2018 NBA Draft pt 2 - NOW WITH A POLL

[Bucks in 6]

Can someone update me on why I’ve seen a few posts about Howard? Wasn’t he just traded? I know a lot of people don’t like him, but if we could have done some sort of similar deal for him that would have been something I would do


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Try the off season thread.

Thank you for the insight.




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[humanrefutation]

Can someone update me on why I’ve seen a few posts about Howard? Wasn’t he just traded? I know a lot of people don’t like him, but if we could have done some sort of similar deal for him that would have been something I would do


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He's probably getting bought out.

[FrieAaron]

Robert Williams slipping in the mocks to 18 and 21 in the latest mocks of espn and nbadraft.net. Not sure why but man I hope he slips to the Bucks.

Although can't see him getting past the Wizards, who I think will pick him or Mitchell Robinson. They need a center, bad.

Undersized center that is neither good defensively nor offensively and can't make FTs? Yuck.

He's 2 inches shorter with a 7'4" wingspan and already heavier than Henson, and averaged 14rb and 4blks per 40. If he fell to us and we passed on him we'd be pretty stupid I feel.

[machu46]

Robert Williams slipping in the mocks to 18 and 21 in the latest mocks of espn and nbadraft.net. Not sure why but man I hope he slips to the Bucks.

Although can't see him getting past the Wizards, who I think will pick him or Mitchell Robinson. They need a center, bad.

Undersized center that is neither good defensively nor offensively and can't make FTs? Yuck.

He's literally won conference defensive player of the year the past two years, had a 62% TS% and finished in the 98th percentile of big men in terms of finishing at the rim.

[emunney]

All the major outlets have banded together to agree to not tip the picks beforehand. Instead, they will definitively announce the entire draft simultaneously at 5pm eastern time.

[machu46]

Sounds like the Kings are officially selecting Bagley #2; basically everyone is now reporting that they've decided on him for sure.

[mke_design]

Would have Huerter and a few others over Divincenzo but why are some so against Donte? Is it just not liking him at 17 (which I get) or not liking him as a prospect at all?

He isn't efficient
His combine numbers didn't test off the charts
He only had one big game that is over inflating his value, otherwise he'd be a late second rounder
He doesn't have good size
He doesn't appear to be a well rounded player
He is one dimensional scoring
He doesn't try on defense
He can't shoot off the dribble
He isn't being mocked in the first round at all

Spoiler:

Whoops, all these things appear to be mistaken

Yes those are all mistaken takes.


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[msiris]

Robert Williams slipping in the mocks to 18 and 21 in the latest mocks of espn and nbadraft.net. Not sure why but man I hope he slips to the Bucks.

Although can't see him getting past the Wizards, who I think will pick him or Mitchell Robinson. They need a center, bad.

Undersized center that is neither good defensively nor offensively and can't make FTs? Yuck.

He's literally won conference defensive player of the year the past two years, had a 62% TS% and finished in the 98th percentile of big men in terms of finishing at the rim.

People complain about spacing and he will not provide that. He is very limited offensively and he has a very inconsistent motor. Sounds like Larry Sanders part 2. I would not hate the pick but I feel like we need more scorers.

[machu46]

Undersized center that is neither good defensively nor offensively and can't make FTs? Yuck.

He's literally won conference defensive player of the year the past two years, had a 62% TS% and finished in the 98th percentile of big men in terms of finishing at the rim.

People complain about spacing and he will not provide that. He is very limited offensively and he has a very inconsistent motor. Sounds like Larry Sanders part 2. I would not hate the pick but I feel like we need more scorers.

I think he’s likely similar to DeAndre in that he provides some spacing because if you sag off of him, he’ll be dunking on your head.


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[Max Green]

GO GET HOWARD NOW YOU **** HORST!!!

[freewhitemoon]

white american players generally don't seem to end up being a good value pick. Maybe it's confirmation bias but I can't recall a single guy since Hayward and Love who were considered good picks

[Aaron It Out]

Wouldn't want Howard on a minimum deal.

[M-C-G]

GO GET HOWARD NOW YOU **** HORST!!!

