Why is Al Horford not considered one of the best players in the NBA by the common fan?

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Re: Why is Al Horford not considered one of the best players in the NBA by the common fan? 

Post#201 » by PistolPeteJR » Thu May 24, 2018 11:20 pm

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RGM_SU wrote:That's because people commonly associate "best" with top-5 to top-10 and Horford is neither.

I think Horford is a top 10 player. I don't think it's debatable either. I look at the overall impact. I don't just look at the scoreboard. I actually watch and understand Basketball and understand how players play and how you can be utilized said player.


Freaking hell...

When Tristan Thompson stops getting the best out of him night in, night out, MAYBE then we can talk. But if you can’t seriously list ten other players you’d rather build a team around in the league today, I don’t know what to tell you.
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Re: Why is Al Horford not considered one of the best players in the NBA by the common fan? 

Post#202 » by Curmudgeon » Fri May 25, 2018 1:01 am

What's a "common fan?"
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Re: Why is Al Horford not considered one of the best players in the NBA by the common fan? 

Post#203 » by King Ken » Fri May 25, 2018 1:31 am

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As a celtic fan, I gotta say, chill.

You are saying "Al is a top 10 player and I know this because I'm smarter than you all who disagree". It is worded politely, but your attitude about that is clear. Not a good look imo

I dont really care about others opinions on Horford. I value my opinion a lot more when the topic is him, LeBron or a couple other players. That is no disrespect to you but coming to me saying chill is meaningless to me. I don't know you and frankly, I dont care about others feelings like that. Never have. Never will if the topic is hoops and particular players who I know in and out on the court. I am willing to listen and hear you out if you have an opinion but if you judging me. I will politely ask you to fall back or just bounce.

I see the game differently. The only people who see the game like I do are some GMs like Ainge, coaches and scouts. Even Boston players dont realize how much easier Al makes the game for them.


We'll see how much you and Ainge see eye to eye when he is traded in a package for KAT this summer

That is a terrible hot take. KAT is much younger, why would anyone take someone over KAT in trade value outside of AD or Giannis. LeBron is the best player in the NBA and in a trade I value AD and Giannis over LeBron.
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Re: Why is Al Horford not considered one of the best players in the NBA by the common fan? 

Post#204 » by Prokorov » Fri May 25, 2018 1:34 am

Because he isnt one of the best player in the NBA. probably in the 25-30 range. i had him as #31 in the thread asking if he was a top 10 player and very few argued much with my list.
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Re: Why is Al Horford not considered one of the best players in the NBA by the common fan? 

Post#205 » by Prokorov » Fri May 25, 2018 1:35 am

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RGM_SU wrote:That's because people commonly associate "best" with top-5 to top-10 and Horford is neither.

I think Horford is a top 10 player. I don't think it's debatable either. I look at the overall impact. I don't just look at the scoreboard. I actually watch and understand Basketball and understand how players play and how you can be utilized said player.

I am not one of those fans who sees a player struggling and says, well he sucks. I look at his role, his personnel grouping, his ability to fit said scheme and his ability to adjust to said scheme. I see the ENTIRE game. Not just if he can pass, rebound, shoot, has the tools. I look at everything. So when you said Al Horford, I see something different. I don't know what you see, but if you don't see what I see, that's fine but I just want you to acknowledge what I see and understand the effect it has on Millsap, Noah, Kyrie, IT and other players he's played with in the past. The man literally single-handedly made Kyle Korver an All Star. Name one player in NBA history who could do that?


you are right. its not debateable. he is in no way shape or form a top 10 player
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Post#206 » by King Ken » Fri May 25, 2018 1:37 am

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RGM_SU wrote:That's because people commonly associate "best" with top-5 to top-10 and Horford is neither.

I think Horford is a top 10 player. I don't think it's debatable either. I look at the overall impact. I don't just look at the scoreboard. I actually watch and understand Basketball and understand how players play and how you can be utilized said player.

I am not one of those fans who sees a player struggling and says, well he sucks. I look at his role, his personnel grouping, his ability to fit said scheme and his ability to adjust to said scheme. I see the ENTIRE game. Not just if he can pass, rebound, shoot, has the tools. I look at everything. So when you said Al Horford, I see something different. I don't know what you see, but if you don't see what I see, that's fine but I just want you to acknowledge what I see and understand the effect it has on Millsap, Noah, Kyrie, IT and other players he's played with in the past. The man literally single-handedly made Kyle Korver an All Star. Name one player in NBA history who could do that?


you are right. its not debateable. he is in no way shape or form a top 10 player

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Post#207 » by 6ixgrod » Fri May 25, 2018 1:39 am

Depends entirely on what you consider to be best.

If you think 'best' means top 5, it's because he's not a top 5 player.

