Fake Trade Thread

Post #421 » by **JDR720** » Thu May 3, 2018 5:20 am

MKG for Wilson Chandler and Juan Hernangomez

Chandler is expiring and can do MKGs role while also being able to shoot and reunite the Hernangomez bros (i dont actually know if they are related, but they're the same age and both spanish so im saying they are)

Post #422 » by **JDR720** » Thu May 3, 2018 5:28 am

Zeller and Stone for Mudiay and Lee.

We take a swing on Mudiay to see if he can be the backup PG and get Lee back in Charlotte.

stinger14 · Post #423 » by **stinger14** » Thu May 3, 2018 8:37 am

JDR720 wrote:Evidently Melo has a no trade clause according to someone on the T&T board. yea, we would definitely have to buy him out for him to come here.

Add Cleveland to the trade. Send Melo to the Cavs , they get him to help convince LeBron to stay. Cavs send us George Hill, who would backup Kemba, and be a perfect pairing with Monk

Liver_Pooty · Post #424 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu May 3, 2018 2:55 pm

JDR720 wrote:Zeller and Stone for Mudiay and Lee.

We take a swing on Mudiay to see if he can be the backup PG and get Lee back in Charlotte.

Mudiay is hot garbage, and Im more than content with our 2 guard position right now/

LofJ · Post #425 » by **LofJ** » Thu May 3, 2018 3:15 pm

Put together some save Michael Jordan money and improve the team at the same time trades:

Trade 1 with San Antonio and Orlando

CHA Out Howard and Batum
CHA In Gasol, Fournier, and Lauvergne

SAS Out Gasol, Mills, Gay, Lauvergne
SAS In Batum, Vucevic, and Augustin

ORL Out Fournier, Augustin, Vucevic
ORL In Howard, Gay, Mills

Trade 2 with the LA Clippers

CHA Out Williams
CHA In Beverley and Wes Johnson

Kemba/Beverley
Lamb/Monk
Fournier/MKG
Zeller/Johnson
Kaminsky/Gasol

Reserves: Lauvergne, Bacon, Willy, and 2018 1st

MJ saves about $50 million and the team now has the cap flexibility to make things happen next summer, whether Kemba walks or not.

BuzzCity · Post #426 » by **BuzzCity** » Fri May 4, 2018 1:29 pm

Electric_Monk wrote:Ok I know this won’t go over well but I just read that the Thunder would very much like to trade Carmelo Anthony. How about a Batum Melo trade straight up? I believe Melo has a no trade but if he wanted to leave it might be worth looking into. He does have a horrible contract but it does have two years less than Batum’s. What do y’all think?

Why would the Thunder ever wanna do this? If I’m Presti, I’d need a lot more than Batum. I’d be demanding a pick...not cuz Melo is anything special, but because Batum’s contract is trash even before u consider how horrible he played this year

LofJ · Post #427 » by **LofJ** » Fri May 4, 2018 5:34 pm

I just saw that the Bucks are interviewing Clifford. I wonder how likely a Howard trade to reunite him with Clifford would be? I'd think about a Henson/Delly swap to give them more cap space next summer, but they'd have to provide extra incentive.

We'd have to follow that up by finding an expiring for Marvin, so maybe taking on an additional 19 million isn't the best idea?

MasterIchiro · Post #428 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri May 4, 2018 5:49 pm

How about reuniting Marvin with Clifford in Milwaukee?

MasterIchiro · Post #429 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri May 4, 2018 5:51 pm

Forget about it. The Bucks have no expirings so no fit for Marvin and certainly not taking on money for Dwight's expiring. We need it more.

Braggins · Post #430 » by **Braggins** » Fri May 4, 2018 7:03 pm

If we can't find a team to swap expirings + a little extra value for Dwight, or just a better fitting player who is expiring (Wes Matthews?) then we might be better off just buying him out. I like the idea of keeping his expiring cap space, but I don't really want him anywhere near this team. Maybe if whoever we hire as coach is confident they can somehow get him to buy in to a completely different playstyle, but I think Howard is probably as delusional as Melo about his game, so its kind of hard to imagine.

Post #431 » by **JDR720** » Fri May 4, 2018 7:16 pm

Carroll for Marvin + 2nd

Basically the same player, but Carroll is expiring.

Post #432 » by **JDR720** » Fri May 4, 2018 7:18 pm

Dwight for Robin Lopez

Both expiring, Bulls have cap to take Dwight without trading other stuff.

HornetJail · Post #433 » by **HornetJail** » Fri May 4, 2018 7:47 pm

Lopez isn't really a necessity for us since I like the Zeller/Willy duo at center but I do it purely for the $10M in cap savings.

I'm less certain about Marv/Carroll though. I think Marvin has value. Carroll had a decent year with Brooklyn, but is nowhere near the shooter Marvin is, and not quite the defender anymore either. He hasn't been the same since he got hurt in Toronto. I'd like it more if we already had a Jabari/Love/other upgraded PF trade lined up.

zaymon · Post #434 » by **zaymon** » Fri May 4, 2018 7:58 pm

How much you want Batum gone ? Would you swap Batum and Monk for Biyombo and Ross ? You would get dead weight in Biyombo but for 1 year less than Batum, and good sg to play next to Kemba on a great contract ( i think Simmons is worse for you becouse he is not shooter Ross is). Maybe you have some interest for Vucevic ?

