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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#221 » by TheNewEra » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:38 am

starbosa10 wrote:Saric, Roco, zhaire and the miami pick sixers got from us is better than taking Deng back


If the Lakers are still pushing Deng out there Bayless should be used in the same. Shouldn’t oversell for a potential rental.
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Post#222 » by babyjax13 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:38 am

I think the Spurs are waiting until after the LeBron chip has fallen. More teams might be willing to lay out for him, teams might be in a more desperate position, or the Lakers might not be an appealing destination for him anymore.
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#223 » by starbosa10 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:39 am

Dont get why everyone is acting like spurs have no leverage. Kawhi doesnt have a no trade clause and SA can wait til the trade deadline
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#224 » by JellosJigglin » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:41 am

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Spurs are NOT taking the Deng contract. They're clear on that as they don't need to.


Well that's the price for 2 young players. Why should the Lakers even offer 2 of them when the Celtics didn't even offer Jaylen Brown? **** that.


Spurs don’t have to accept Deng. They can be spiteful and take less from other teams.


That's ok. Lakers only have to worry about their own team. If the Spurs are willing to accept a worse offer from another team, more power to them. They're the ones that will have to explain it to their season ticket holders.
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#225 » by TommyPoints » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:41 am

babyjax13 wrote:I think the Spurs are waiting until after the LeBron chip has fallen. More teams might be willing to lay out for him, teams might be in a more desperate position, or the Lakers might not be an appealing destination for him anymore.


The Spurs just have no reason to rush and I doubt that they will. This will probably be dragging on for a while.
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#226 » by SK21209 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:42 am

Seems like LeBron's opt in deadline has created some leverage for the Spurs. If the Lakers really want him, they need Leonard by then. If someone else wants him, they'll have to beat a now improved Lakers offer. Thanks LeBron!
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Post#227 » by phraoh » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:43 am

I think somehow word got out that George has indicated to Lebron that he is staying in OKC, and word has gotten back to LA that Lebron isn't coming to LA unless at least one of Paul, George, and Leonard are going there (maybe 2). I also think if he has no assurances from one of the other players that they will be in LA, he will just opt in, and see what the Cavs do this summer.
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#228 » by TheNewEra » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:44 am

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Well that's the price for 2 young players. Why should the Lakers even offer 2 of them when the Celtics didn't even offer Jaylen Brown? **** that.


Spurs don’t have to accept Deng. They can be spiteful and take less from other teams.


That's ok. Lakers only have to worry about their own team. If the Spurs are willing to accept a worse offer from another team, more power to them. They're the ones that will have to explain it to their season ticket holders.


Pretty sure when they say they did this because “F the Lakers” the fans will applaud them. Feel like season ticket holders and hardcore fans would be more upset seeing their guy in a laker jersey.
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#229 » by getitdone323 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:44 am

starbosa10 wrote:Dont get why everyone is acting like spurs have no leverage. Kawhi doesnt have a no trade clause and SA can wait til the trade deadline


That would be incredibly dumb, like beyond stupid to wait until then. KL is a free agent next summer, so if they spurs wait until the deadline, they would get absolute garbage offers because everyone knows KL is leaving in 4 months. The best thing to do is find out what teams would KL extend with if traded and make those teams bid against each other.
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#230 » by JellosJigglin » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:46 am

SK21209 wrote:Seems like LeBron's opt in deadline has created some leverage for the Spurs. If the Lakers really want him, they need Leonard by then. If someone else wants him, they'll have to beat a now improved Lakers offer. Thanks LeBron!


In the press conference yesterday, Magic repeatedly used the phrase "sustained success". In other words, he's not interested in trading the farm for a 34 year old Lebron and an injured Kawhi. He wants to build a team that competes now and well into the future. He's going to do what's best for the Lakers.

Like he said, "there's no pressure on me. I'm Magic Johnson". :lol:
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#231 » by Arsenal » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:47 am

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starbosa10 wrote:Saric, Roco, zhaire and the miami pick sixers got from us is better than taking Deng back


If the Lakers are still pushing Deng out there Bayless should be used in the same. Shouldn’t oversell for a potential rental.


Absolutely. The Bayless contract is only 1/4 as toxic as the Deng contract, so including him should be no big deal.

Jerryd Bayless is owed $8.5M for this year then he expires.

