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Post#121 » by HotelVitale » Sat May 12, 2018 1:48 am

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WalterBenjamin wrote:I see Gerald Green. He is a long term project. But generaly doubt he will be a above average ballhandler for position. Low initiator equity.
I think he has better BBIQ than Gerald Green, but his lack of handle and ball skills do limit his game.

I don't recall Green as a HS player exactly but would guess he was better at most raw skills and could impact the game more. Smith has that slow sort of set shot so he can basically only shoot when he's very open, and he doesn't have much control over his body/athleticism--looks like he's running on skates and jumping on a pogo stick. Obviously he can get better at both those things but I think folks are maybe falling in love with the wrong things here. I love gambling on athletes in the draft but he's not the type of 'athlete' that I like as a prospect--that's guys like Jaylen Brown or DSJ (or Paul George) who have extraordinary body control and great coordination, not those wild baby goat types.

(Also, I now Smith isn't Lavine, but if you take away Lavine's ability to hit extremely difficult fadeaway/stepback 28 footers, he's a junk offensive option. That's really been the only thing keeping his career looking promising.)
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Post#122 » by babyjax13 » Sat May 12, 2018 3:49 pm

doordoor123 wrote:I’m kind of mixed on Smith. His athleticism and defense is so tantalizing. His offense is just atrocious. No awareness offensively. His jumper has potential, but it still needs a lot of work. Like he won’t be making threes for a while. His passing isn’t good and his just awareness on offense isn’t good. Yeah, he gets offensive boards, but do you watch where he stands all game? 10 feet from the basket. He literally waits to dunk over guys. His movement on offense just isn’t good. He has elite elite potential, but man, his offense is just not good. Good luck to the team that promised him.

You know how everyone missed out on DeJounte Murray and he ended up going 30th to the Spurs? I hope that happens with Smith. He needs a good coach to tell him what to do.


I want the Jazz to draft him, very badly. Our staff is masterful and player development and Smith is exactly the kind of boom or bust prospect we should be going for.
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Post#123 » by MemphisX » Sat May 12, 2018 10:50 pm

More Gerald Wallace than a Gerald Green.
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Post#124 » by Prokorov » Mon May 14, 2018 4:06 pm

8305 wrote:Nbadraft.net shows this guy going to the Pacers at pick 21. Never heard of him until the Purdue/Texas Tech game. Tried to watch him more closely today against Nova. Looked like he made life really tough for Brunson. He looks taller than the 6’5” he’s listed. I think he shot the 3 ok. Can anyonone elaborate


I'd be surpised if he gets past the clippers at 12/13. definitely in the teens. Guy didnt have eye popping raw stats but he is a two way athletic freak who doesnt have a broken jumper. I'd compare him to a smaller lesser Jaylen Brown. non-stop motor, lives above the rim, and plays really strong for a gaurd/wing.

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Post#126 » by 8305 » Sun May 20, 2018 12:18 pm

He measures out at 6’2” and change and a 6’9” wing span. Do people still see the big upside? Not sure I do.
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Post#127 » by vincecarter4pres » Sun May 20, 2018 12:54 pm

8305 wrote:He measures out at 6’2” and change and a 6’9” wing span. Do people still see the big upside? Not sure I do.

6'2.75, so if we're splitting hairs, basically 6'3 and 6'9.75, so basically 6'10.

I think this definitely impacts things though. Was really surprised he came in so short, I always though he looked taller and longer out there, was thinking absolute shortest he was going to come in would have been 6'4 barefoot and around a 7 foot wingspan.

More so to me was he sounded kind of Simple Jack country slow and kind of immature nervous/timid in the casual combine interview. Guys like that concern me a little, I feel like a majority of guys like that don't reach their full potential. I get he's silly young and a lot of kids take awhile to come out of their shell, but he just didn't sound like a super confident, alpha kind of guy. He sounds a lot more like a guy who will always defer and be satisfied just playing his role. Not necessarily a negative overall, but a negative if you're hoping he's going to one day be a household name.
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Post#128 » by 916fan » Sun May 20, 2018 4:44 pm

8305 wrote:He measures out at 6’2” and change and a 6’9” wing span. Do people still see the big upside? Not sure I do.

Yeah it does for me. He doesn't have great size or length at SG that I thought he did. I have him late teens to 20s now.
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Post#129 » by doordoor123 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:29 pm

Zhaire Smith doesn’t watch NBA at all. He thinks “raw” means no one wants to mess with that player.

https://www.nba.com/wizards/video/teams/wizards/2018/06/11/2134464/1528740217815-zhairesmith-2134464
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Post#130 » by GimmeDat » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:06 am

doordoor123 wrote:Zhaire Smith doesn’t watch NBA at all. He thinks “raw” means no one wants to mess with that player.

https://www.nba.com/wizards/video/teams/wizards/2018/06/11/2134464/1528740217815-zhairesmith-2134464


He's not the sharpest tool in the shed from everything I've seen.
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Post#131 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:08 am

doordoor123 wrote:Zhaire Smith doesn’t watch NBA at all. He thinks “raw” means no one wants to mess with that player.

https://www.nba.com/wizards/video/teams/wizards/2018/06/11/2134464/1528740217815-zhairesmith-2134464


Yikes. I heard he was simple but goddamn.
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Post#132 » by nolang1 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:36 am

Sounds like he knows his strengths, knows his limitations, and works hard. Prides himself on his effort level and communication on defense. Sounds like a smart enough basketball player to me. I've played basketball with plenty of Ivy League-educated professionals who were pretty clueless about what to do on the court. If 'simple' means he just wants to play hard and help his team win without being concerned with his 'brand' or whatever, that makes me like him more.
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Post#133 » by jonjames » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:16 am

8305 wrote:He measures out at 6’2” and change and a 6’9” wing span. Do people still see the big upside? Not sure I do.