LofJ · Post #435 » by **LofJ** » Fri May 4, 2018 8:07 pm

zaymon wrote:How much you want Batum gone ? Would you swap Batum and Monk for Biyombo and Ross ? You would get dead weight in Biyombo but for 1 year less than Batum, and good sg to play next to Kemba on a great contract ( i think Simmons is worse for you becouse he is not shooter Ross is). Maybe you have some interest for Vucevic ?

I have interest in Vucevic because he can pass and shoot a bit, but no interest in adding Biz with Dwight and Cody both still on the roster. And we already have Lamb, who is cheaper and every bit as good as Ross. And I really hope we aren't dumb enough to use Monk to dump Batum.

Braggins · Post #436 » by **Braggins** » Fri May 4, 2018 8:07 pm

zaymon wrote:How much you want Batum gone ? Would you swap Batum and Monk for Biyombo and Ross ? You would get dead weight in Biyombo but for 1 year less than Batum, and good sg to play next to Kemba on a great contract ( i think Simmons is worse for you becouse he is not shooter Ross is). Maybe you have some interest for Vucevic ?

Think about how interested you would be in trading us Isaac + Biyombo for Dwight Howard in order to get out of Biyombo's contract a single season sooner and you should have your answer.

zaymon wrote:Maybe you have some interest for Vucevic ?

We already have four rotation worthy centers (if you count Howard). We need to get rid of centers, not acquire more.

Batum's deal is terrible, but we aren't in a position to be getting rid of our best assets for cap space that we aren't going to be able to attract free agents with anyways. The only player on Orlando that we might be interested that there is any chance of them giving up is probably Fournier.

HornetJail · Post #437 » by **HornetJail** » Fri May 4, 2018 9:01 pm

Braggins wrote:
zaymon wrote:How much you want Batum gone ? Would you swap Batum and Monk for Biyombo and Ross ? You would get dead weight in Biyombo but for 1 year less than Batum, and good sg to play next to Kemba on a great contract ( i think Simmons is worse for you becouse he is not shooter Ross is). Maybe you have some interest for Vucevic ?

Think about how interested you would be in trading us Isaac + Biyombo for Dwight Howard in order to get out of Biyombo's contract a single season sooner and you should have your answer.

LOL this is spot on. What a terrible trade.

It's even worse since Batum is actually a good player, just overpaid.

zaymon · Post #438 » by **zaymon** » Fri May 4, 2018 9:13 pm

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
Braggins wrote:
zaymon wrote:How much you want Batum gone ? Would you swap Batum and Monk for Biyombo and Ross ? You would get dead weight in Biyombo but for 1 year less than Batum, and good sg to play next to Kemba on a great contract ( i think Simmons is worse for you becouse he is not shooter Ross is). Maybe you have some interest for Vucevic ?

Think about how interested you would be in trading us Isaac + Biyombo for Dwight Howard in order to get out of Biyombo's contract a single season sooner and you should have your answer.

LOL this is spot on. What a terrible trade.

It's even worse since Batum is actually a good player, just overpaid.

Well yeah trade was terrible i agree, just wanted to start some discussion. Maybe Vucevic and Ross for Batum and this years first ? Both Vucevic and Ross are on a good 2 year deals, we take Batum Huge contract and get an additional asset. Just dont bash me, you must always start high in negotiations

MasterIchiro · Post #439 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri May 4, 2018 10:08 pm

Monk vultures need to check themselves.

HornetJail · Post #440 » by **HornetJail** » Fri May 4, 2018 11:49 pm

zaymon wrote:
MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
Braggins wrote:Think about how interested you would be in trading us Isaac + Biyombo for Dwight Howard in order to get out of Biyombo's contract a single season sooner and you should have your answer.

LOL this is spot on. What a terrible trade.

It's even worse since Batum is actually a good player, just overpaid.

Well yeah trade was terrible i agree, just wanted to start some discussion. Maybe Vucevic and Ross for Batum and this years first ? Both Vucevic and Ross are on a good 2 year deals, we take Batum Huge contract and get an additional asset. Just dont bash me, you must always start high in negotiations

Even if you start high, you have to start with something remotely reasonable, otherwise you're going to turn people away.

I don't touch that Vuc/Ross for Batum/11 trade either. Even though both are expiring next summer, and Batum runs two more years after, what do we gain as a team? Ross serves no purpose to a team that already has Lamb, is invested heavily in Monk, and needs minutes for guys like Bacon and Graham too. He is not a good player and would rot on our bench. Vucevic is a single season upgrade over Hernangomez and probably Zeller too, but doesn't fit with our starters. I don't really value either player as more than a stopgap piece. Shedding Nic's deal is an incentive, but I don't give away #11 just to move it.

I'll keep saying it as long as people keep trying to do it, we're not going to dump Nic with a lottery pick attached. That's a no-win situation for several reasons: 1) If we're blowing it up and tanking, we need picks more than cap space 2) if we're competing, trading away both Nic and #11 leaves us without two pieces that make us better as a team 3) shedding Nic doesn't magically give us $20M in cap space. We are not able to do anything with the money we save- we'd still be right around the cap.

There is a time and a place for that kind of move, but we're not in that situation right now, and it shouldn't be done with a lottery pick no matter what.