2018 Trade Ideas thread

[Spens1]

Hassan Whiteside!!! Dios mio. No no no no.........

NO.

yeah but we get rid of Deng for a reasonably moveable asset. At least Whiteside has ability.

Whiteside's Ability to Contract cost ratio is worse than Deng's... For the money, Deng's a better asset... Especially since we can extend him now...

Whiteside can actually play though so we could offload him without giving up assets, people here are talking about giving up Kuzma to get rid of Deng.

[Sushisensei26]

yeah but we get rid of Deng for a reasonably moveable asset. At least Whiteside has ability.

Whiteside's Ability to Contract cost ratio is worse than Deng's... For the money, Deng's a better asset... Especially since we can extend him now...

Whiteside can actually play though so we could offload him without giving up assets, people here are talking about giving up Kuzma to get rid of Deng.

I think for what we'll be paying Whiteside he'll actually be a worst contract than Deng's AND we give up assets. And then when it doesn't work out we are back to square one trying to give up more assets to trade Whiteside. Not worth the risk as far as I am concerned. We've suffered with Deng and now with 2 yrs left on his deal we can hopefully (fingers crossed) move him or extend him so that we can finally undo the final mistake of Jimmy/Mitch.

Speaking of Kuzma...... did you all notice the last tweet from him? Typical cryptic/not so cryptic "I can't believe I am being discussed in a trade" tweet and then he "likes" IT's tweet in which he says "stay paranoid".

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[Kilroy]

yeah but we get rid of Deng for a reasonably moveable asset. At least Whiteside has ability.

Whiteside's Ability to Contract cost ratio is worse than Deng's... For the money, Deng's a better asset... Especially since we can extend him now...

Whiteside can actually play though so we could offload him without giving up assets, people here are talking about giving up Kuzma to get rid of Deng.

Who's saying we should give up Kuzma to dump Deng? I haven't seen that anywhere, and just because someone has a blatantly stupid idea, doesn't mean we need to have an equally stupid reaction to counter it...

With the way Whiteside has been playing, and his tendency to throw his team under the bus for his crappy play and the fact that he's owed like 26M/2yrs, I'm not sure how anyone could think he'd be easier to move than Deng... Expiring contracts aren't what they used to be... There is no way anyone's taking on Whitesides contract without either getting something also in return or dumping even worse contracts on Miami...

[RamonSessions7]

Yeah heelllllll no to Whiteside. Not even considered.

[Spens1]

Yeah heelllllll no to Whiteside. Not even considered.

Not even if it gets us out of Luol Deng, the same Luol Deng who didn't even play a game this season. I know Whiteside is a cancer but

14/11 and can actually defend. We'd be able to peddal him on for pure cap in a bit which is more than we can do for Deng's sorry contract.

[Spens1]

Anyway a somewhat realistic offseason (I say somewhat, still a bit of liberties are taken).

First:

Trade 1: Chicago-L.A.
Luol Deng + Zubac + 47 for Omer Asik

Bulls get a decent prospect (who they can start at centre in all honesty, if he goes there and is motivated he'd do very well in Chicago) and a pick in the 2nd (which they lack now) and we can stretch Asik for cheaper.

Draft:
#25 - Khyri Thomas - I think everyone should know my love of this man now, 6'3-6'4, 6'10 wingspan, NBA 3&D with handles and is efficient, him and Hart would be battling for S.G. if we missed out on a big name signing.
#34 (Purchased from Atlanta) - Keita Bates Diop - Its possible that he won't make it that far but his age i think will push him into the 2nd
#39 (Purchased from Philly) - Gary Clark - the oldest player in this draft I am sure but there isn't a flaw in his game, also in terms of ready to go players off the bench, he's there to immediately make an impact.

Trade 2:
Julius Randle (S&T) for Myles Turner

Value is off on face value you'd think (i'd say Turner is more valuable absolutely) but McMillan has called out Turner a few times over his play, obviously Randle's agent isn't best friends with Indiana right now but Randle would be going to a playoff team, would be a clear 2nd option and could be the big man equivalent of Oladipo (if he is, that makes them a scary 1-2 combo). Also him and Sabonis would be a fantastic front court (also i'd say better than Turner-Randle).

We do it cause we save a ton of money this year and get a centre we can rely upon, even with losing Randle, Turner would be amazing and is the better prospect.

Signings:

Lets say Lebron goes to Philly or Houston (to compete).