As a pg with those measurables along with his freak athleticism?..i think so. that's drose esque. As a off guard who can't handle? Nah. I would say he's a major bust waiting to happen but then again it can't be that major if he's picked outside the lottery.
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Post#134 » by EvanZ » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:26 am

Jason Kidd was the dumbest dude I ever heard off the court. And I say that as someone who grew up in the Bay Area and is a couple years younger than him. His rep was that he was a dumb ass mofo who could barely spell his name. But on the court he was a friggin genius.
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Post#135 » by QRich3 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:33 pm

Yeah, he's not up for a front office job, he's a 19 year old kid trying to play basketball. Educated doesn't mean smart and vice versa, I couldn't care less if his communication skills aren't great, all I want him to do is call out screens and such, so I don't care that he's not a walking thesaurus.
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Post#136 » by Ruzious » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:41 pm

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8305 wrote:He measures out at 6’2” and change and a 6’9” wing span. Do people still see the big upside? Not sure I do.

6'2.75, so if we're splitting hairs, basically 6'3 and 6'9.75, so basically 6'10.

I think this definitely impacts things though. Was really surprised he came in so short, I always though he looked taller and longer out there, was thinking absolute shortest he was going to come in would have been 6'4 barefoot and around a 7 foot wingspan.

More so to me was he sounded kind of Simple Jack country slow and kind of immature nervous/timid in the casual combine interview. Guys like that concern me a little, I feel like a majority of guys like that don't reach their full potential. I get he's silly young and a lot of kids take awhile to come out of their shell, but he just didn't sound like a super confident, alpha kind of guy. He sounds a lot more like a guy who will always defer and be satisfied just playing his role. Not necessarily a negative overall, but a negative if you're hoping he's going to one day be a household name.

The rule of thumb has for years been to add an inch and a quarter to the height without shoes, so he's 6'4. That and his wingspan are pretty much identical to Oladipo. And with his quick leaping ability, he's effectively playing taller than that. There's a reason he blocked 1.6 shots per 40 minutes as a freshman. His size is not a problem, imo. He's a helluva prospect.
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Post#137 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:07 pm

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8305 wrote:He measures out at 6’2” and change and a 6’9” wing span. Do people still see the big upside? Not sure I do.

6'2.75, so if we're splitting hairs, basically 6'3 and 6'9.75, so basically 6'10.

I think this definitely impacts things though. Was really surprised he came in so short, I always though he looked taller and longer out there, was thinking absolute shortest he was going to come in would have been 6'4 barefoot and around a 7 foot wingspan.

More so to me was he sounded kind of Simple Jack country slow and kind of immature nervous/timid in the casual combine interview. Guys like that concern me a little, I feel like a majority of guys like that don't reach their full potential. I get he's silly young and a lot of kids take awhile to come out of their shell, but he just didn't sound like a super confident, alpha kind of guy. He sounds a lot more like a guy who will always defer and be satisfied just playing his role. Not necessarily a negative overall, but a negative if you're hoping he's going to one day be a household name.

The rule of thumb has for years been to add an inch and a quarter to the height without shoes, so he's 6'4. That and his wingspan are pretty much identical to Oladipo. And with his quick leaping ability, he's effectively playing taller than that. There's a reason he blocked 1.6 shots per 40 minutes as a freshman. His size is not a problem, imo. He's a helluva prospect.

Yeah I don't mind his physicals too much, at least if he can become a true guard. At the 2 people seem to get too hung up with height and then we see guys who are short but not midgets, but have great length and athleticism like Mitchell recently, Wade, Ben Gordon, Eric Gordon, etc., come in and dominate at varying levels.

I'm still a little concerned with how simple he sounds, but on the flip side, there have been a lot of guys who sounded like Forrest Gump, but played like him too.

The thing I am concerned with, with his measures, is I hoped he'd eventually be a guy who could play the 2 or the 3 full time, but he's pretty much a guy who has to be a 2 now if you're hoping he's a star or even star role player. 6'4 with a 6'10 wingspan is sufficient at the 2, it's a little meager for the 3, unless we're just talking the occasional switches.

His athleticism is fantastic though, his motor is great, he looks like he'll be able to put more weight and strength on his frame without losing any mobility or burst and even though he sounds dumb, he has a great natural feel for the game, I still love him as a prospect and feel like his hype has almost died after the combine and that's unfortunate for him, but will be a major coup for the team who gets him if he slips into the late teens or early 20's.
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Post#138 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:17 pm

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doordoor123 wrote:Zhaire Smith doesn’t watch NBA at all. He thinks “raw” means no one wants to mess with that player.

https://www.nba.com/wizards/video/teams/wizards/2018/06/11/2134464/1528740217815-zhairesmith-2134464


He's not the sharpest tool in the shed from everything I've seen.

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Post#139 » by BostonCouchGM » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:25 am

I've really warmed up to Smith. He reminds me of Marcus Smart except with elite hops and more offensive promise. There's just something about the way he flashes all over the court on both ends like Smart can. He's going to be a fan favorite wherever he lands.
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