If you think best means 'Top 25' you have a case, and the reason he isn't recognized is because he isn't the flashiest player in a personality-driven league. Also, the absence of rings.
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Post#208 » by DowJones » Sat May 26, 2018 2:49 pm

For the ECF he is averaging 13 and 8 on 45% shooting. If you take away the 1st game where Tristan wasn't matched up with him he is averaging 12 and 9 on 38% shooting .

This is why he isn't an elite player. Horford is very good. He does everything well and he has no real weakness. He just does nothing great. He isn't a guy that can carry you. Any talk that he is a top-15 or even 20 player should stop. I don't even think he is a top-25 player.
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Post#209 » by Jaqua92 » Sat May 26, 2018 3:00 pm

King Ken wrote:
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King Ken wrote:I think Horford is a top 10 player. I don't think it's debatable either. I look at the overall impact. I don't just look at the scoreboard. I actually watch and understand Basketball and understand how players play and how you can be utilized said player.

I am not one of those fans who sees a player struggling and says, well he sucks. I look at his role, his personnel grouping, his ability to fit said scheme and his ability to adjust to said scheme. I see the ENTIRE game. Not just if he can pass, rebound, shoot, has the tools. I look at everything. So when you said Al Horford, I see something different. I don't know what you see, but if you don't see what I see, that's fine but I just want you to acknowledge what I see and understand the effect it has on Millsap, Noah, Kyrie, IT and other players he's played with in the past. The man literally single-handedly made Kyle Korver an All Star. Name one player in NBA history who could do that?


As a celtic fan, I gotta say, chill.

You are saying "Al is a top 10 player and I know this because I'm smarter than you all who disagree". It is worded politely, but your attitude about that is clear. Not a good look imo

I dont really care about others opinions on Horford. I value my opinion a lot more when the topic is him, LeBron or a couple other players. That is no disrespect to you but coming to me saying chill is meaningless to me. I don't know you and frankly, I dont care about others feelings like that. Never have. Never will if the topic is hoops and particular players who I know in and out on the court. I am willing to listen and hear you out if you have an opinion but if you judging me. I will politely ask you to fall back or just bounce.

I see the game differently. The only people who see the game like I do are some GMs like Ainge, coaches and scouts. Even Boston players dont realize how much easier Al makes the game for them.


I appreciate the politeness, but you have missed the essence of my post. I'm not judging you, nor am I disagreeing with you. I'm judging your behavior; rather, bringing light to how you are expressing this opinion. My post isnt about disagreeing with you, nor is it about Al.

You have every right to your opinion, it may be correct. But the way you chose to express it comes off as arrogant, as a know-it-all, superior, and indirectly tells us you feel you are smarter than those who disagree...atleast about basketball, whether it's deliberate or not. You can express your opinion and validate it just as without that general approach. You are well spoken, and very polite and I can respect that very much.

But If your goal is to prove to us and educate us why Al is THAT impactful (which I assume you are, given the thread, and I'm willing to listen, he's on my team! :]), this kind of passive agression interferes with rationale discussion and leads to communication breakdown. More people would be willing to hear you out and be educated otherwise. I meant no offense
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Re: Why is Al Horford not considered one of the best players in the NBA by the common fan? 

Post#210 » by Pantsman » Sat May 26, 2018 3:54 pm

If hes top 20 then Tristan Thompson is top 19.
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Post#211 » by Yoshun » Sat May 26, 2018 3:59 pm

He's a very good player, very impactful, anyone would love to have him, he's not top 10.
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Post#212 » by lambchop » Sat May 26, 2018 4:03 pm

He's very good and could any team in the league. He's just not a guy who comes up big when his team needs him most. But then again who is?
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Post#213 » by JonFromVA » Sat May 26, 2018 4:07 pm

Pantsman wrote:If hes top 20 then Tristan Thompson is top 19.


Some weeks he is ... other weeks, more like top 99.

A lot of NBA basketball is exploiting matchups & gameplans. When that no longer works, a team/player looks very different.
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Post#214 » by ronnymac2 » Sat May 26, 2018 4:13 pm

Very good player, somebody I would want on my team, but the guy is the most overrated player of the 2018 playoffs.
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Post#215 » by Tai » Sat May 26, 2018 4:22 pm

I wonder where OP sees Kyrie or Hayward, then...
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Post#216 » by Pantsman » Sat May 26, 2018 5:15 pm

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Post#217 » by Collymore » Sat May 26, 2018 5:25 pm

Al Horford exposed in the playoffs - part 5. We've seen this movie plenty of times.
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Post#218 » by Sgt P » Sat May 26, 2018 6:09 pm

because he is a good role player.. borderline AS. nothing more
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Post#219 » by MrBigShot » Sat May 26, 2018 6:21 pm

Because he's not one of the best players
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Post#220 » by ccvle » Sat May 26, 2018 6:27 pm

Intangibles are nice, but at the end of the day you need to outscore the other team or out rebound the other team to win. Someone needs to score. If al Horford is only scoring 7 points then someone else is going to have to make up for that. Someone is going to have to make up for horford weak rebounding.

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