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Post#1901 » by Bernman » Thu Jun 7, 2018 4:37 pm

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qm22 wrote: The only way it is going to work well for most is to have the fighters be closer to their normal size, regardless of morning or not.


Yes, the badly need something like the NCAA wrestling system. But there's no one in charge of the sport enough to do that.


I think it's never going to happen because there would be too many cancellations. The best remedy for that is docking a proportional amount from both their show and win bonuses.

I like the voluntary morning weigh in -> ceremonial one later which you're exempt from if you made the first one -> 10% lost from take home pay for each lb over up to 6, and above the fight is automatically cancelled. Nothing is ever going to be perfect, but I think that would make positive changes.
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Post#1902 » by Bernman » Thu Jun 7, 2018 4:44 pm

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Bernman wrote:Yair bowed down and kissed the ring. That's all they wanted. Now the next guy will fall in line.


Does that mean his contract demands were part of a compromise or he did it entirely the UFC's way?

I'm not sure it paints the UFC as powerful because it was seen Yair was fine, getting plenty of offers apparently, and the UFC didn't follow through. It will seem that even if they fire you publicly it's still just a negotiating tactic, and their words aren't serious altogether. The whole thing looks like Dana had a temper tantrum, considering the "real news" tweet and then flip-flopping. Hard to see that as good for him.

On a side-note I wonder if fighters would ever sue Dana/UFC for defamation or they waived that. The way Dana throws them under the bus and tries to attack them hurts their value, I'd think if they are independent contractors that is grounds for a lawsuit. I'm not lawsuit-happy at all but I am kind of curious why it doesn't happen in a case where Dana says something, if a lie, which hurts a contractor's value.


Going by the disclosures of Luke Thomas and Ariel Helwani, Yair got dick. He capitulated to the UFC and took the match-up they wanted with no increase in pay. So it sets the precedent to accept their decisions or they may release you and you may well not like what is being offered from a competitive and monetary potential perspective. Bellator and One can offer more security. But you'll have less visibility, accomplishment, and potential for life-changing pay because of no bonus system and ppv points. A guy like Yair probably see value in those things, as he had already won 4 50k bonuses, and has the potential to be in a co-main event ppv slot at least.
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Post#1903 » by cowboyronnie » Thu Jun 7, 2018 4:55 pm

qm22 wrote: The only way it is going to work well for most is to have the fighters be closer to their normal size, regardless of morning or not.


People have objected to it when ONE, etc. have tried to use hydration tests and preliminary weigh-ins during training camp. But it's the only way, I agree. Punishment is just not going to convince all individuals from a population of **** cage fighters to take no chances and prepare a super safe strategy for their weight cut at like 12 weeks out (in the chance of injury, etc). If the punishments get too severe, people are simply going to get hurt.
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Post#1904 » by Jasen777 » Thu Jun 7, 2018 5:52 pm

Bernman wrote:I think it's never going to happen because there would be too many cancellations. The best remedy for that is docking a proportional amount from both their show and win bonuses.

I like the voluntary morning weigh in -> ceremonial one later which you're exempt from if you made the first one -> 10% lost from take home pay for each lb over up to 6, and above the fight is automatically cancelled. Nothing is ever going to be perfect, but I think that would make positive changes.


The NCAA wrestling system can't happen because the organization structure isn't there, but I don't see how it would cause alot of cancellations (maybe after some adjustments), it's to the point now where 5 pounds is considered a large cut for a wrestler. It'd be better for fighter health (and they'd still be fighting guys their size), better for promotions (much less weigh in hassle, no chance of bad publicity from someone dying - which will probably happen if something major isn't done), better for fans as fights should be more energetic without big cuts, literally better for everyone...

