Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread

[kg01]

I'm just shocked, staggered and stupefied that you don't have Carter higher on your lists. He's supposedly Horford-like. Figured you'd be all on that like @spud on fat chicks.

Because he is not like Horford. The prospect who most reminds me of Horford is Mikal Bridges. Makes everyone better. Elite execution possession by possession and will get better with age. Same mentality, same meh iso skills. Same winning passion. Lacks weaknesses and is a + skill prospect. I love Mikal. I love love love Mikal

Carter reminds me of Brook Lopez mixed with Zach Randolph with athleticism like Kenyon Martin. Clearly not the peak of any of these players but like Martin, hes kinda stiff but excellent and running and jumping. Very good mover on offense. Brook with the way he uses his BBIQ and skill level and Z-Bo in how he does an elite job of using leverage and footwork for scoring and rebounding. I like him a ton like I like JJJ but i dont see more than a high level rotational piece in the long run. Not a star or elite player.

Slow your role playa...Mikal came to da party wit me...get ur own girl..or go grab MPJ from kg or Wendell from Jamal ...
Weeeze fitta go to dis party together long time comin you homewrecker...

Ok I can’t lie that got away from me a tad..

Clearly spud's been over-served. Somebody grab his keys.

Here's a dilemma for you guys that love Carter, Bridges and guys like that. I get they'd be good culture building block types, not necessarily franchise guys. IOW, once we get back to winning, they're guys you'd like to have. The problem is, that's probably not for another 2-3 years (if I'm being optimistic). By then, it's just about time to re-sign them. Can't over-pay. Probably shouldn't match a major rFA offer. What then?

I ain't tryna be another POR max'ng out guys like Miles Linnid and that other clown who's name escapes me. Next thing you know, we're capped out and crapped out on middling young(s) who really are only worth it when surrounded by plus vets.

[Spud2nique]

Excuse my prodding here...I’d be the last (first) one to get on you about anything but can you explain to me how Wendell Carter will impact a series but Bamba cannot? That seems like something the teacher might catch you on, thought I’d point it out first. (This is a straight dig because you decided to paint the nba games thread green this morning and I didn’t like it).


As Tony Montana says...JOOOOUUURRRR TUUURRRNNNNN..

Lol, I always find people opinion of Bamba to be interesting. I love Bamba as a prospect but some guys hate him

I'm just shocked, staggered and stupefied that you don't have Carter higher on your lists. He's supposedly Horford-like. Figured you'd be all on that like @spud on fat chicks.

just call me Too $hort! Album number 87...

(With a splash of sir mix a lot)

F Fonda! You can do side bends or sit-ups but please don’t lose that butt...

[Spud2nique]

Because he is not like Horford. The prospect who most reminds me of Horford is Mikal Bridges. Makes everyone better. Elite execution possession by possession and will get better with age. Same mentality, same meh iso skills. Same winning passion. Lacks weaknesses and is a + skill prospect. I love Mikal. I love love love Mikal

Carter reminds me of Brook Lopez mixed with Zach Randolph with athleticism like Kenyon Martin. Clearly not the peak of any of these players but like Martin, hes kinda stiff but excellent and running and jumping. Very good mover on offense. Brook with the way he uses his BBIQ and skill level and Z-Bo in how he does an elite job of using leverage and footwork for scoring and rebounding. I like him a ton like I like JJJ but i dont see more than a high level rotational piece in the long run. Not a star or elite player.

Slow your role playa...Mikal came to da party wit me...get ur own girl..or go grab MPJ from kg or Wendell from Jamal ...
Weeeze fitta go to dis party together long time comin you homewrecker...

Ok I can’t lie that got away from me a tad..

Clearly spud's been over-served. Somebody grab his keys.

Here's a dilemma for you guys that love Carter, Bridges and guys like that. I get they'd be good culture building block types, not necessarily franchise guys. IOW, once we get back to winning, they're guys you'd like to have. The problem is, that's probably not for another 2-3 years (if I'm being optimistic). By then, it's just about time to re-sign them. Can't over-pay. Probably shouldn't match a major rFA offer. What then?

I ain't tryna be another POR max'ng out guys like Miles Linnid and that other clown who's name escapes me. Next thing you know, we're capped out and crapped out on middling young(s) who really are only worth it when surrounded by plus vets.

Least we all grabbed a prospect and stuck with them and not just jumped on the Bamba wagon cuz we heard Frank Isola it Scal on NBA radio...

#ihatebamba #ilovebamba #icanbeswayed #ichangemymindlikeacrazybat



(Shots fired)...

[Jamaaliver]

Here's a dilemma for you guys that love Carter, Bridges and guys like that. I get they'd be good culture building block types, not necessarily franchise guys. IOW, once we get back to winning, they're guys you'd like to have. The problem is, that's probably not for another 2-3 years (if I'm being optimistic). By then, it's just about time to re-sign them. Can't over-pay. Probably shouldn't match a major rFA offer. What then?

