a giant pain in the ass this series.

[Bishop45]

Doubt they'd entertain the idea of moving Dunn.

I'm a proponent of future picks, 2019/2020. Take a teams bad contract, give them a good player, hope they fail horribly. At worst we get a pick. At best it could be lottery.

All i know is any team that draft's Doncic should be banging down our door asking what we would want for Dragic. Would be ideal reuniting the fellow championship country men together.

Dragic to the Spurs makes a lot of sense, as Parker is in the twilight of his career and they want to stay competitive. We might be able to receive a lightly protected 2020 first rounder from them. No protection would be best, but seeing as how teams are being built in Boston and Philly off of other teams mistakes, it might be hard to do. The Spurs do look like a team that could crash and burn as they're at their most volatile right now.

I want Derrick White

[ccameron]

Am I the only one who finds this Heat team version one of the least likeable and depressing? I miss the 2016 1 win away from ecf team or heck even the Beasley/JO 1st round teams.

Its the same repetitive chit always with this team. Always keep pullin the same stuff that makes you smh. Choke big leads, go on an offensive drought, get outrebounded, miss free throws, mess up on D. Guys, im not even talking about this game only. This team has been doing this THE WHOLE SEASON and is really frustrating to watch as a fan. You would think they learned by now after choking like 10 reg season games away and its the playoffs and its time to turn on the switch but nah, they keep up the stubborn habits and crumble always.

Too bad this series is much closer than what it looks like but Philly will stomp us in 5....I love the Heat but this version is just ugh.

Nah man it sucks we lose like this, but I still like this team. It's very much like the 2016, in fact I would say even a slightly better team, except the difference is Wade is 2 years older -- goes to show how important he was to their success in 2016.

They play with a lot of heart, even if it can be frustrating -- not depressed about it tbh. I'm confident they put up a huge fight next game.

[DayofMourning]

I want Derrick White

Dragic for Pau, DW and 2020 1st rounder?

Don't know Pau's worth, but I think he's got a few years left on his contract and he's got to be pushing 40.

Don't know DW either. Bigger point with low assist numbers, but high 3 point %.

[Bishop45]

I want Derrick White

Dragic for Pau, DW and 2020 1st rounder?

Don't know Pau's worth, but I think he's got a few years left on his contract and he's got to be pushing 40.

Don't know DW either. Bigger point with low assist numbers, but high 3 point %.

Decent 2-way prospect, das all I need

[Flash4thewin]

Sad state of affairs imo.

Why? Our only legit franchise success came on the back of a top draft pick.

We're turning into the Knicks at this rate. They've been trying to win for 15 years digging hole after hole.

Because, as I said in another post, professional sports are about competition, not about losing on purpose. Being rewarded for tanking sends a bad message to fans and kids growing up playing team sports that not playing to win is o.k.

No the goal is to win a championship and to do everything allowed in the books to do it. One would be an idiot to think otherwise. The same principles apply in real life. Take the dolphins as an example for following the same Heat plan. They try to win instead of bottoming out for a top draft pick. The dolphins are considered a joke, do you want the same for the Heat? It’s all about winning at the end of the day. This match has shown us crystal clearly how doing one philosophy of wining vs the tanking and how painful wrong no dead wrong we have been. People get fired for this level of failure...

[Kobewade11]

No the goal is to win a championship and to do everything allowed in the books to do it. One would be an idiot to think otherwise. The same principles apply in real life. Take the dolphins as an example for following the same Heat plan. They try to win instead of bottoming out for a top draft pick. The dolphins are considered a joke, do you want the same for the Heat? It’s all about winning at the end of the day. This match has shown us crystal clearly how doing one philosophy of wining vs the tanking and how painful wrong no dead wrong we have been. People get fired for this level of failure...

Football isn't a good example. Franchise players are routinely drafted mid to late in the first round, all rounds actually. The Dolphins are universally recognized as a poorly run organization, period. You never hear that said about the Heat except from Heat fans.

[jaseda510]

Waiters or not, we've already seen what the current core is capable of and that's a second round exit at best.

While we still have our firsts for 2019 and 2020, the Heat need to spend the next 2 seasons for "player development" purposes. Give Winslow and Richardson at least 30 minutes a game, 15 FGAs each, and Bam 25-28 mpg. See what DJJ can do.

The contracts of Whiteside, Dragic, and TJ all expire in the 2020 off-season. Think about the pieces we would have in place by then (assuming no giving up assets for salary dumps): Winslow, Richardson, Bam, 2019 1st, and 2020 1st. Hopefully one of those will turn out to be a good 2nd or 3rd option for a contender and then we'd already have the supporting cast in place for a star FA.

BTW I can definitely see Riley, Wade, and Haslem all retire at the same time.

[Bishop45]

Waiters or not, we've already seen what the current core is capable of and that's a second round exit at best.

While we still have our firsts for 2019 and 2020, the Heat need to spend the next 2 seasons for "player development" purposes. Give Winslow and Richardson at least 30 minutes a game, 15 FGAs each, and Bam 25-28 mpg. See what DJJ can do.

The contracts of Whiteside, Dragic, and TJ all expire in the 2020 off-season. Think about the pieces we would have in place by then (assuming no giving up assets for salary dumps): Winslow, Richardson, Bam, 2019 1st, and 2020 1st. Hopefully one of those will turn out to be a good 2nd or 3rd option for a contender and then we'd already have the supporting cast in place for a star FA.

BTW I can definitely see Riley, Wade, and Haslem all retire at the same time.

