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Re: Luka Doncic Part III 

Post#3061 » by DryPaint » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:46 am

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GoGreen wrote:You know who I thought were poor athletes that wouldn't amount to much at the next level?

Jayson Tatum and Jamaal Murray.

These young men have proven me dead wrong. They can play in the NBA, and in Jaysons case, he might even be able to dominate. I watch Luka and see that type of athleticism. Nothing explosive or shocking, but smart, smooth with good footwork and handles. I think he'll be a lot of fun to watch in the NBA.


this and similar clips show how cat quick fast, agile, wide framed and long tatum is. plus very very good with the ball. between tatum and doncic as far as quickness and length goes, there is a big gap. plus he can handle it at least as good as doncic without a doubt.

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Well yes, but this is high school. Luka is going against grown men and the second best league in the world doing what he's doing. I've watched plenty of Tatum in college and the pros. And like I said, Murray as well. If they can be successful, I see no reason why Luka can't.


im dont mean the competition in the video, but i am talking about the way he moves, how explosive he is compared to doncic
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Post#3062 » by DryPaint » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:54 am

it will be interesting to see where he lands tonight regardless. im hoping for a team moving up, to bring a bit of spice into the settled in circle of kings, mavs, grizzlies, hawks . maybe a better option as far as franchises current status and condition goes.
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Post#3063 » by batigol18 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:03 pm

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this and similar clips show how cat quick fast, agile, wide framed and long tatum is. plus very very good with the ball. between tatum and doncic as far as quickness and length goes, there is a big gap. plus he can handle it at least as good as doncic without a doubt.

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Well yes, but this is high school. Luka is going against grown men and the second best league in the world doing what he's doing. I've watched plenty of Tatum in college and the pros. And like I said, Murray as well. If they can be successful, I see no reason why Luka can't.


im dont mean the competition in the video, but i am talking about the way he moves, how explosive he is compared to doncic


Against that level of defence as it is in this video, Doncic would look like he is from other planet and nobody is faster than him. When I see that kind of videos from different lottery NBA pick, then I realize how much higher level is the competition Doncic played against this season.

But OK, I have no problem to wait till next season, when Doncic will suddenly have much more space and much less physical defence on him as he had last season. Because games in NBA in regular season are much less intense in compare to games in Europe (especially after New Year). Many, who have so many doubts now, will just watch with open eyes...

Play-off in NBA is different thing but I believe even now Doncic would already be able significantly contribute. Not as "the man" but as important part of the winning team...
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Post#3064 » by Archx » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:04 pm

DryPaint wrote:it will be interesting to see where he lands tonight regardless. im hoping for a team moving up, to bring a bit of spice into the settled in circle of kings, mavs, grizzlies, hawks . maybe a better option as far as franchises current status and condition goes.


For me Kings team is way too crowded with guards who needs to have ball in their hands. Doesn't matter, if on paper, they can co-exist. Or even the fact that Bogi is his friend... I would much rather see him on Hawks or DAL/ORL/CHI .. since they want to move up to pick him.
People criticize Cuban but i think he is a great owner and he would be loyal to Luka and help him develop. Also Rick is a good coach. So DAL is not a bad idea, plus i trust Cuban more than anyone else to put together a playoff team.
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Post#3065 » by Archx » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:09 pm

batigol18 wrote:But OK, I have no problem to wait till next season, when Doncic will suddenly have much more space and much less physical defence on him as he had last season. Because games in NBA in regular season are much less intense in compare to games in Europe (especially since New Year). Many, who have so many doubts now, will just watch with open eyes...

Play-off in NBA is different thing but I believe even now Doncic would already be able significantly contribute. Not as "the man" but as important part of the winning team...


That is true kinda... Defense in the past few years has gotten so bad in the NBA that lot of times i just switch channels. It's basically like watching an all star game. Even in the Kobe era, you saw how players had to fight for almost every basket, now they usually just leave shooters open or spread the floor so much that you have a feeling you are watching 1 : 1 game.

But with that being said, Luka still has to blow by his defenders OR hit open shots. He still has to defend well. He is a champion, he wants to win, so he will have to work hard in order to even get into the playoffs. In my opinion he is not on Tatum level. Tatum like Kobe said in his reviews, has found a way to find open spots on the floor for an easy jumpshot. Luka is not used to something like that yet.. Will be interesting to see how he adapts and changes his game.
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Post#3066 » by Grits n Gravy » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:13 pm

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DryPaint wrote:it will be interesting to see where he lands tonight regardless. im hoping for a team moving up, to bring a bit of spice into the settled in circle of kings, mavs, grizzlies, hawks . maybe a better option as far as franchises current status and condition goes.


For me Kings team is way too crowded with guards who needs to have ball in their hands. Doesn't matter, if on paper, they can co-exist. Or even the fact that Bogi is his friend... I would much rather see him on Hawks or DAL/ORL/CHI .. since they want to move up to pick him.
People criticize Cuban but i think he is a great owner and he would be loyal to Luka and help him develop. Also Rick is a good coach. So DAL is not a bad idea, plus i trust Cuban more than anyone else to put together a playoff team.