As for things that could happen I'm very much for the penalty applying to the win bonus, as well as any other bonus. Not sure about the escalating penalty - but definitely for some sort of automatic cut-off. But I don't think that it really solves the underlying issue, for me it's not just fighters missing weight (such rules might help with the few fighters who miss weight because there's no real consequence for doing so), but all the fighters who cut too much weight even if they never miss. For instance, RDA never missed weight but he nearly killed himself doing so and it very much hurt his performance in his last two LW fights, but now he's in a weight class where he might have to fight someone significantly larger.
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Post#1905 » by Bernman » Thu Jun 7, 2018 10:32 pm

PFL has Joe Martinez as the in-ring announcer and Yves Edwards as one of the commentators. They aren't even trying to hide their relationship with the UFC. These are tourneys to not only make a million dollars but get call-ups to the UFC while trying to keep fighters away from their competition. It's a stealth LFA/DWTNCS with more proven fighters.

Event started btw. Barroso defeats Gallemore by tko (cut). https://www.facebook.com/PFLmmaLive/videos/2047971245230389/
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Post#1906 » by REDDzone » Thu Jun 7, 2018 10:47 pm

Lol @ Shawn Jordan. You know you're a fat f*ck when you badly miss weight for a heavyweight fight. Especially when you're sub 6 feet tall.
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Post#1907 » by Jasen777 » Thu Jun 7, 2018 11:00 pm

Bernman wrote:PFL has Joe Martinez as the in-ring announcer and Yves Edwards as one of the commentators. They aren't even trying to hide their relationship with the UFC. These are tourneys to not only make a million dollars but get call-ups to the UFC while trying to keep fighters away from their competition. It's a stealth LFA/DWTNCS with more proven fighters.


Or one might say, a rebranded WSOF.
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Post#1908 » by Bernman » Thu Jun 7, 2018 11:03 pm

Yeah, that's what I thought. He's stubby to boot. No exactly Andre the Giant. Dude is a former football player too. Have some pride that you can get down to 266. Doubt he was a 290 lb fullback. Just addicted to cheez-ums.

Great comeback there by Siler. Looked like he had little chance against the indestructible Russian, Isidrov. He was getting lit up on the feet and looked like the ref could have stopped it earlier. But we saw why Isidrov didn't want to go to the ground. Siler missed the td but forced a scramble and tied up Isidrov with that nasty triangle he has. Didn't let him out of the well. Most fighters tap much quicker from triangles than other chokes because they're homophobes.
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Post#1909 » by Bernman » Thu Jun 7, 2018 11:05 pm

Jasen777 wrote:
Bernman wrote:PFL has Joe Martinez as the in-ring announcer and Yves Edwards as one of the commentators. They aren't even trying to hide their relationship with the UFC. These are tourneys to not only make a million dollars but get call-ups to the UFC while trying to keep fighters away from their competition. It's a stealth LFA/DWTNCS with more proven fighters.


Or one might say, a rebranded WSOF.


and WSOF was the stalking horse for Bellator/a stealth feeder for the UFC. So the function just carried over just with a different execution. Whatever I say, because I'm not a fan of what Bellator is doing right now, and I like this format so far from PFL. It's just that let's not pretend it's anything different than it is.
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Post#1910 » by Bernman » Thu Jun 7, 2018 11:07 pm

REDDzone wrote:Lol @ Shawn Jordan. You know you're a fat f*ck when you badly miss weight for a heavyweight fight. Especially when you're sub 6 feet tall.


Speaking of missing weight, Kelvin Tiller's fight is next. He was the poster child. Would miss 185 lbs by like 10 lbs per fight. Had like 8 fights cancelled. Now he's fighting at HW and he barely came in under the limit.
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Post#1911 » by REDDzone » Thu Jun 7, 2018 11:08 pm

Bernman wrote: Most fighters tap much quicker from triangles than other chokes because they're homophobes.


Lol most fighters are Republicans so they don't train triangle chokes.

Well, it's either that, or because human legs are much stronger than human arms, one of the two. :lol:
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Post#1912 » by Bernman » Thu Jun 7, 2018 11:13 pm

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Bernman wrote: Most fighters tap much quicker from triangles than other chokes because they're homophobes.