True but second round ceiling is life for more than 90% of the league(If most teams are lucky enough). Fans want a sure-fire path to a Championship when there isn't, only thing I can say that the Heat need to do for sure is get some capspace and maximize their resources

[eddieheatfan]

Tough loss guys. But i admire how well coached your team is. And again, heat players played very physical and aggressive. But they showed class and sportmanship. Wade sounded very class post game, I thought he’d make that dirty screen set by ben on him as personal. Even Winslow tried to help Embiid when Josh Richardson was down.

There was a stretch in the fourth where there’s an upward momentum by the Sixers that I thought Spo should have inserted Josh richardson and whiteside.

I’m glad that we faced the Heat in the first round for I thought Sixers could learn the most from the Heat more than any other team in the east. The physicality just opens the eyes for the young players. It also will make them realize that grit and grind style basketball can somewhat make up for the lack in talent.

[somerandomdude]

Tough loss guys. But i admire how well coached your team is. And again, heat players played very physical and aggressive. But they showed class and sportmanship. Wade sounded very class post game, I thought he’d make that dirty screen set by ben on him as personal. Even Winslow tried to help Embiid when Josh Richardson was down.

There was a stretch in the fourth where there’s an upward momentum by the Sixers that I thought Spo should have inserted Josh richardson and whiteside.

I’m glad that we faced the Heat in the first round for I thought Sixers could learn the most from the Heat more than any other team in the east. The physicality just opens the eyes for the young players. It also will make them realize that grit and grind style basketball can somewhat make up for the lack in talent.

IMO: There's a few metrics of a good coach:

- Wins one or more titles
- Gets a team to overachieve
- Can get his team to pull an upset in the playoffs


Spo has won 2 titles, but those teams were ridiculously stacked. Some might argue that he may have even under achieved.

I think Spo does a great job of getting his teams to play hard, but I think he could've convinced a lot of us skeptics by pulling the upset on Philly. I don't think it'll happen at this point, but if he did, I'd, personally, have to give him credit for doing it.

[eddieheatfan]

Tough loss guys. But i admire how well coached your team is. And again, heat players played very physical and aggressive. But they showed class and sportmanship. Wade sounded very class post game, I thought he’d make that dirty screen set by ben on him as personal. Even Winslow tried to help Embiid when Josh Richardson was down.

There was a stretch in the fourth where there’s an upward momentum by the Sixers that I thought Spo should have inserted Josh richardson and whiteside.

I’m glad that we faced the Heat in the first round for I thought Sixers could learn the most from the Heat more than any other team in the east. The physicality just opens the eyes for the young players. It also will make them realize that grit and grind style basketball can somewhat make up for the lack in talent.

IMO: There's a few metrics of a good coach:

- Wins one or more titles
- Gets a team to overachieve
- Can get his team to pull an upset in the playoffs

I think Spo does a great job of getting his teams to play hard, but I think he could've convinced a lot of us skeptics by pulling the upset on Philly. I don't think it'll happen at this point, but if he did, I'd personally have to give him credit for doing it.

IMO: There's a few metrics of a good coach:

- Wins one or more titles
- Gets a team to overachieve
- Can get his team to pull an upset in the playoffs

-he won titles because he has had the blessings of having good players (lebron,boshy,dwade and ray allen etc etc any coach wins titles with these types of players,also he looks exposed in that 2014 ill fated finals)

-he hasnt overachieved anything since lebron and wade left and we are now on the playoffs because detroid was a really worse team than us.even know we are on the verge of being eliminated by the sixers let that sink that in for you


-when has this happened after the lebron,boshy.wade post era?

[somerandomdude]

Spoiler:

IMO: There's a few metrics of a good coach:

- Wins one or more titles
- Gets a team to overachieve
- Can get his team to pull an upset in the playoffs

I think Spo does a great job of getting his teams to play hard, but I think he could've convinced a lot of us skeptics by pulling the upset on Philly. I don't think it'll happen at this point, but if he did, I'd personally have to give him credit for doing it.

IMO: There's a few metrics of a good coach:

- Wins one or more titles
- Gets a team to overachieve
- Can get his team to pull an upset in the playoffs

-he won titles because he has had the blessings of having good players (lebron,boshy,dwade and ray allen etc etc any coach wins titles with these types of players,also he looks exposed in that 2014 ill fated finals)

-he hasnt overachieved anything since lebron and wade left and we are now on the playoffs because detroid was a really worse team than us.even know we are on the verge of being eliminated by the sixers let that sink that in for you


-when has this happened after the lebron,boshy.wade post era?

Not sure if you picked up on this, but I was agreeing with your post, just in a more conversation-provoking way.

[eddieheatfan]

Spoiler:

IMO: There's a few metrics of a good coach:

- Wins one or more titles
- Gets a team to overachieve
- Can get his team to pull an upset in the playoffs

I think Spo does a great job of getting his teams to play hard, but I think he could've convinced a lot of us skeptics by pulling the upset on Philly. I don't think it'll happen at this point, but if he did, I'd personally have to give him credit for doing it.

IMO: There's a few metrics of a good coach:

- Wins one or more titles
- Gets a team to overachieve
- Can get his team to pull an upset in the playoffs

-he won titles because he has had the blessings of having good players (lebron,boshy,dwade and ray allen etc etc any coach wins titles with these types of players,also he looks exposed in that 2014 ill fated finals)

-he hasnt overachieved anything since lebron and wade left and we are now on the playoffs because detroid was a really worse team than us.even know we are on the verge of being eliminated by the sixers let that sink that in for you


-when has this happened after the lebron,boshy.wade post era?

Not sure if you picked up on this, but I was agreeing with your post, just in a more conversation-provoking way.

really? its okay it was very late when i wrote that its all good breh,its cool to have a different opinion