I agree - in terms of his development but probably a detriment to his happiness, I hope he goes to Atlanta. I agree Sacramento has too many guys who want the ball and I am extremely nervous about their track record of draft picks not developing. I'm not sure how Dallas views Denis Smith and whether they could co exist but regardless, where ever he goes I hope they put the ball in his hands and develop his skill, body and mind.
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Post#3067 » by The-Power » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:23 pm

I'd love to see him going to a team that traded up to pick him, because you can be sure that this team will try everything to build around him. I don't like the fit with DSJ, but if the Mavs are indeed trading up this would constitute a great commitment which can only be good for Luka (as I am not worried about him having to deal with high expectations as long as the team is built around him).
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Post#3068 » by Archx » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:29 pm

The-Power wrote:I'd love to see him going to a team that traded up to pick him, because you can be sure that this team will try everything to build around him. I don't like the fit with DSJ, but if the Mavs are indeed trading up this would constitute a great commitment which can only be good for Luka (as I am not worried about him having to deal with high expectations as long as the team is built around him).


Yeah plus being around a proven winner and incredibly experienced Nowitzki, that would be awesome. I am sure Dirk would have his back aswell.
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Post#3069 » by Crizzle » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:48 pm

Pray he falls to Memphis
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Post#3070 » by realEAST » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:26 pm

batigol18 wrote:
DryPaint wrote:
GoGreen wrote:
Well yes, but this is high school. Luka is going against grown men and the second best league in the world doing what he's doing. I've watched plenty of Tatum in college and the pros. And like I said, Murray as well. If they can be successful, I see no reason why Luka can't.


im dont mean the competition in the video, but i am talking about the way he moves, how explosive he is compared to doncic


Against that level of defence as it is in this video, Doncic would look like he is from other planet and nobody is faster than him. When I see that kind of videos from different lottery NBA pick, then I realize how much higher level is the competition Doncic played against this season.

But OK, I have no problem to wait till next season, when Doncic will suddenly have much more space and much less physical defence on him as he had last season. Because games in NBA in regular season are much less intense in compare to games in Europe (especially after New Year). Many, who have so many doubts now, will just watch with open eyes...

Play-off in NBA is different thing but I believe even now Doncic would already be able significantly contribute. Not as "the man" but as important part of the winning team...


This first paragraph is something commonly overlooked when comparing NCAA to EL.
Same thing is when people claimed that he "doesn't look 6'8" - it's because compared to average 6'9 center in NCAA, or better yet HS, every other position is looking much bigger - if they have regular NBA size for position (and 99% of them do, and some are considered prospects only due to size).

Having being used to those proportions, watching Doncic in EL, he might seem smaller because your point of reference is wrong.

But as with you, I am quite calm waiting for Doncic to disprove those misconceptions.
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Post#3071 » by CptCrunch » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:24 pm

Suns gonna make a mistake tonight since everyone assumes they are drafting Ayton. The whole Arizona connection is really gonna hurt the franchis. Can't mix emotions with business.
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Post#3072 » by lavta » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:59 pm

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Post#3073 » by lavta » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:11 pm

Game 4: http://damirmrsicstan.blogspot.com/2018/06/luka-doncic-vs-baskonia-19062018.html

Finished around 7 hours before he gets selected, not bad.


DryPaint wrote:if you discount memphis because he could win with them now, and dive into a semi winning culture (a regular in the playofs for the past decade), and play the sf starting spot right away i cant agree.


I'm comparatively lower on Memphis' non-Gasol, non-Conley players and their coaching staff if you believe they can make the playoffs in the current west with Parsons' contract and with Luka. Because I'd bet against it. You know who else's starting SF spot is empty though? Kings'.

DryPaint wrote:you believe the kings have a future in the current roster? fox, hield, bogdanovic, doncic all in that guard spots together for multiple years? no way jose.


I believe no 2-5 range team currently has a particularly bright future. But Sacto has more assets than any of them at least, imo. Also you just said Grizzlies' starting SF spot is empty now you write Doncic off as a guard when discussing Kings while Kings' SF rotation is even more empty? Be consistent.

DryPaint wrote:dallas outside of dirk (for that 1 year he would hobble up and down the coart with luka) and the coach, is a terrible fit. their cornerstones of the future are both playing his spots: barnes his primary spot, and smith jr his secondary spot. whats good about that longterm?


? That's exactly what I said. Mainly what I said anyway, we disagree with some of your minor claims there. But a great FO, coaching staff and ownership always worth a lot though, even if less so than roster fit for a player like Luka. That's why I put Mavs as the 2nd best option.

