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Re: Wizards sign Jodie Meeks: 2-yr $7M 

Post#101 » by Meliorus » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:39 am

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payitforward wrote:Just as there were last year, there have been some odd contracts offered/signed this year. I wouldn't want Snell at that price.

That said, you might take a look at Tony Snell's numbers last year: it was a breakout year for him. Watching him at the beginning of his career, I thought he had no chance; but in fact he's become a good player.

But even so, "we coulda done worse" is not a way to build a team. If you don't get early-career bargains like McCaw it is very difficult to become really good (unless of course, LeBron or someone like him decides he wants to play on your team).

To take another example, I imagine you may remember my jumping up and down about the undrafted Alan Williams 2 years ago. He has become a terrific player, as I thought he might; just signed for 3 years/$17m with the Suns. They got a tremendous bargain.

I'm not denigrating Jodie Meeks: not only "we coulda done worse" but we have done worse -- way worse! -- many times!

I'm guessing Snell and Delavadova (Snelly and Delly) was the least productive backcourt in the NBA. Now, they're getting paid a combined 20 plus mil per year.

Dellavedova was horrible. But Snell wasn't bad at all. Are you sure you've actually looked at his numbers? He shot over 40% on 3s, had a 60.1% TS%, basically never turns it over, doesn't foul much. Give the guy a little credit for pulling his game together!

That is a lot of $$ for the pair of them though! Then again, their real PG was the roY R2 pick Malcolm Brogden -- he's under contract for the next 3 years for a total of $4.8m. A little better deal, that!


Loved Tony Snell. Not only is he a good shooter and non-turnover prone (*cough Bojan), he can really defend the opponent's best guard.
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Re: Wizards sign Jodie Meeks: 2-yr $7M 

Post#102 » by Ruzious » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:38 am

payitforward wrote:
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payitforward wrote:Just as there were last year, there have been some odd contracts offered/signed this year. I wouldn't want Snell at that price.

That said, you might take a look at Tony Snell's numbers last year: it was a breakout year for him. Watching him at the beginning of his career, I thought he had no chance; but in fact he's become a good player.

But even so, "we coulda done worse" is not a way to build a team. If you don't get early-career bargains like McCaw it is very difficult to become really good (unless of course, LeBron or someone like him decides he wants to play on your team).

To take another example, I imagine you may remember my jumping up and down about the undrafted Alan Williams 2 years ago. He has become a terrific player, as I thought he might; just signed for 3 years/$17m with the Suns. They got a tremendous bargain.

I'm not denigrating Jodie Meeks: not only "we coulda done worse" but we have done worse -- way worse! -- many times!

I'm guessing Snell and Delavadova (Snelly and Delly) was the least productive backcourt in the NBA. Now, they're getting paid a combined 20 plus mil per year.

Dellavedova was horrible. But Snell wasn't bad at all. Are you sure you've actually looked at his numbers? He shot over 40% on 3s, had a 60.1% TS%, basically never turns it over, doesn't foul much. Give the guy a little credit for pulling his game together!

That is a lot of $$ for the pair of them though! Then again, their real PG was the roY R2 pick Malcolm Brogden -- he's under contract for the next 3 years for a total of $4.8m. A little better deal, that!

Yes, Brogdon was a great pick. When I'm talking production, I'm not talking efficiency and shooting percentages; I'm talking about... production. How much do they score, assist, steal, rebound, etc. Yes, Snell had good shooting percentages for the first time in his career, but his production was still very low.
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Re: Wizards sign Jodie Meeks: 2-yr $7M 

Post#103 » by Ruzious » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:43 am

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Ruzious wrote:I'm guessing Snell and Delavadova (Snelly and Delly) was the least productive backcourt in the NBA. Now, they're getting paid a combined 20 plus mil per year.

Dellavedova was horrible. But Snell wasn't bad at all. Are you sure you've actually looked at his numbers? He shot over 40% on 3s, had a 60.1% TS%, basically never turns it over, doesn't foul much. Give the guy a little credit for pulling his game together!

That is a lot of $$ for the pair of them though! Then again, their real PG was the roY R2 pick Malcolm Brogden -- he's under contract for the next 3 years for a total of $4.8m. A little better deal, that!


Loved Tony Snell. Not only is he a good shooter and non-turnover prone (*cough Bojan), he can really defend the opponent's best guard.

I was not impressed with his defense last season. What he has going for him defensively is the versatility to defend 1's through 3's, but I thought he was average in doing so. As for not turning the ball over, he does so little with the ball that he'd have to be amazingly sloppy with the ball to have a lot of to's. He may be the least creative guard with the ball in the NBA.
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Re: Wizards sign Jodie Meeks: 2-yr $7M 

Post#104 » by payitforward » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:16 pm

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payitforward wrote:Dellavedova was horrible. But Snell wasn't bad at all. Are you sure you've actually looked at his numbers? He shot over 40% on 3s, had a 60.1% TS%, basically never turns it over, doesn't foul much. Give the guy a little credit for pulling his game together!...

...When I'm talking production, I'm not talking efficiency and shooting percentages; I'm talking about... production. How much do they score, assist, steal, rebound, etc. Yes, Snell had good shooting percentages for the first time in his career, but his production was still very low.

Well, we can let poor Tony Snell get up off the hot seat, but, no, I don't think you are talking about pure quantity ("how much") when you discuss production.