Paul George - 4 year deal - max money
Tyreke Evans - 1 year deal - 17 mill (similar to the KCP deal, pay him more in 1 year than he would earn on the open market whilst we bide time). Team option in 2nd year (for 18 mill).
Nerlens Noel - 1 year deal, 1 team option - 5 mill (i'd take the gamble, see what he can do as a defensive anchor).
Mario Hezonja - 1 year deal - 1 team option - 6 mill (same with Hezonja).
Rajon Rondo - 1 year deal - MLE (for mentorship reasons, also he is clever and as arrogant as he can be, he'd be good for Lonzo, he'd also be tough on him also, couldn't ask for a better mentor as both have similar strengths and weaknesses).


Season opener Lineup:
C. Myles Turner
P.F. Kyle Kuzma
S.F. Paul George
S.G. Brandon Ingram
P.G. Lonzo Ball

Bench:
Tyreke Evans, Rajon Rondo, Mario Hezonja, Khyri Thomas, Nerlens Noel, Gary Clark, Keita Bates Diop



Also During next season:

IF Kawhi Demands a trade from San Antonio (after signing the supermax) and he has been playing well still.

To Lakers:
Kawhi Leonard

To San Antonio:
Brandon Ingram
Tyreke Evans

That is the best rebuilding/retooling package they could dream of.

Then we're rocking a lineup of

Turner-Kuzma-Leonard-George-Ball

[loveshaq786]

I would love Rondo on this team... But he is about to get PAID

[RamonSessions7]

Yeah heelllllll no to Whiteside. Not even considered.

Not even if it gets us out of Luol Deng, the same Luol Deng who didn't even play a game this season. I know Whiteside is a cancer but

14/11 and can actually defend. We'd be able to peddal him on for pure cap in a bit which is more than we can do for Deng's sorry contract.

No. I'd rather have Deng on the books. He makes 7-8mil more than Deng the next two years which hurts us. The guy could not stay on the floor in a pretty low quality 1st round Eastern matchup, in what way is he supposed to be of use to us when it matters. He was pretty bad all year.

In a vacuum, obviously skill wise he can play basketball better than Deng, but his contract is noticeably worse, which is the whole reason Miami would ever do a deal like this. If we would gain this ability to then dump him for pure cap, we would do it instantly, but then again so would Miami.

[zuju]

Sign and trade is an option for us if we only sign on star or none.
So many teams are over the cap with overpaid players. They do not have the cap to sign free agents they want. We can help them in this regards, especially our free agents. In return, they have to, of course, trade us a player ( good player with expiring contract) plus assets (e.g. picls or young talents under rookie contract).
For instance, if Denver want IT, we can sign and trade IT for Faried (good player & expiring) + pick
In this way, we can get some useful assets and bench/role players e.g. Faried for next season while not hurting flexibility next summer

P.S. I still want the lakers to retain both Randle and Brook, a duo with chemistry

[Ball so hard]

^^^Good post.

[jbent87]

off topic:

how realistic is a 3 superstar signing offseason for you guys? ie. LBJ, PG13 and Boogie? Saw something like that discussed somewhere and know you have around 70M I think so obviously would have to figure out the Deng situation too. But is it possible?

:insert Kevin Garnett gif here:

[One Love]

PG or BUST Baby... Lonzo (6’6”), PG (6’”9) & Ingram (6’9”) would be terrors on the wing defensively (Hart 6’5”) too... I will buy EVERYONE a cocktail or shot/beer wherever I am when PG signs... Rest is GRAVY... Gotta love Mitchell Robinson (7’0”) C with energy & DaVinccio (6’5”) SG with hops..

Lakeshow Baby...

[Michael Lucky]

off topic:

how realistic is a 3 superstar signing offseason for you guys? ie. LBJ, PG13 and Boogie? Saw something like that discussed somewhere and know you have around 70M I think so obviously would have to figure out the Deng situation too. But is it possible?

:insert Kevin Garnett gif here:

Ugh all three would have to take massive discounts so i don't see how that's possible. You are talking an average of 21-22 million per player. Lebron and George themselves should get the sum total.

[danfantastk32]

off topic:

how realistic is a 3 superstar signing offseason for you guys? ie. LBJ, PG13 and Boogie? Saw something like that discussed somewhere and know you have around 70M I think so obviously would have to figure out the Deng situation too. But is it possible?

:insert Kevin Garnett gif here:

Ugh all three would have to take massive discounts so i don't see how that's possible. You are talking an average of 21-22 million per player. Lebron and George themselves should get the sum total.

If you traded say Ingram for Kawhi....Ingram is gonna make like 7mil or so next season....Kawhi only makes like 20. So that's not a huge jump. If you were able to get Lebron and PG at 30-32mil each....and Kawhi for 20, your at about 82-85 mil lets say. You obviously gotta move deng, and no resigning Randle.

