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2018 NBA Draft pt 2 - NOW WITH A POLL

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Who Do You Want at #17 - Pick 3

Troy Brown Jr
11
3%
Zhaire Smith
79
24%
Kevin Huerter
46
14%
Donte DivVincenzo
43
13%
Elie Okobo
43
13%
Chandler Hutchinson
10
3%
De'Anthony Melton
22
7%
Jarred Vanderbilt
11
3%
Khyri Thomas
49
15%
Josh Okogie
15
5%
 
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Post#141 » by drone3 » Mon Jun 4, 2018 5:32 am

I went Okobo, PG that can shoot is what we need, I leave it up to Bud to teach him plays and D.

Melton is runner up as he would be a menace on D in addition to having a high IQ, it's just the questionable shooting that we can't really afford to risk right now.
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Post#142 » by Badgerlander » Mon Jun 4, 2018 7:39 am

drone3 wrote:I went Okobo, PG that can shoot is what we need, I leave it up to Bud to teach him plays and D.

Melton is runner up as he would be a menace on D in addition to having a high IQ, it's just the questionable shooting that we can't really afford to risk right now.


A guard that can shoot 3s off the dribble would certainly be nice to have. Tough to gauge Okobo on his film, he looks quicker with the ball as the season goes on but most of the defense he plays against is terrible so its tough to get a feel for what he will be able to do against nba defenses. He makes some good decisions with the ball.

As far as Melton, I'm more concerned with shot creation for others than his own shooting. His defense I think would make a world of difference. Just imagine actual defense on Rozier instead of Bledsoe on ice skates, and I'd much rather have Melton's smart passing than watching Bledsoe pound the air out of the ball on offense. Teague and Schroder aren't great shooters and Bud found a way to make it work for the most part.

It will be very interesting to see how Bud handles the PG position. I cant imagine he will want to go forward with Bledsoe after trying to push Teague out the door in Atlanta. If we do draft a guard I bet Bud tries to bring him along quickly like he did with Schroder, but Schroder was a decent defender to begin with.
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Post#143 » by drone3 » Mon Jun 4, 2018 9:17 am

Did Bud draft Shroeder?
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Post#144 » by Badgerlander » Mon Jun 4, 2018 10:32 am

drone3 wrote:Did Bud draft Shroeder?



Schroder was drafted the summer that Bud was hired as coach 2013, he was given PBO in 2015
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Post#145 » by Douggystyle29 » Mon Jun 4, 2018 2:49 pm

emunney wrote:Oladipo was a *ridiculous* athlete at Indiana. Thomas is a fine athlete but he's not half the athlete Oladipo was at his lowest point. This is similar to comparing Westbrook's athleticism to Wade Baldwin's.

I totally agree.
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Post#146 » by Douggystyle29 » Mon Jun 4, 2018 2:56 pm

Plossum wrote:Smith is an impressive athlete. Reminds me of Lavine.

Same. That is always the comparison I think of. Lavine is the better shooter and Smith is a much better defender. Smith's shot does not look that bad to me though so I like him even better than Lavine as a prospect and I am a huge Lavine fan.
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Post#147 » by msiris » Mon Jun 4, 2018 3:17 pm

Need shooters and rebounders
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Post#148 » by M-C-G » Mon Jun 4, 2018 3:19 pm

It doesn't have to be at 17, but just get me Jalen Brunson

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Post#149 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Jun 4, 2018 3:45 pm

msiris wrote:Need shooters and rebounders
I'm against picketing but I don't know how to show it.
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Post#150 » by Gam » Mon Jun 4, 2018 4:32 pm

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msiris wrote:Need shooters and rebounders

That's why I'm slowly talking myself intro Jarred Vanderbilt, if he's healthy he's potentially a Dennis Rodman-esque rebounder and defender who can also pass and run the fast break.
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Post#151 » by RealBucksFan » Mon Jun 4, 2018 4:45 pm

Badgerlander wrote:
drone3 wrote:I went Okobo, PG that can shoot is what we need, I leave it up to Bud to teach him plays and D.

Melton is runner up as he would be a menace on D in addition to having a high IQ, it's just the questionable shooting that we can't really afford to risk right now.


A guard that can shoot 3s off the dribble would certainly be nice to have. Tough to gauge Okobo on his film, he looks quicker with the ball as the season goes on but most of the defense he plays against is terrible so its tough to get a feel for what he will be able to do against nba defenses. He makes some good decisions with the ball.

As far as Melton, I'm more concerned with shot creation for others than his own shooting. His defense I think would make a world of difference. Just imagine actual defense on Rozier instead of Bledsoe on ice skates, and I'd much rather have Melton's smart passing than watching Bledsoe pound the air out of the ball on offense. Teague and Schroder aren't great shooters and Bud found a way to make it work for the most part.

It will be very interesting to see how Bud handles the PG position. I cant imagine he will want to go forward with Bledsoe after trying to push Teague out the door in Atlanta. If we do draft a guard I bet Bud tries to bring him along quickly like he did with Schroder, but Schroder was a decent defender to begin with.