E.g. you wouldn't compare "assist, steal, rebound..." numbers that way between 2 guys if one played 15 minutes/game & the other 33 minutes/game. Similarly, 2 guys who both scored 15 points a game wouldn't be accounted as equally productive by you before you looked at how many shots/FTAs it took for them to get the 15 points.
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Re: Wizards sign Jodie Meeks: 2-yr $7M 

Post#105 » by Ruzious » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:38 pm

payitforward wrote:
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payitforward wrote:Dellavedova was horrible. But Snell wasn't bad at all. Are you sure you've actually looked at his numbers? He shot over 40% on 3s, had a 60.1% TS%, basically never turns it over, doesn't foul much. Give the guy a little credit for pulling his game together!...

...When I'm talking production, I'm not talking efficiency and shooting percentages; I'm talking about... production. How much do they score, assist, steal, rebound, etc. Yes, Snell had good shooting percentages for the first time in his career, but his production was still very low.

Well, we can let poor Tony Snell get up off the hot seat, but, no, I don't think you are talking about pure quantity ("how much") when you discuss production.

E.g. you wouldn't compare "assist, steal, rebound..." numbers that way between 2 guys if one played 15 minutes/game & the other 33 minutes/game. Similarly, 2 guys who both scored 15 points a game wouldn't be accounted as equally productive by you before you looked at how many shots/FTAs it took for them to get the 15 points.

That's not at all what I said or implied. I don't know how someone as smart as you doesn't undertand what production means.
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Re: Wizards sign Jodie Meeks: 2-yr $7M 

Post#106 » by payitforward » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:12 pm

Ruzious wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Ruzious wrote:...When I'm talking production, I'm not talking efficiency and shooting percentages; I'm talking about... production. How much do they score, assist, steal, rebound, etc. Yes, Snell had good shooting percentages for the first time in his career, but his production was still very low.

Well, we can let poor Tony Snell get up off the hot seat, but, no, I don't think you are talking about pure quantity ("how much") when you discuss production.

E.g. you wouldn't compare "assist, steal, rebound..." numbers that way between 2 guys if one played 15 minutes/game & the other 33 minutes/game. Similarly, 2 guys who both scored 15 points a game wouldn't be accounted as equally productive by you before you looked at how many shots/FTAs it took for them to get the 15 points.

That's not at all what I said or implied. I don't know how someone as smart as you doesn't undertand what production means.

Ok, no problem. Moreover, I might not be as smart as you think! :)

Anyway, we agree on the most important point: I'd a lot rather have Jodie Meeks at $3.5m than Tony Snell at $10m.
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Re: Wizards sign Jodie Meeks: 2-yr $7M 

Post#107 » by Ruzious » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:24 pm

You are! Sorry for being too harsh on that last post. It's hard coming back from vacation and seeing 100 e-mails I need to respond to... nicely. Gotta take that "niceness" out on someone.
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Re: Wizards sign Jodie Meeks: 2-yr $7M 

Post#108 » by payitforward » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:37 pm

Ruzious wrote:You are! Sorry for being too harsh on that last post. It's hard coming back from vacation and seeing 100 e-mails I need to respond to... nicely. Gotta take that "niceness" out on someone.

I'm pretty thick-skinned -- definitely didn't take umbrage, amigo. You're one of my favorites here! Go clean out that inbox!!
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Re: Wizards sign Jodie Meeks: 2-yr $7M 

Post#109 » by Kanyewest » Sat Feb 3, 2018 5:27 pm

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Post#110 » by NatP4 » Sat Feb 3, 2018 5:40 pm

This is good news, we needed to find an upgrade from him anyways.
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Post#111 » by closg00 » Sat Feb 3, 2018 5:40 pm

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Meeks isn't exactly a hot commodity out-there
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Re: Wizards sign Jodie Meeks: 2-yr $7M 

Post#112 » by nate33 » Sat Feb 3, 2018 5:42 pm

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Meeks might want to try and make a few 3-point shots before engineering a trade elsewhere.
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Post#113 » by NatP4 » Sat Feb 3, 2018 5:45 pm

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Meeks might want to try and make a few 3-point shots before engineering a trade elsewhere.


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Re: Wizards sign Jodie Meeks: 2-yr $7M 

Post#114 » by nate33 » Sat Feb 3, 2018 5:49 pm

I'm sure EG will be trying to dump him to an under-the-cap team in exchange for cash.

Maybe a team like Sacramento will take Meeks off our hands in exchange for $4M or so in cash (to pay his remaining salary and most of next year's salary). If Meeks comes off the books, it'll save $5.5M this year in salary and luxtax payments plus somewhere between $3M and $7.5M next year, depending on how far we get into luxtax territory.
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Post#115 » by Error Afflalo » Sat Feb 3, 2018 7:37 pm

Those Meeks and Smith player options continue to blow my mind. God we need a GM who isn't a moron.
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Post#116 » by closg00 » Sat Feb 3, 2018 8:00 pm

Error Afflalo wrote:Those Meeks and Smith player options continue to blow my mind. God we need a GM who isn't a moron.


Ernie never getting the team-option (mostly), just shows you what a biaatch he is in contract negotiations. Only an idiot GM locks guys like Smith, Meeks, & Nicholson, into fully-guaranteed deals with no team option. :banghead:
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Post#117 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Feb 3, 2018 8:03 pm

Error Afflalo wrote:Those Meeks and Smith player options continue to blow my mind. God we need a GM who isn't a moron.
That is pretty close to saying we need a GM who is not named Ernie.

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Post#118 » by JAR69 » Sun Feb 4, 2018 1:22 am

Can Meeks decline his player option now?
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