2018 NBA Draft pt 2 - NOW WITH A POLL

LuessiT · Post #1541 » by **LuessiT** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:17 pm

Looks like JJJ lasts till 4 at least.

machu46 · Post #1542 » by **machu46** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:17 pm

humanrefutation wrote:Hasn't it been established that you can't package a RFA in a sign-and-trade? Jabari has to be moved on his own, right?

I think we determined that this either used to be in place in past CBAs or we got it confused with packaging with trade exceptions.

LuessiT · Post #1543 » by **LuessiT** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:18 pm

Looks like JJJ lasts till 4 at least.

Post #1544 » by **humanrefutation** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:19 pm

Prez wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:Hasn't it been established that you can't package a RFA in a sign-and-trade? Jabari has to be moved on his own, right?

Nah, you can trade him with other stuff. I don't think that rule is in the current CBA.

Oh, alright. Good to know.

Post #1545 » by **humanrefutation** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:20 pm

skones wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:Hasn't it been established that you can't package a RFA in a sign-and-trade? Jabari has to be moved on his own, right?

I feel like this question has been asked and answered about 30 times now.

I appreciate this useful response.

raferfenix · Post #1546 » by **raferfenix** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:23 pm

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LuessiT · Post #1547 » by **LuessiT** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:23 pm

machu46 wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:Hasn't it been established that you can't package a RFA in a sign-and-trade? Jabari has to be moved on his own, right?

I think we determined that this either used to be in place in past CBAs or we got it confused with packaging with trade exceptions.

It used to be in the old CBA for sure. Not sure if it changed.

ajb905 · Post #1548 » by **ajb905** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:28 pm

Pipe dream: trade up for Luka or JJJ
Dream: trade up for Trae or Miles
Hopeful: draft Huerter, Zhaire Smith, SGA
Good with: draft (or even better trading back for) Robert Williams, Melton, J. Evans, M. Robinson, Okobo, Okogie, Musa
Nightmare: draft Jerome Robinson, Holiday, Divencenzo at 17

skones · Post #1549 » by **skones** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:32 pm

humanrefutation wrote:
skones wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:Hasn't it been established that you can't package a RFA in a sign-and-trade? Jabari has to be moved on his own, right?

I feel like this question has been asked and answered about 30 times now.

I appreciate this useful response.

You're welcome. Thanks for asking a RFA S&T question in a draft thread.

Post #1550 » by **Prez** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:33 pm

Would have Huerter and a few others over Divincenzo but why are some so against Donte? Is it just not liking him at 17 (which I get) or not liking him as a prospect at all?

emunney · Post #1551 » by **emunney** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:38 pm

LuessiT wrote:
machu46 wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:Hasn't it been established that you can't package a RFA in a sign-and-trade? Jabari has to be moved on his own, right?

I think we determined that this either used to be in place in past CBAs or we got it confused with packaging with trade exceptions.

It used to be in the old CBA for sure. Not sure if it changed.

I don't think it was ever a rule. Look up what the Nets did with Bogans to make the Garnett/Pierce/JET deal work.

skones · Post #1552 » by **skones** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:41 pm

Prez wrote:Would have Huerter and a few others over Divincenzo but why are some so against Donte? Is it just not liking him at 17 (which I get) or not liking him as a prospect at all?

I mostly don't think he's a first round caliber prospect. The only reason he's being discussed there is because of his tournament heroics.

skones · Post #1553 » by **skones** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:41 pm

emunney wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
machu46 wrote:
I think we determined that this either used to be in place in past CBAs or we got it confused with packaging with trade exceptions.

It used to be in the old CBA for sure. Not sure if it changed.

I don't think it was ever a rule. Look up what the Nets did with Bogans to make the Garnett/Pierce/JET deal work.

You're correct in that it wasn't.

M-C-G · Post #1554 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:42 pm

Prez wrote:Would have Huerter and a few others over Divincenzo but why are some so against Donte? Is it just not liking him at 17 (which I get) or not liking him as a prospect at all?

He isn't efficient
His combine numbers didn't test off the charts
He only had one big game that is over inflating his value, otherwise he'd be a late second rounder
He doesn't have good size
He doesn't appear to be a well rounded player
He is one dimensional scoring
He doesn't try on defense
He can't shoot off the dribble
He isn't being mocked in the first round at all

Spoiler:

Post #1555 » by **humanrefutation** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:42 pm

skones wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:
skones wrote:
I feel like this question has been asked and answered about 30 times now.

I appreciate this useful response.

You're welcome. Thanks for asking a RFA S&T question in a draft thread.

Is that really the reason why you're so annoyed by a simple question that you're responding with such irritation? I asked it because multiple people were posting proposed S&T offers in this thread involving Jabari and picks and I wanted to confirm what the rules were. The last time I was engaged in a dialogue about this, I was under the impression you couldn't package him. I now know otherwise.

I don't read every post on this board. I check out on some of the threads from time-to-time when life gets in the way. If that bothers you, I don't know what to do to assuage your frustration. But in the future, if you're annoyed by a question I'm asking, you're free to ignore it. Thanks.

fansinceforever · Post #1556 » by **fansinceforever** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:50 pm

Donte is an older prospect who didn't start and played a role on his college team. A very good college team but we've seen this movie before... I fully expect him to be better than DJ Wilson but I can get excited about a lot of other guys who will be there at 17.

tydett · Post #1557 » by **tydett** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:53 pm

LuessiT wrote:
machu46 wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:Hasn't it been established that you can't package a RFA in a sign-and-trade? Jabari has to be moved on his own, right?

I think we determined that this either used to be in place in past CBAs or we got it confused with packaging with trade exceptions.

It used to be in the old CBA for sure. Not sure if it changed.

Jabari is not under contract right now. He cannot be S&T for anything in the draft tonight since free agency hasn't started yet, and assuming that he would want to sign an extension without testing the FA waters is pretty presumptive. This means any trade planned around him this evening would fall apart, and would have very odd numbers attached to it nonetheless (with the BYC escalator).

Post #1558 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:54 pm

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emunney · Post #1559 » by **emunney** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:57 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:

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This means Wendell Carter is almost certainly on the board at 8...

msiris · Post #1560 » by **msiris** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:58 pm

ajb905 wrote:Pipe dream: trade up for Luka or JJJ
Dream: trade up for Trae or Miles
Hopeful: draft Huerter, Zhaire Smith, SGA
Good with: draft (or even better trading back for) Robert Williams, Melton, J. Evans, M. Robinson, Okobo, Okogie, Musa
Nightmare: draft Jerome Robinson, Holiday, Divencenzo at 17

I am ok with J Robinson and Holiday because they have proven that they can score. I am ok with Okobo as well. Need more scores for that 2nd unit.

Who Do You Want at #17 - Pick 3