Wiretap: Bulls Hope To Re-Sign Zach LaVine At $14M-$16M

[johnnyvann840]

I'm too lazy to link it but the CARMELO projection on 538 for Lavine is horrifying.

Crazy. I hadn't seen that and I put his value at around $8M/per. They have him at $7.8M.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/zach-lavine/

This also says that Marcus Smart is worth $135 million over the next five years.

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Cut that in half, then cut it in half again.

[Truebiscuit]

For the 2018 season, a contract averaging $20M would rank 38th in the NBA (tied with Ryan Anderson).

That doesn’t make it any less awful.

I think $20M per season is too much for him.

[johnnyvann840]

K.C. Johnson said on the radio that the Bulls are prepared for a team in the Western Conference to make a run at Zach LaVine. He speculates it will average $20M or more per season. He said he doesn't have the specific team yet, but said he will soon.

Good, I'm fine with letting him go there. I hope GarPax feel the same.

I still think he's going to be shocked at the offers he receives and at that point the Bulls will have a "come to Jesus" moment with him and offer him a 2 year "prove it" deal.

We can only hope

[DaBurg]

Thru Age 22 Per 36 mins

Player A - 230 games 16.7 PPG 4.0 RPG 1.8 APG 1.8 TO 46/20/80 13.4 PER 52.5 TS%

Player B -222 games 17.6 PPG 3.8 RPG 4.0 APG 2.6 TO 44/37/82 13.4 PER 54 TS%


So yeah Player A is Demar Derozan and B is Lavine. I always thought Lavine's ceiling is a more athletic and better 3p shooting Derozan and at a similar point in their careers they were very equal even with Zach a slight edge in shooting. I think its crazy that everyone wants to get rid of this kid. He has a lot to learn but he is so young with tons of potential. I hope the Bulls don't let this kid walk that would be terrible.

[Darius Miles Davis]

I wonder what the fallback options are at to start at shooting guard if we don't match and LaVine leaves? Will Barton? Avery Bradley? Valentine? Nwaba?

[Darius Miles Davis]

K.C. Johnson said on the radio that the Bulls are prepared for a team in the Western Conference to make a run at Zach LaVine. He speculates it will average $20M or more per season. He said he doesn't have the specific team yet, but said he will soon.

Ugh.

[johnnyvann840]

I wonder what the fallback options are at to start at shooting guard if we don't match and LaVine leaves? Will Barton? Avery Bradley? Valentine? Nwaba?

Sean Kilpatrick

[Truebiscuit]

Thru Age 22 Per 36 mins

Player A - 230 games 16.7 PPG 4.0 RPG 1.8 APG 1.8 TO 46/20/80 13.4 PER 52.5 TS%

Player B -222 games 17.6 PPG 3.8 RPG 4.0 APG 2.6 TO 44/37/82 13.4 PER 54 TS%


So yeah Player A is Demar Derozan and B is Lavine. I always thought Lavine's ceiling is a more athletic and better 3p shooting Derozan and at a similar point in their careers they were very equal even with Zach a slight edge in shooting. I think its crazy that everyone wants to get rid of this kid. He has a lot to learn but he is so young with tons of potential. I hope the Bulls don't let this kid walk that would be terrible.

BPM of -2.7 and a VORP of -1.1 as well for Derozan.

[SHO'NUFF]

I wonder what the fallback options are at to start at shooting guard if we don't match and LaVine leaves? Will Barton? Avery Bradley? Valentine? Nwaba?

Sean Kilpatrick

[SensiBull]

For the 2018 season, a contract averaging $20M would rank 38th in the NBA (tied with Ryan Anderson).

You could name the top two players on every single team in the league, and you'd have 90 names that would not include Ryan Anderson's. He's not even a starter in Houston.

http://www.espn.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/hou/houston-rockets

This just says that the yardstick is broken. Why use it to measure Zach LaVine?

[johnnyvann840]

I wonder what the fallback options are at to start at shooting guard if we don't match and LaVine leaves? Will Barton? Avery Bradley? Valentine? Nwaba?

Sean Kilpatrick

Why not? He was easily the most effective and most exciting player to watch on the Bulls April last year. He can shoot. He plays hard. He rebounds his position hard.

Watch on YouTube

That shot with :56 left is the one that cost us Doncic.


.. and what do you have against Kristen Ledlow. She's sexy as hell.

[Truebiscuit]

For the 2018 season, a contract averaging $20M would rank 38th in the NBA (tied with Ryan Anderson).

You could name the top two players on every single team in the league, and you'd have 90 names that would not include Ryan Anderson's. He's not even a starter in Houston.

http://www.espn.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/hou/houston-rockets

This just says that the yardstick is broken. Why use it to measure Zach LaVine?