Would anyone take Kuzma & our Cle pick for Deng? If you could pull something off like that....and then sign / trade randle and Ingram for Kawhi......you might be able to make that 3-man dream.

Ball / PG / Kawhi / Lebron / Lopez (Mid level). You got Hart off bench. Get some vet guys.

I don't know that I really like that plan....but I don't think its "lala land"....some things have to go our way, but it's doable.

[danfantastk32]

off topic:

how realistic is a 3 superstar signing offseason for you guys? ie. LBJ, PG13 and Boogie? Saw something like that discussed somewhere and know you have around 70M I think so obviously would have to figure out the Deng situation too. But is it possible?

:insert Kevin Garnett gif here:

Ugh all three would have to take massive discounts so i don't see how that's possible. You are talking an average of 21-22 million per player. Lebron and George themselves should get the sum total.

Taking it a step further (this starts to get a little more unrealistic).....perhaps you could convince Lebron and PG to take a cut, to get Randle back. Maybe we get Randle for $16-18mil. <-------Maybe Lebron gets tired of it, and wants to win a title...and is willing to leave a little on the table???

It would start with trading Kuzma / Cle Pick /Ingram / Deng to San-Antonio for(Kawhi would have to play hardball and essentially refuse to talk to other teams...."LA or I sit out season and walk"). If Kawhi get's all big-dick-swinging about this....I think San-A does it. Ingram / Kuz / pick and 2 years of Deng could be worse.

You sign Randle for $16-18ish.....You got Ball at about $7 lets throw $4 more in there for the rest of the roster (Hart, Zubes, etc.)That's about $27mil. $20 for Kawhi....= $47mil <-------Leaves you about $55mil to sign Lebron and PG. I think we could prob get it up to about $60 mil with the tricks and exceptions, and blah blah blah in the CBA. $30 each?

Ball, PG, Kahwi, Lebron, Randle....Hart/Lopez off bench. <------Guys are taking small cuts. Nothing too major.

[LAKESHOW]

If we waited for PG. We could possibly use that same road map next year for K. It's all on Kawi. He has supposedly has a contract in front of him. Sign it. We out. Doesn't sign, things could get interesting.

[Vae Victus]

Assuming we sign PG13, whiff on Lebron, and whether or not we extend Randle (but definitely not for big money), i'd do a Deng + Zubac for Whiteside. Leaves us with 10ish mil in cap while holding onto Randle's 12.5m caphold. Ideally we sign a good player then match Randle offer sheet after it. Preferably a good backup PG/SF whichever spot we dont draft for

C - Whiteside, Randle, Bryant
PF- Randle, Kuzma
SF- Ingram
SG- PG13, Hart
PG- Lonzo

The team is balanced and no bad money other than potentially Whiteside if he flops. I personally dont think he'll flop that badly, i think a change of scenery will do him good. Also gives us salary ballast in case we want to make a big move for someone like Kawhi if things dont work out for him in 2019. We retain our youth and with development they can start competing when the Dubs start winding down due to age.

I mean, Deng to us is utterly worthless since we have the PF position all sewn up and he's unable to defend SF. Might as well roll the dice on Whiteside and hope the trade motivates him again. Whiteside in the middle is a legit defensive presence, something we've been missing since DHo.

[SlimShady83]

A

C - Whiteside, Randle, Bryant
PF- Randle, Kuzma
SF- Ingram
SG- PG13, Hart
PG- Lonzo

Not too bad, we'de have to keep Caruso and still need a back up PG and SF though

[Spens1]

I have a feeling this idea is not going to be liked but, IF we somehow miss out on all maxes (or only land Cousins).

To Lakers:
Andrew Wiggins

To Timberwolves:
Josh Hart
Luol Deng

They ought to thank us as well since they could then go out and get a S.G. (KCP) who fits the system. I want to see Walton work his magic and revitalise Wiggins into a solid S.G. again, also Wiggins next to a pass first P.G.

Ball-Wiggins-Ingram-Kuzma-Randle/Cousins

[jbent87]

I have a feeling this idea is not going to be liked but, IF we somehow miss out on all maxes (or only land Cousins).

To Lakers:
Andrew Wiggins

To Timberwolves:
Josh Hart
Luol Deng

They ought to thank us as well since they could then go out and get a S.G. (KCP) who fits the system. I want to see Walton work his magic and revitalise Wiggins into a solid S.G. again, also Wiggins next to a pass first P.G.

Ball-Wiggins-Ingram-Kuzma-Randle/Cousins

Yeah I love this for you guys. Heckuva young core.

RE: the LeBron stuff, no chance he takes a paycut. Think he's mentioned that numerous times before, about how he has a responsibility to not take a cut for the players coming after him, or some nonsense like that.