Travis Schlenk trying to build Hawks in Warrior’s image (aka 2018 offseason thread)

Post #41 » by **ATL Boy** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:11 am

Well Travis, you got what you wanted. Bud is out and the ball is in your court. Don't screw this up.

Post #42 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:33 am

ATL Boy wrote:Well Travis, you got what you wanted. Bud is out and the ball is in your court. Don't screw this up.

This is the proper response to all that has happened the last 12 months.

I don't love all the moves he's made. But it's difficult to say any were outright bad ones.

They were tough, necessary decisions to move into the new phase of the rebuild.

D21 · Post #43 » by **D21** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:50 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:Well Travis, you got what you wanted. Bud is out and the ball is in your court. Don't screw this up.

This is the proper response to all that has happened the last 12 months.
I don't love all the moves he's made. But it's difficult to say any were outright bad ones.
They were tough, necessary decisions to move into the new phase of the rebuild.

Could have been better to inform Bud last summer that it would not be a one-year tank/rebuild but at least 2 or 3 years, and let him go at this moment.
At least, with the same other moves, but without Bud, ATL would have finish with the worst record this season and have the highest odds in the draft.

But maybe it's not what Schlenk wants... like I thought some months ago, he can really want to make it like GSW, and so would prefer some 6th or 7th pick for three years, than a 1st pick...

Post #44 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:59 pm

D21 wrote:Could have been better to inform Bud last summer that it would not be a one-year tank/rebuild but at least 2 or 3 years, and let him go at this moment....

I can't imagine anyone in the Hawks front office was in favor of just eating the $20+ million left on Bud's contract at that point.

And Schlenk told the whole world we were rebuilding this thing.

If Bud wasn't on board, he could have resigned. He chose to stay and be tank commander for season...but, understandably, tried to pad his resume a bit with ill-advised victories in the final few games.

Post #45 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:05 pm

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Got to respect the man willing to face the fire and answer all questions...

jayu70 · Post #46 » by **jayu70** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:10 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
D21 wrote:Could have been better to inform Bud last summer that it would not be a one-year tank/rebuild but at least 2 or 3 years, and let him go at this moment....

I can't imagine anyone in the Hawks front office was in favor of just eating the $20+ million left on Bud's contract at that point.

And Schlenk told the whole world we were rebuilding this thing.

If Bud wasn't on board, he could have resigned. He chose to stay and be tank commander for season...but, understandably, tried to pad his resume a bit with ill-advised victories in the final few games.

Rebuilding, yes.
Schlenk also said:
.Take a step back to get better and talent
.No interest in a Philly stule tank
.We'll play hard and be fun and if we win 30 games then so be it - we saw how that played out.
.leverage capspace for future 1sts.

#MixedMessagesToEveryone

Post #47 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:15 pm

jayu70 wrote:Rebuilding, yes.
Schlenk also said:
.Take a step back to get better and talent
.No interest in a Philly stule tank
.We'll play hard and be fun and if we win 30 games then so be it - we saw how that played out.
.leverage capspace for future 1sts.

#MixedMessagesToEveryone

That sounds very consistent to me.

We're rebuilding, but we're not gonna intentionally bottom out for the next half decade.

From everything I've read and heard...it was the demotion, change of direction and complete undermining of all Bud's previous personnel decisions that led to [Bud's discontentment].

Bud chose to go. And the decision was understandable.

jayu70 · Post #48 » by **jayu70** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:18 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:Rebuilding, yes.
Schlenk also said:
.Take a step back to get better and talent
.No interest in a Philly stule tank
.We'll play hard and be fun and if we win 30 games then so be it - we saw how that played out.
.leverage capspace for future 1sts.

#MixedMessagesToEveryone

That sounds very consistent to me.

We're rebuilding, but we're not gonna intentionally bottom out for the next half decade.

From everything I've read and heard...it was the demotion, change of direction and complete undermining of all Bud's previous personnel decisions that led to [Bud's discontentment].

Bud chose to go. And the decision was understandable.

It may not be intentional but we'll be there.

Post #49 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:20 pm

jayu70 wrote:It may not be intentional but we'll be there.

Just to clarify...you think we'll be terrible for half a decade just because Mike Budenholzer left a last place team?

Weren't we a playoff team for years before Bud even got here?

Under terrible coaches?

Post #50 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:21 pm

Schlenk will hold a press conference Thursday but told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, “It’s time for both of us to move on. We feel like it’s in the best interest of both parties.”

according to a league source, Budenholzer was disillusioned with the club’s direction, believing the next two seasons will resemble a Trust-The-Process Sixers-style rebuild.

League executives believed the Hawks have wanted to get out of the final two years and $13 million left on Budenholzer’s pact since the franchise will not try to make the playoffs during that span.

NY Post

jayu70 · Post #51 » by **jayu70** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:25 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:It may not be intentional but we'll be there.

Just to clarify...you think we'll be terrible for half a decade just because Mike Budenholzer left a last place team?

Weren't we a playoff team for years before Bud even got here?

Under terrible coaches?