My worry with Okobo is that he only goes left. Not the world's largest flaw, but it means he can't run a lot of that PnR action to get Giannis the ball on the left side, as that entails only going right. If he was a right handed player, I'd much prefer him, but being lefty is a disadvantage, since it leaves him out of sync with the rest of the team.

But he still might be my favorite prospect likely to be there at 17, a guy with decent physical attributes that can shoot and pass of dribble would be very valuable.

And, yeah, on ball defense matters. Bledsoe is the only Buck that is good at on ball defense and that is a big reason he helped the team this season despite being a trash defender off the ball.
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Post#152 » by M-C-G » Mon Jun 4, 2018 4:47 pm

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msiris wrote:Need shooters and rebounders

That's why I'm slowly talking myself intro Jarred Vanderbilt, if he's healthy he's potentially a Dennis Rodman-esque rebounder and defender who can also pass and run the fast break.


Looks like Larry Sanders on offense. If you want this type of player, you could probably get him from OKL in Roberson. I just don't see how either are playable with Giannis on the court unless we draft a real PG.


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Post#153 » by M-C-G » Mon Jun 4, 2018 4:48 pm

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msiris wrote:Need shooters and rebounders


I think simply changing our scheme to CARE about rebounding as a team will probably go a long way. So I am less interested in drafting that, with our length that should be correctable with what we have, to at least be an average rebounding team.
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Post#154 » by RealBucksFan » Mon Jun 4, 2018 4:50 pm

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Gam wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:

That's why I'm slowly talking myself intro Jarred Vanderbilt, if he's healthy he's potentially a Dennis Rodman-esque rebounder and defender who can also pass and run the fast break.


Looks like Larry Sanders on offense. If you want this type of player, you could probably get him from OKL in Roberson. I just don't see how either are playable with Giannis on the court unless we draft a real PG.




A real PG makes it even harder to have a limited center. If you run a PG centric offense, that turns Giannis into the cutter/garbage man on offense do to Giannis being trash at playing next to a PG, so then you need to have three shooters next to Giannis and the PG.

I like Bledsoe more than many Bucks fans do, but he is useless if Bucks can't find a shooter to play at C next to Giannis.
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Post#155 » by Badgerlander » Mon Jun 4, 2018 4:52 pm

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Badgerlander wrote:
drone3 wrote:I went Okobo, PG that can shoot is what we need, I leave it up to Bud to teach him plays and D.

Melton is runner up as he would be a menace on D in addition to having a high IQ, it's just the questionable shooting that we can't really afford to risk right now.


A guard that can shoot 3s off the dribble would certainly be nice to have. Tough to gauge Okobo on his film, he looks quicker with the ball as the season goes on but most of the defense he plays against is terrible so its tough to get a feel for what he will be able to do against nba defenses. He makes some good decisions with the ball.

As far as Melton, I'm more concerned with shot creation for others than his own shooting. His defense I think would make a world of difference. Just imagine actual defense on Rozier instead of Bledsoe on ice skates, and I'd much rather have Melton's smart passing than watching Bledsoe pound the air out of the ball on offense. Teague and Schroder aren't great shooters and Bud found a way to make it work for the most part.

It will be very interesting to see how Bud handles the PG position. I cant imagine he will want to go forward with Bledsoe after trying to push Teague out the door in Atlanta. If we do draft a guard I bet Bud tries to bring him along quickly like he did with Schroder, but Schroder was a decent defender to begin with.


My worry with Okobo is that he only goes left. Not the world's largest flaw, but it means he can't run a lot of that PnR action to get Giannis the ball on the left side, as that entails only going right. If he was a right handed player, I'd much prefer him, but being lefty is a disadvantage, since it leaves him out of sync with the rest of the team.

But he still might be my favorite prospect likely to be there at 17, a guy with decent physical attributes that can shoot and pass of dribble would be very valuable.

And, yeah, on ball defense matters. Bledsoe is the only Buck that is good at on ball defense and that is a big reason he helped the team this season despite being a trash defender off the ball.


Bledsoe was exposed in the playoffs because he couldn’t move laterally to stay in front of Rozier. Any crossover got him an open 3 and all Bledsoe could do is stand and watch.
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Post#156 » by RealBucksFan » Mon Jun 4, 2018 4:55 pm

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A guard that can shoot 3s off the dribble would certainly be nice to have. Tough to gauge Okobo on his film, he looks quicker with the ball as the season goes on but most of the defense he plays against is terrible so its tough to get a feel for what he will be able to do against nba defenses. He makes some good decisions with the ball.

As far as Melton, I'm more concerned with shot creation for others than his own shooting. His defense I think would make a world of difference. Just imagine actual defense on Rozier instead of Bledsoe on ice skates, and I'd much rather have Melton's smart passing than watching Bledsoe pound the air out of the ball on offense. Teague and Schroder aren't great shooters and Bud found a way to make it work for the most part.