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/average/

Why? Quick/easy comp, I guess.

[SHO'NUFF]

Sean Kilpatrick

Why not? He was easily the most effective and most exciting player to watch on the Bulls April last year. He can shoot. He plays hard. He rebounds his position hard.

Watch on YouTube

That shot with :56 left is the one that cost us Doncic.


.. and what do you have against Kristen Ledlow. She's sexy as hell.

It's just hard to get excited about someone who's not part of the Bulls future plans. He'll turn 29 this season. Next thing you know he'll be 30 with dentures and a walking stick.

[johnnyvann840]

Why not? He was easily the most effective and most exciting player to watch on the Bulls April last year. He can shoot. He plays hard. He rebounds his position hard.

Watch on YouTube

That shot with :56 left is the one that cost us Doncic.


.. and what do you have against Kristen Ledlow. She's sexy as hell.

It's just hard to get excited about someone who's not part of the Bulls future plans. He'll turn 29 this season. Next thing you know he'll be 30 with dentures and a walking stick.

So, we Boganize him. Play him 15 MPG and give Valentine a shot.

[johnnyvann840]

^^ Meh, Kilpatrick is 28 for most of this season, won't be 29 until March. He's got low low miles on him and probably has his best years ahead . Got at least 4-5 more good seasons in him. He'll be 32 for most of the 2022 season. He won't need dentures for at least a few decades, probably more like 50 years from now.

[League Circles]

IMO, the current rotation entering FA at the 2/3 is:

3: Valentine, Hutchison
2: Holiday, Grant

I don't really see how that's debatable. Obviously there will be more players added to that including possibly some of our own free agents but that's kind of the default rotation.

[SensiBull]

^^ Meh, Kilpatrick is 28 for most of this season, won't be 29 until March. He's got low low miles on him and probably has his best years ahead . Got at least 4-5 more good seasons in him. He'll be 32 for most of the 2022 season. He won't need dentures for at least a few decades, probably more like 50 years from now.

Even 10% of the money LaVine is trying to get would buy a LOT of dentures!!!!

[Moosegary]

Only team in the western conference that would sign Lavine to an offer sheet is Sacramento at the start of free agency. If the Bulls aren’t sold on Lavine, what about a sign and trade for Buddy Hield. My personal feeling is Lavine has a lot more potential but I’m not garpax. If this trade would happen it could set up a situation were in the summer of 2019 we might be able to offer up 2 max contracts to prospective free agents. Butler and Kyrie seem to want to play with each other.

Point guard- kyrie and Dunn
Wings - butler, Hield, Hutchison, Denzel
Bigs - Markkanen, Carter, Portis

That is a pretty good team - I can dream!

[randybrown]

I don't know why people keep talking about a 1+1 deal or things like this. Here's what is going to happen. We have already heard this from Paxson. Three times in the last month he's said it. Bulls are going to let Zach go out and get an offer. That offer sheet has to be for 3 years at least. Rule. Then, he will come back with his best offer and the Bulls will either match the offer or say goodbye to Zach. That's it. There won't be any preemptive offer from the Bulls for anything close to $20M per year as some are suggesting. That would be pure idiocy. If nobody offers more than $15M per year for 3 or 4 years, the Bulls probably match and it's probably a good gamble. Worst case is we have a tradeable contract that should be fairly easy to move.

I wouldn't spend 15% of the cap on a guy who's likely upside is good sixth man. I wouldn't spend 45 million on the 3% chance that he morphs into CJ McCollum or Bradley Beal.

I'm with you all the way on this.

Personally, I would let him walk for anything more than $8M per year. I know that is unrealistic, so I guess the number is more like $14M, which for the level of player he is and the impact he has is a GROSS overpay. Look, we aren't paying for him to win the dunk contest, or to be the highest jumper. We want winning basketball players. Players that help you on the scoreboard and not just on highlight reels.

ESPN has LaVine as the 19th Best Free Agent.
That's like Tony Snell territory, who got 4y/46M last year.

Apparently there is even less FA money out there this year, maybe 4y/45M is actually doable.
If the market does dry up, it would be savvy of LaVine to invest in himself and take the QO.

Maybe the Bulls get lucky and leverage a guy who needs some money now in a dry market after an underwhelming year.

[SensiBull]

$10 MM per sounds MUCH more reasonable.

It's low enough to make me sign him short-term, but, you can be certain that someone with an out-dated, old-school mindset will get a man-boner for him and offer him more, which doesn't bother me at all. I wouldn't even care if it was someone else in the East. He doesn't scare me.

He's basically looking for someone to pay him a max contract while he masturbates on the floor while his teammates stand around watching for kinks.