There is no absolute, what I do know is WITH Bud and where the team as constructed is today with incoming picks in the next 2 years I'dbe more CONFIDENT than with a young coach to grow with young players.

jayu70 · Post #52 » by **jayu70** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:30 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Schlenk will hold a press conference Thursday but told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, “It’s time for both of us to move on. We feel like it’s in the best interest of both parties.”

according to a league source, Budenholzer was disillusioned with the club’s direction, believing the next two seasons will resemble a Trust-The-Process Sixers-style rebuild.

League executives believed the Hawks have wanted to get out of the final two years and $13 million left on Budenholzer’s pact since the franchise will not try to make the playoffs during that span.
NY Post

Exactly what Schlenk said he had NO interest in doing. :lol:

That's fine if that's what he wants to do, I just don't think Bud expected it to be the case when the season started.

kg01 · Post #53 » by **kg01** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:34 pm

jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
Schlenk will hold a press conference Thursday but told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, “It’s time for both of us to move on. We feel like it’s in the best interest of both parties.”

according to a league source, Budenholzer was disillusioned with the club’s direction, believing the next two seasons will resemble a Trust-The-Process Sixers-style rebuild.

League executives believed the Hawks have wanted to get out of the final two years and $13 million left on Budenholzer’s pact since the franchise will not try to make the playoffs during that span.
NY Post

Exactly what Schlenk said he had NO interest in doing.
That's fine if that's what he wants to do, I just don't think Bud expected it to be the case when the season started.

Apparently, it doesn't matter what Schlenki wants to do. Smells like Ressler's running the show.

Spud2nique · Post #54 » by **Spud2nique** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:46 pm

kg01 wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:

NY Post

Exactly what Schlenk said he had NO interest in doing.
That's fine if that's what he wants to do, I just don't think Bud expected it to be the case when the season started.

Apparently, it doesn't matter what Schlenki wants to do. Smells like Ressler's running the show.

You know they say that unselfish point guards push the ball ahead when they see an open teammate, if Ressler was a point guard, he wouldn’t do that. He strikes me as a Stephon Marbury/Steve Francis selfish type.

Aka I will only pass you the ball if it shows what a wonderful assist I made...

Leggo YOUR Ego!

the_process · Post #55 » by **the_process** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:04 pm

jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
D21 wrote:Could have been better to inform Bud last summer that it would not be a one-year tank/rebuild but at least 2 or 3 years, and let him go at this moment....

I can't imagine anyone in the Hawks front office was in favor of just eating the $20+ million left on Bud's contract at that point.

And Schlenk told the whole world we were rebuilding this thing.

If Bud wasn't on board, he could have resigned. He chose to stay and be tank commander for season...but, understandably, tried to pad his resume a bit with ill-advised victories in the final few games.

Rebuilding, yes.
Schlenk also said:
.Take a step back to get better and talent
.No interest in a Philly stule tank
.We'll play hard and be fun and if we win 30 games then so be it - we saw how that played out.
.leverage capspace for future 1sts.

#MixedMessagesToEveryone

You guys do realize that they have to give mixed messages, right?

Silver, that hypocrite, has set the precedent that if you come out blatantly and say you’re engaging in multi-year tanking, you’ll be forced to resign and unofficially blacklisted from the league.

The league doesn’t care if you tank, they only care about the PR of it. Keep it quiet, pretend to care, and no one will bother you.

jayu70 · Post #56 » by **jayu70** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:24 pm

the_process wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:

I can't imagine anyone in the Hawks front office was in favor of just eating the $20+ million left on Bud's contract at that point.

And Schlenk told the whole world we were rebuilding this thing.

If Bud wasn't on board, he could have resigned. He chose to stay and be tank commander for season...but, understandably, tried to pad his resume a bit with ill-advised victories in the final few games.

Rebuilding, yes.
Schlenk also said:
.Take a step back to get better and talent
.No interest in a Philly stule tank
.We'll play hard and be fun and if we win 30 games then so be it - we saw how that played out.
.leverage capspace for future 1sts.

#MixedMessagesToEveryone

You guys do realize that they have to give mixed messages, right?

Silver, that hypocrite, has set the precedent that if you come out blatantly and say you’re engaging in multi-year tanking, you’ll be forced to resign and unofficially blacklisted from the league.

The league doesn’t care if you tank, they only care about the PR of it. Keep it quiet, pretend to care, and no one will bother you.

I expect that as a fan, so I take no issue with it. Just seems that wasn't Bud's expectation.

Global Game · Post #57 » by **Global Game** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:30 am

It's pretty exciting the opportunity that the Hawks have now.

Time for the Marcus Eriksson era begin.

Shooting, shooting and more shooting Travis! Make it rain bruv!!!

jayu70 · Post #58 » by **jayu70** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:12 pm

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Post #59 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:32 am

With Budenholzer no longer here, I'd be willing to bring Edy back in on a 1 year deal and give another shot.

Particularly if we (miracle of miracles) manage to grab Doncic in the draft. It's clear they have a good rapport.

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Spud2nique · Post #60 » by **Spud2nique** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:27 pm

jayu70 wrote:

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What a schmuck!