It will be very interesting to see how Bud handles the PG position. I cant imagine he will want to go forward with Bledsoe after trying to push Teague out the door in Atlanta. If we do draft a guard I bet Bud tries to bring him along quickly like he did with Schroder, but Schroder was a decent defender to begin with.


My worry with Okobo is that he only goes left. Not the world's largest flaw, but it means he can't run a lot of that PnR action to get Giannis the ball on the left side, as that entails only going right. If he was a right handed player, I'd much prefer him, but being lefty is a disadvantage, since it leaves him out of sync with the rest of the team.

But he still might be my favorite prospect likely to be there at 17, a guy with decent physical attributes that can shoot and pass of dribble would be very valuable.

And, yeah, on ball defense matters. Bledsoe is the only Buck that is good at on ball defense and that is a big reason he helped the team this season despite being a trash defender off the ball.


Bledsoe was exposed in the playoffs because he couldn’t move laterally to stay in front of Rozier. Any crossover got him an open 3 and all Bledsoe could do is stand and watch.


Bledsoe is still so much better laterally than any other player. Most PGs are slower laterally than Bledsoe.

How many times did Rozier hit Bledsoe with a crossover like that? Once, when Bledsoe tried to defend the pass and got too far from Rozier.

One of the reasons Bucks struggled early is that Brogdon is a terrible defender of PGs, couldn't contain penetration. Snell, Giannis, Middleton, and Jabari are all also trash at containing dribble penetration.

Bledsoe is literally the most difficult Buck to cross up. He stays with guys one on one. His defense was bad in postseason, but lacking quickness was not why.
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Post#157 » by LuessiT » Mon Jun 4, 2018 5:05 pm

RealBucksFan wrote:
Badgerlander wrote:
drone3 wrote:I went Okobo, PG that can shoot is what we need, I leave it up to Bud to teach him plays and D.

Melton is runner up as he would be a menace on D in addition to having a high IQ, it's just the questionable shooting that we can't really afford to risk right now.


A guard that can shoot 3s off the dribble would certainly be nice to have. Tough to gauge Okobo on his film, he looks quicker with the ball as the season goes on but most of the defense he plays against is terrible so its tough to get a feel for what he will be able to do against nba defenses. He makes some good decisions with the ball.

As far as Melton, I'm more concerned with shot creation for others than his own shooting. His defense I think would make a world of difference. Just imagine actual defense on Rozier instead of Bledsoe on ice skates, and I'd much rather have Melton's smart passing than watching Bledsoe pound the air out of the ball on offense. Teague and Schroder aren't great shooters and Bud found a way to make it work for the most part.

It will be very interesting to see how Bud handles the PG position. I cant imagine he will want to go forward with Bledsoe after trying to push Teague out the door in Atlanta. If we do draft a guard I bet Bud tries to bring him along quickly like he did with Schroder, but Schroder was a decent defender to begin with.


My worry with Okobo is that he only goes left. Not the world's largest flaw, but it means he can't run a lot of that PnR action to get Giannis the ball on the left side, as that entails only going right. If he was a right handed player, I'd much prefer him, but being lefty is a disadvantage, since it leaves him out of sync with the rest of the team.

But he still might be my favorite prospect likely to be there at 17, a guy with decent physical attributes that can shoot and pass of dribble would be very valuable.

And, yeah, on ball defense matters. Bledsoe is the only Buck that is good at on ball defense and that is a big reason he helped the team this season despite being a trash defender off the ball.


I've watched a lot of film an Okobo and I'll show you that this is a non-issue when I get home. He's been going right plenty of times as the season went on with decent success. Can finish with his right too though finishing isn't his strong suit.

I'll be honest I have Okobo at 7 right now and as the first guard off the board. I'd be ecstatic if the Bucks were to draft him.
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Post#158 » by Badgerlander » Mon Jun 4, 2018 5:07 pm

M-C-G wrote:
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MickeyDavis wrote:

That's why I'm slowly talking myself intro Jarred Vanderbilt, if he's healthy he's potentially a Dennis Rodman-esque rebounder and defender who can also pass and run the fast break.


Looks like Larry Sanders on offense. If you want this type of player, you could probably get him from OKL in Roberson. I just don't see how either are playable with Giannis on the court unless we draft a real PG.

We play Henson next to Giannis and it seems to work out
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Post#159 » by LuessiT » Mon Jun 4, 2018 5:08 pm

Still interested where Malik Newman ends up getting drafted. Imo he's going to be a very good pro and a steal if he lasts till the mid second round.
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Post#160 » by M-C-G » Mon Jun 4, 2018 5:14 pm

Badgerlander wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
Gam wrote:That's why I'm slowly talking myself intro Jarred Vanderbilt, if he's healthy he's potentially a Dennis Rodman-esque rebounder and defender who can also pass and run the fast break.


Looks like Larry Sanders on offense. If you want this type of player, you could probably get him from OKL in Roberson. I just don't see how either are playable with Giannis on the court unless we draft a real PG.

We play Henson next to Giannis and it seems to work out


Is this guy a center? I thought he was a SF?

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