I ain't tryna be another POR max'ng out guys like Miles Linnid and that other clown who's name escapes me. Next thing you know, we're capped out and crapped out on middling young(s) who really are only worth it when surrounded by plus vets.

A good question and an issue to monitor for the rebuild. You'd rather be extending R Covington to a nice fat contract at start of contention (like Philly), than overpaying Evan Fournier on a last place team (Like Orlando).



We just gotta plan on the rebuilding portion of this 'process' being complete before we have to commit big bucks...or be willing to ship out high producing players for assets before we have to overpay them.

(The way ORL should have done with Aaron Gordon).

[Jamaaliver]

With that said, if we could walk away from the draft with:

Wendell Carter
J Collins
Taurean Prince and
Lonnie Walker IV all on the roster...I'd be ecstatic.

Ecstatic? We win 24 games all season...go on a roller coaster tank ride for 9 months...are starving for a franchise player....and now you’d be ecstatic with getting two guys who won’t be stars and might have trouble cracking an nba starting lineup in the next 3 years?

I’d be flat out pissed if this is all we got.

[Spud2nique]

Because he is not like Horford. The prospect who most reminds me of Horford is Mikal Bridges. Makes everyone better. Elite execution possession by possession and will get better with age. Same mentality, same meh iso skills. Same winning passion. Lacks weaknesses and is a + skill prospect. I love Mikal. I love love love Mikal

Carter reminds me of Brook Lopez mixed with Zach Randolph with athleticism like Kenyon Martin. Clearly not the peak of any of these players but like Martin, hes kinda stiff but excellent and running and jumping. Very good mover on offense. Brook with the way he uses his BBIQ and skill level and Z-Bo in how he does an elite job of using leverage and footwork for scoring and rebounding. I like him a ton like I like JJJ but i dont see more than a high level rotational piece in the long run. Not a star or elite player.

Slow your role playa...Mikal came to da party wit me...get ur own girl..or go grab MPJ from kg or Wendell from Jamal ...
Weeeze fitta go to dis party together long time comin you homewrecker...

Ok I can’t lie that got away from me a tad..

Clearly spud's been over-served. Somebody grab his keys.

Here's a dilemma for you guys that love Carter, Bridges and guys like that. I get they'd be good culture building block types, not necessarily franchise guys. IOW, once we get back to winning, they're guys you'd like to have. The problem is, that's probably not for another 2-3 years (if I'm being optimistic). By then, it's just about time to re-sign them. Can't over-pay. Probably shouldn't match a major rFA offer. What then?

I ain't tryna be another POR max'ng out guys like Miles Linnid and that other clown who's name escapes me. Next thing you know, we're capped out and crapped out on middling young(s) who really are only worth it when surrounded by plus vets.

To address your concern I will say that I specially wanted Mikal with Bud, now that Bud’s gone I still want him but only if we add a second top 10 pick.

I actually think that Lloyd looooves Mikal being that he was an assistant coach in Philly, he got a first hand look at the perimeter defense of Mikal and started drooling.

I don’t think it matter if you have building block types of great foundational culture guys, it’s more about the time and length of the contract in which you sign them that matter.

Schlenk wants to add a group of players that he feels comfortable with right now as building blocks and in 3 years when we resign them. The key is drafting them together and having them grow together. They did the same in GS within a few drafts of each other. You get a couple of main guys(curry Klay) start a nice backcourt or frontcourt (Collins Bagley) and just build key complimentary parts around these guys. Specially if Bagley turns out to be a superstar as Ken promises.

[Spud2nique]

With that said, if we could walk away from the draft with:

Wendell Carter
J Collins
Taurean Prince and
Lonnie Walker IV all on the roster...I'd be ecstatic.

Ecstatic? We win 24 games all season...go on a roller coaster tank ride for 9 months...are starving for a franchise player....and now you’d be ecstatic with getting two guys who won’t be stars and might have trouble cracking an nba starting lineup in the next 3 years?

I’d be flat out pissed if this is all we got.

Not fair. You know I have a soft spot for animals and you’ll get a like for it. Even if they are bulgy eyed cats...

[King Ken]

Slow your role playa...Mikal came to da party wit me...get ur own girl..or go grab MPJ from kg or Wendell from Jamal ...
Weeeze fitta go to dis party together long time comin you homewrecker...

Ok I can’t lie that got away from me a tad..

Clearly spud's been over-served. Somebody grab his keys.

Here's a dilemma for you guys that love Carter, Bridges and guys like that. I get they'd be good culture building block types, not necessarily franchise guys. IOW, once we get back to winning, they're guys you'd like to have. The problem is, that's probably not for another 2-3 years (if I'm being optimistic). By then, it's just about time to re-sign them. Can't over-pay. Probably shouldn't match a major rFA offer. What then?

I ain't tryna be another POR max'ng out guys like Miles Linnid and that other clown who's name escapes me. Next thing you know, we're capped out and crapped out on middling young(s) who really are only worth it when surrounded by plus vets.

