Wendell Carter Jr - The Block Panther Edition

Hangtime84 · Post #821 » by **Hangtime84** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:58 pm

History decides those things unless you have a time machine.

Hangtime84 · Post #822 » by **Hangtime84** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:00 pm

stepic wrote:It was.

Just sucks we missed out on Doncic or Bagley literally on a coin flip though.

We won a game by signing a player who has no long-term benefit to this team.

Chitownbulls · Post #823 » by **Chitownbulls** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:02 pm

I like him if we use him correctly

Bulls need to feed this man the ball in the post! It's his bread an butter.

Stratmaster · Post #824 » by **Stratmaster** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:38 pm

Just_Bullz wrote:Not a fan of drafting bigs in an era where SFs and PGs are the difference makers. Unless management sees WCJ having the ability to create an impact ala prime Noah, this could be just a decision to replace Rolo.

Would rather take Sexton or Miles Bridges with the pick at that stage. I'm actually more excited with Chandler Hutchinson instead. Hope I eat crow on this though.

I think it was just circumstances. The impact players in this draft were mostly bigs. The one wing who was the exception has what appear to be very serious health concerns. You can't take the chance of drafting someone who is an inferior player or has health issues and end up not getting anything out of this pick after a full season of tanking.

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Chitownbulls · Post #825 » by **Chitownbulls** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:54 pm

Said this months ago, get a bigman this year, next year draft a wing. 2019 is loaded with wing/perimeter players.

BullHeaded · Post #826 » by **BullHeaded** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:10 pm

I am no great basketball evaluator but I did enjoy watching WCJ highlights the past two days. He seems a TON more athletic than he's made out to be on the board. But highlights make everyone look like Kareem so I took it with a grain of salt.

Reading this case for him though got me excited.
https://sports.yahoo.com/scouting-report-wendell-carter-jr-233841757.html

He sounds like he is severely underrated in so many facets of his game. We still need an mvp caliber wing or pg to contend... but WCJ could be a real get and offer opponents a Sophie's choice when dealing with him and Lauri.

RememberLu · Post #827 » by **RememberLu** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:11 pm

Chitownbulls wrote:Said this months ago, get a bigman this year, next year draft a wing. 2019 is loaded with wing/perimeter players.

how loaded? Because I expect us to be picking much higher than the 7th pick next year

Axolotl · Post #828 » by **Axolotl** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:19 pm

RememberLu wrote:
Chitownbulls wrote:Said this months ago, get a bigman this year, next year draft a wing. 2019 is loaded with wing/perimeter players.

how loaded? Because I expect us to be picking much higher than the 7th pick next year

There are also the new lottery rules. The highest odds for #1 is roughly one in seven. The fifth seed will have better than one in ten, and 9th has almost one in 20.

waffle · Post #829 » by **waffle** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:22 pm

Higher than 7th next year? I doubt it? But time will tell

SensiBull · Post #830 » by **SensiBull** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:25 pm

All I can say is that it's a 'glass half full' vs. 'glass half empty' comparison at best, when you look at rebounding numbers between Bagley and Carter.

I don't see a player spending "most of his time on the perimeter" getting 11 rebounds a game in 34 minutes of playing time, and I wouldn't call 9 rebounds per game in an average of 27 minutes "inflated" unless we were talking about a Point Guard.

Both players averaged about a rebound every 3 minutes of regulation. At best it's a wash and, therefore, not a point of comparison or difference.

It's swings and roundabouts after that.

Both shot 40% from the arc, but Bagley averaged 2 attempts per game to Carter's 1. Yet, Carter is the better free throw shooter, considered a more accurate indicator of shooting form, which is noticeable if you see the two shoot.

Watch on YouTube

More importantly, Carter blocked 2 shots a game to Bagley's 1. For a team that needed rim protection, Carter was the right choice.

Fastbrk4brkfast · Post #831 » by **Fastbrk4brkfast** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:02 pm

SensiBull wrote:All I can say is that it's a 'glass half full' vs. 'glass half empty' comparison at best, when you look at rebounding numbers between Bagley and Carter.

I don't see a player spending "most of his time on the perimeter" getting 11 rebounds a game in 34 minutes of playing time, and I wouldn't call 9 rebounds per game in an average of 27 minutes "inflated" unless we were talking about a Point Guard.

Both players averaged about a rebound every 3 minutes of regulation. At best it's a wash and, therefore, not a point of comparison or difference.

It's swings and roundabouts after that.

Both shot 40% from the arc, but Bagley averaged 2 attempts per game to Carter's 1. Yet, Carter is the better free throw shooter, considered a more accurate indicator of shooting form, which is noticeable if you see the two shoot.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

More importantly, Carter blocked 2 shots a game to Bagley's 1. For a team that needed rim protection, Carter was the right choice.

Of the bigs in this draft I think Carter was the second best fit for the Bulls after JJJ. Comparing Carter and Bagley reminds me of Horford and Noah, only this time the Bulls got Horford. I was initially down about the pick not because of my evaluation of Carter, he'll be fine, but more because I felt the Bulls didn't maximize opportunities to collect future assets.

I watched the youtube vid of Carter going head to head with Ayton. It looks to me like Lauri's going to have to guard Ayton when he comes to town cause Carter didn't bother Ayton's shot one bit. However, Carter will be very useful protecting the rim when guards (or whoever Zach's defending) get into the lane and we've needed that since we lost Taj.

Chi · Post #832 » by **Chi** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:33 pm

Worse case scenario Antonio Davis with 3pt range...

Which is a Very valuable player...

Benedict Miller · Post #833 » by **Benedict Miller** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:40 pm

I approve of this draft

bennjuiced34 · Post #834 » by **bennjuiced34** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:42 pm

Watched some tape of Carter without Bagley. Completely different player offensively. Seems like he took a backseat when Bagley was in.

R3AL1TY · Post #835 » by **R3AL1TY** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:56 pm

The key to WCJ is him having that same balance he had with Bagley with Lauri, but better.

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #836 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:06 pm

I’m ok with a Nowitzki / Horford frontcourt.

BR0D1E86 · Post #837 » by **BR0D1E86** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:16 pm

ndee1234 wrote:We just drafted another Bobby Portis.

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Indeed, in that they’re both taller guys.

I’m not sure there are many more similarities beyond that, but yeah, pretty spot on analysis.

Post #838 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:32 pm

As others have said, the more and more you watch Wendell, the more excited I am about getting him.

The thing I think is forgotten, if MBIII wouldn't have gone to Duke, WCJ would have been a sure fire top 5 pick. He was beastly when MBIII missed games. So in essence, we haven't even seen the best of Carter just yet.

RememberLu · Post #839 » by **RememberLu** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:43 pm

I keep hearing Bulls fans call into sports radio shows and compare WCJ to Taj Gibson. What are they smoking? Taj was a defensive specialist for the majority of his NBA career, he had very little offense to speak of.

RememberLu · Post #840 » by **RememberLu** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:07 pm

Duke associate head coach John Scheyer was on Waddle & Silvy and said if he'd compare WCJ to anyone it'd be Al Horford. Bulls fans were salivating at the idea of pairing Horford up with Noah back when both were in their prime.

Right pick?