I also don't understand the "Kings have too many players who need the ball" narrative. Claimers of that, do you watch the Kings? Joerger runs a flex offense, doesn't rely on spread PnR initiation in his offense at all. Fox has shown to be a better off-ball PG than most other rookie PGs at his age historically. Being a useful off-ball PG isn't solely based on spot-up outside shooting, people. Bogdan is a solid PnR ball handler, but I'd laugh at anyone's face who claims he "needs" to be a ball handler or that his PnR ball handling is his biggest attribute. Hield is a bench scorer who works as a floor spacer with the 1st unit and doesn't fit to have any meaningful creation responsibility anyway. It seems like you project Kings not having any worthy pieces at PF and C as if they are loaded at the perimeter. And people mentioning Fox needing the ball and then claiming Mavs' roster is a good fit with DSJ there would be laughable.

Luka fits all 30 teams. I doubt he cares about his fit in different teams much. But if I were him I'd prefer Kings over the other 3 in the range he can go (2-5 as Phoenix is choosing Ayton outside of a miracle and Dallas isn't passing on Doncic outside of a miracle). This, of course doesn't account for trades. But theoretically any team can trade for him except GSW, HOU, etc. so that's just too many teams and possible trade scenarios to think about.

edit: I've seen many people from Slovenia reading the blog posts today after I checked the stats for the first time and was surprised a little at the sheer amount of Slovenians following the thread. Anyway, I wanted to ask, does any of you know whether Sasa Doncic will be at the draft? I saw Luka's mother arriving at NYC with him in a tweet, but am a little curious about his father. Because you know, an interesting person, he is :)
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Post#3074 » by batigol18 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:22 pm

No, Sasa won’t be there. They had nasty divorce and generally Luka also doesn’t want to have much contact with him...
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Post#3075 » by ItsThatEasy » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:44 pm

How much of Luka's athleticism perception is tied to the video quality in which we watch his games?

The frame rate tends to be terrible in general and even the most athletic players look pedestrian on that low quality film.
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Post#3076 » by DryPaint » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:46 pm

lavta wrote:Game 4: http://damirmrsicstan.blogspot.com/2018/06/luka-doncic-vs-baskonia-19062018.html

Finished around 7 hours before he gets selected, not bad.


DryPaint wrote:if you discount memphis because he could win with them now, and dive into a semi winning culture (a regular in the playofs for the past decade), and play the sf starting spot right away i cant agree.


I'm comparatively lower on Memphis' non-Gasol, non-Conley players and their coaching staff if you believe they can make the playoffs in the current west with Parsons' contract and with Luka. Because I'd bet against it. You know who else's starting SF spot is empty though? Kings'.


I am consistent. Starting at sf for the grizzlies would not be the main criteria why he fits the grizzlies most. I never said open starting spot is deciding for fit. That would be a playoff enviroment, and conley plus gasol who would pass him the torch in 2 or 3 seasons of course. You have to read correct

I said why i dont see him fit the kings: logjam of young perimeter players (bogdanovic, hield, fox). I dont care if they have a sf spot right away. You should be more consistent at carefully reading posts.
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Post#3077 » by Archx » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:50 pm

DryPaint wrote:
lavta wrote:Game 4: http://damirmrsicstan.blogspot.com/2018/06/luka-doncic-vs-baskonia-19062018.html

Finished around 7 hours before he gets selected, not bad.


DryPaint wrote:if you discount memphis because he could win with them now, and dive into a semi winning culture (a regular in the playofs for the past decade), and play the sf starting spot right away i cant agree.


I'm comparatively lower on Memphis' non-Gasol, non-Conley players and their coaching staff if you believe they can make the playoffs in the current west with Parsons' contract and with Luka. Because I'd bet against it. You know who else's starting SF spot is empty though? Kings'.


I am consistent. Starting at sf for the grizzlies would not be the main criteria why he fits the grizzlies most. I never said open starting spot is deciding for fit. That would be a playoff enviroment, and conley plus gasol who would pass him the torch in 2 or 3 seasons of course. You have to read correct

I said why i dont see him fit the kings: logjam of young perimeter players (bogdanovic, hield, fox). I dont care if they have a sf spot right away. You should be more consistent at carefully reading posts.


If Luka falls to 3 which it looks like he will right now, it will be a blood bath. A ton of teams will be fighting to get the nr3 away from ATL. He won't even get to 4. No chance..
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Re: Luka Doncic Part III 

Post#3078 » by BlueSan » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:26 pm

I dont think so. Atlanta has made it clear they will be looking to have a defensively good team in the future and I personally think JJJ is their man
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Re: Luka Doncic Part III 

Post#3079 » by peZt » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:35 pm

If woj is posting his "mock draft" right before the embargo hits, you know things are set. He's going to Atlanta
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Post#3080 » by Archx » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:10 pm

peZt wrote:If woj is posting his "mock draft" right before the embargo hits, you know things are set. He's going to Atlanta


I don't even know where he gets all the inside info from and what's the deal with this "embargo" but apparently DAL is going to trade with ATL for nr3. We'll see...

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