Lol most fighters are Republicans so they don't train triangle chokes.

Well, it's either that, or because human legs are much stronger than human arms, one of the two. :lol:


That was another way Chael was being authentic because he didn't have a clue how to defend triangles.
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Post#1913 » by Bernman » Thu Jun 7, 2018 11:14 pm

What a slip and rip ko by Tiller. Like Rumble, we may eventually ask why he was even trying to fight at much lower weights. He was just wasting his career with no benefit trying to make weight and just be the much bigger guy.
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Post#1914 » by Bernman » Fri Jun 8, 2018 2:56 am

Harrison very well-rounded but doesn't do anything sharp or creative enough to finish very often. Still 18-0. One of the better fw's in the world at least.

Didn't agree with the Coga-Valiev decision. Valiev sticky, but did nothing on top but keep position, temporarily. When they got separation he was competitive but Coga was controlling w/ his jab and hurting him with his power shots off that.

Don't know wtf Heun was doing ducking into that flying knee by Nicholson. It was telegraphed. He ran at him with his arms waving.
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Post#1915 » by REDDzone » Fri Jun 8, 2018 8:17 pm

I read this on reddit so take with a grain of salt but apparently Kamaru Usman and Ali Abdel Aziz got into a fight in the crowd at the PFL event because they confronted a dude for kneeling for the national anthem (is this f*cking real life?).

I saw a vid of the fight so I know that's real LOL, the grain of salt part is the reason it happened lol.
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Post#1916 » by Bernman » Fri Jun 8, 2018 8:44 pm

Ali is a cretin. The national anthem at sporting events is rooted in war propaganda. He's from Egypt and doesn't give a crap about blind American patriotism. I imagine with all his shady business dealings he's a profiteer off the war efforts.

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Post#1917 » by REDDzone » Fri Jun 8, 2018 8:46 pm

Bernman wrote:Between his size and failed career, Abdel-sleaze doesn't want to be stepping to Usman. That would be a rare finish for Kamaru.

Ali is a cretin. The national anthem at sporting events is rooted in war propaganda. He's from Egypt and doesn't give a crap about blind American patriotism. I imagine with all his shady business dealings he's a profiteer off the war efforts.

Usman, from Nigeria, was apparently just trying to break up the fight, and Ali turned on him, out of machismo and maybe unawareness.


What? Pretty sure they were on the same side, fighting random guys in the crowd. Ali is Usmans manager. Unless I'm completely misreading this situation which I don't think I am.
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Post#1918 » by Bernman » Fri Jun 8, 2018 8:59 pm

REDDzone wrote:What? Pretty sure they were on the same side, fighting random guys in the crowd. Ali is Usmans manager. Unless I'm completely misreading this situation which I don't think I am.


You're probably correct about that part. Makes more sense. The videos I saw were grainy from camera phones and the caption was those two got in a fight.

But I think you're burying the lead, at least from my perspective. The more important part was that Ali started a fight with a national anthem protester when he's not from the country, has a criminal past, and a bunch of shady ties to terrorists and warlords.

https://www.bjjee.com/articles/vinny-magalhaes-defends-sketchy-manager-ali-abdelaziz-court-records-uncover-serious-criminal-past/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/82nh3k/journalist_uncovers_ali_abdelazizs_criminal/
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Post#1919 » by REDDzone » Fri Jun 8, 2018 9:06 pm

Isn't that exactly what my first post stated (granted with a disclaimer)? Lol.
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Post#1920 » by Bernman » Fri Jun 8, 2018 9:08 pm

REDDzone wrote:Isn't that exactly what my first post stated (granted with a disclaimer)? Lol.


I mean the act, in conjunction w/ his criminal and business background. So I'm adding necessary context to make more sense of it. You expressed initial confusion as to why he'd do it.

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