To address your concern I will say that I specially wanted Mikal with Bud, now that Bud’s gone I still want him but only if we add a second top 10 pick.

I actually think that Lloyd looooves Mikal being that he was an assistant coach in Philly, he got a first hand look at the perimeter defense of Mikal and started drooling.

I don’t think it matter if you have building block types of great foundational culture guys, it’s more about the time and length of the contract in which you sign them that matter.

Schlenk wants to add a group of players that he feels comfortable with right now as building blocks and in 3 years when we resign them. The key is drafting them together and having them grow together. They did the same in GS within a few drafts of each other. You get a couple of main guys(curry Klay) start a nice backcourt or frontcourt (Collins Bagley) and just build key complimentary parts around these guys. Specially if Bagley turns out to be a superstar as Ken promises.

Same. My ideal draft is Mikal at 9-11 to us and Bagley or Ayton at #3. I would prefer to move up to 14 without trading #19. Like Arthur/Faried/14 for cap space. I want to package 19 with 14 to move up and get Sexton or Mikal Bridges

[Spud2nique]

Ken are you sure JJJ is a bust? I’ve seen endless tape on him and I can’t come to a conclusion. In some plays he looks like Garnett getting a rebound or block with passion and the next he falls down due to no core strength like Marv the duck.

Bagley vs JJJ vs Bamba

Whose real and whose fake?

Ps Personally right this second before they battle against each other it ranks like this for me:

Bagley
Bamba
JJJ

Pps I swear though in some highlights JJJ looks like Garnett...damn I just hope we get it right..we are due. We’ve F’d things up for oh I’d say about 35 years...it’s time...

[Jamaaliver]

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It only gets hotter and sexier from here...pretty soon it’s Bagley vs Bamba vs JJJ and more....exciting time to be a Hawks fan!

[King Ken]

Ken are you sure JJJ is a bust? I’ve seen endless tape on him and I can’t come to a conclusion. In some plays he looks like Garnett getting a rebound or block with passion and the next he falls down due to no core strength like Marv the duck.

Bagley vs JJJ vs Bamba

Whose real and whose fake?

Ps Personally right this second before they battle against each other it ranks like this for me:

Bagley
Bamba
JJJ

Pps I swear though in some highlights JJJ looks like Garnett...damn I just hope we get it right..we are due. We’ve F’d things up for oh I’d say about 35 years...it’s time...

I am sure he is not going to be a bust. Just like i was sure with Marvin. That said, i am sure hes not going to be a star or superstar just like I was sure with Marvin that he wasn't going to be a star or superstar

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It only gets hotter and sexier from here...pretty soon it’s Bagley vs Bamba vs JJJ and more....exciting time to be a Hawks fan!

You know Bag doesn't want any of that smoke. I could honestly see Bamba and JJJ go at it, though the top guys really have the luxury to declining workouts.

[Jamaaliver]

What happens when Bagley and Porter go head to head for the title of best PF in the draft?

Is any defense played at all?

[Spud2nique]

What happens when Bagley and Porter go head to head for the title of best PF in the draft?

Is any defense played at all?

Porter will finess his way to points while Bagley tries to post him up and slam it in his face...I think it favors Porter but who knows.

Bamba vs Wendell! That’s what you’re waiting for I believe.

[kg01]

What happens when Bagley and Porter go head to head for the title of best PF in the draft?

Is any defense played at all?

Porter will finess his way to points while Bagley tries to post him up and slam it in his face...I think it favors Porter but who knows.

Bamba vs Wendell! That’s what you’re waiting for I believe.

Don't know bout Bamba but pretty sure Wendell's waiting for mommy's permission.

[D21]

I watched the NBEinstein breakdown of Bagley’s defense and hot damn that hurt my soul. Most, if not all, of his deficiencies look teachable though but still...painful to watch.

Right, and added the fact he only makes 62% of his FTs... I have some serious doubt on him

[Spud2nique]

I’m starting to think we are going to be good with either of Bagley, Bamba or Porter at #3. I would hope to stay away from JJJ. So in Hawks fashion, we probably take JJJ. Seriously


I don’t care how young or raw he is at this point. He projects to be the biggest bust to me. Initially I kept telling myself than him and Collins would make a nice frontcourt but I’d rather have any of the other three guys.

[Jamaaliver]

What happens when Bagley and Porter go head to head for the title of best PF in the draft?

Is any defense played at all?

Porter will finess his way to points while Bagley tries to post him up and slam it in his face...I think it favors Porter but who knows.

Bamba vs Wendell! That’s what you’re waiting for I believe.

1-on-1, I believe Bamba wins that matchup. He's just too long.
Wendell's advantage comes from his shooting, passing, screen-and-roll game -- most of which is negated in a head to head battle.

O do wonder how Robert Williams and Mitchell Robinson factor into the debate for bigs.

[Jamaaliver]

I need Luka Doncic to take some time off from playing basketball. 6-8 weeks of rest and relaxation. It's well earned at this point.

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