Max, I used to be with you but come on now. Charlotte just traded for Mozgov on extra years because the team can't stand him. And they may be rebuilding this year, that is insane. So insane that logic has to tell you Horward is THAT BAD.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm incredibly wary of lowly recruited college players who have these magical tournament runs in their junior year without showing much of anything as a freshman or sophomore. If you're an upperclassmen and don't have elite physical tools, then there has to be some elite skill potential there. I don't see that with DiVincenzo at all. Classic case of a guy who's gonna look great in scrimmages and controlled athletic testing because he's simply trying harder than most other guys. I'll never dock him for his work ethic and intensity, that's for sure.

[dbrodz7]

white american players generally don't seem to end up being a good value pick. Maybe it's confirmation bias but I can't recall a single guy since Hayward and Love who were considered good picks

I still remember being at Jazz in the Park refreshing my phone during the Giannis draft and his name came up and I thought "oh no, it's probably some white European stiff" and then I put his name into Google and found out he was a black athletic Greek and the rest is history.

[ajb905]

Would have Huerter and a few others over Divincenzo but why are some so against Donte? Is it just not liking him at 17 (which I get) or not liking him as a prospect at all?

Not a fan of combo guards without ball skills. Even though he has hops and is good athletically, I don't believe in his defense at his size. Role player in college and not a dynamic shooter like Huerter. His upside is very limited and would rather shoot higher. I wouldn't be excited if they traded down for him but I guess it would be less of nightmare than Jerome Robinson or Holiday.

[mke_design]

I'm incredibly wary of lowly recruited college players who have these magical tournament runs in their junior year without showing much of anything as a freshman or sophomore. If you're an upperclassmen and don't have elite physical tools, then there has to be some elite skill potential there. I don't see that with DiVincenzo at all. Classic case of a guy who's gonna look great in scrimmages and controlled athletic testing because he's simply trying harder than most other guys. I'll never dock him for his work ethic and intensity, that's for sure.

You wanting elite anything with the 17th pick is a bit of a pipe dream.


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[M-C-G]

I'm incredibly wary of lowly recruited college players who have these magical tournament runs in their junior year without showing much of anything as a freshman or sophomore. If you're an upperclassmen and don't have elite physical tools, then there has to be some elite skill potential there. I don't see that with DiVincenzo at all. Classic case of a guy who's gonna look great in scrimmages and controlled athletic testing because he's simply trying harder than most other guys. I'll never dock him for his work ethic and intensity, that's for sure.

Take the big tournament out of it.

Wright doesn't play a ton of young guys, so no big surprise that he doesn't get big name recruits. But with that said, he was playing behind the Big East Player of the Year his sophomore season (Josh Hart) and the player of the year (Brunson).

If that isn't being "blocked" I don't know what is...but in spite of that, he was their 5th leading scorer last year on good efficiency, and third leading scorer on even better efficiency this year. And his nickname is the "the big Ragu", that's reason to draft him on its own.

I think people are just suggesting he is in play because of the championship game, and maybe while true for some, there is plenty there to like.

Oh and he has a reputation for working harder than most guys in real basketball games too.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm incredibly wary of lowly recruited college players who have these magical tournament runs in their junior year without showing much of anything as a freshman or sophomore. If you're an upperclassmen and don't have elite physical tools, then there has to be some elite skill potential there. I don't see that with DiVincenzo at all. Classic case of a guy who's gonna look great in scrimmages and controlled athletic testing because he's simply trying harder than most other guys. I'll never dock him for his work ethic and intensity, that's for sure.

You wanting elite anything with the 17th pick is a bit of a pipe dream.


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If you're a 6'4 wing/guard without true PG skills or borderline freakish athleticism, then you better be elite at some other skill or else you're not an NBA player.

[ajb905]

I'm incredibly wary of lowly recruited college players who have these magical tournament runs in their junior year without showing much of anything as a freshman or sophomore. If you're an upperclassmen and don't have elite physical tools, then there has to be some elite skill potential there. I don't see that with DiVincenzo at all. Classic case of a guy who's gonna look great in scrimmages and controlled athletic testing because he's simply trying harder than most other guys. I'll never dock him for his work ethic and intensity, that's for sure.

You wanting elite anything with the 17th pick is a bit of a pipe dream.


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Huerter is an elite 3 point shooter (off movement variety). Zhaire Smith is an elite athlete. De'Anthony Melton has elite BBIQ. But yeah at 17 the player is going to have warts. But I agree with Ron that skill wise Donte doesn't jump out and especially for a combo guard.