Luol Deng is owed $18M for this year and $18.8M next year for a total of $36.8M in toxic money over 2 years.

It's absurd homerism for Laker fans to expect the Spurs to eat Deng's toxic deal while claiming the Sixers' reported offer of Saric, Covington, Smith, and a future 1st is not a good offer.
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#232 » by starbosa10 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:48 am

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starbosa10 wrote:Dont get why everyone is acting like spurs have no leverage. Kawhi doesnt have a no trade clause and SA can wait til the trade deadline


That would be incredibly dumb, like beyond stupid to wait until then. KL is a free agent next summer, so if they spurs wait until the deadline, they would get absolute garbage offers because everyone knows KL is leaving in 4 months. The best thing to do is find out what teams would KL extend with if traded and make those teams bid against each other.

Not saying they should, just saying they can. As others have said LA is under pressure to get a deal done so they can go for lebron and pg in FA
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#233 » by JellosJigglin » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:48 am

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Spurs don’t have to accept Deng. They can be spiteful and take less from other teams.


That's ok. Lakers only have to worry about their own team. If the Spurs are willing to accept a worse offer from another team, more power to them. They're the ones that will have to explain it to their season ticket holders.


Pretty sure when they say they did this because “F the Lakers” the fans will applaud them. Feel like season ticket holders and hardcore fans would be more upset seeing their guy in a laker jersey.


I think fans care more about what's best for their team. Just my opinion.
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#234 » by JellosJigglin » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:49 am

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starbosa10 wrote:Saric, Roco, zhaire and the miami pick sixers got from us is better than taking Deng back


If the Lakers are still pushing Deng out there Bayless should be used in the same. Shouldn’t oversell for a potential rental.


Absolutely. The Bayless contract is only 1/4 as toxic as the Deng contract, so including him should be no big deal.

Jerryd Bayless is owed $8.5M for this year then he expires.

Luol Deng is owed $18M for this year and $18.8M next year for a total of $36.8M in toxic money over 2 years.

It's absurd homerism for Laker fans to expect the Spurs to eat Deng's toxic deal while claiming the Sixers' reported offer of Saric, Covington, Smith, and a future 1st is not a good offer.


As a Laker fan I'm actually cool with any deal the 6ers make. I'll be happy to watch them give away talent for a rental. Also gives the Lakers time to evaluate Kawhi's health.
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#235 » by jstross » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:50 am

SK21209 wrote:Seems like LeBron's opt in deadline has created some leverage for the Spurs. If the Lakers really want him, they need Leonard by then. If someone else wants him, they'll have to beat a now improved Lakers offer. Thanks LeBron!


I have no inside info, but I don't see Lebron opting in. We will have more clarity after Firday.
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#236 » by Arsenal » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:50 am

phraoh wrote:I think somehow word got out that George has indicated to Lebron that he is staying in OKC, and word has gotten back to LA that Lebron isn't coming to LA unless at least one of Paul, George, and Leonard are going there (maybe 2). I also think if he has no assurances from one of the other players that they will be in LA, he will just opt in, and see what the Cavs do this summer.


I don't see why LeBron would opt-in. He would opt-out anyway then he can just re-sign with the Cavs on a 1+1 deal if he wants to stay. The only reason to opt-in is to facilitate a trade with a team like Houston which doesn't seem likely at this point.
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#237 » by TheNewEra » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:01 am

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dorkestra wrote:Philly sports radio is saying that the Sixers have made some atrocious overpay offer of Saric, Fultz, Zhaire Smith, and Miami 2021 unprotected. Hopefully that is not correct.


I can’t imagine that Philly would actually offer that without an extension promised.


Fultz has 0 value, Smith hasn't played a single game in the NBA, Saric is your average SF and the pick is 3 years from now. By that time Miami is likely to be a solid PO team. This package is crap. We are talking about Top 2 player.


Does the Lakers package really do anything? Lonzo’s shot still hasn’t proven to be consistent and brings outside drama and despite Ingram being a top pick he hasn’t really separated himself as a go to guy or franchise player.

No telling how Kyle Kuzma performs during year 2 when teams have him better scouted. Just saying it’s not like any of the Lakers prospects are showing great promise. Kuzma probably has the tools and attitude to pass the other two and those guys were number 2 picks.
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#238 » by Jagic Mohnson » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:01 am

Lebron wont stay in Cleveland unless they get Kawhi. I think Bron would rather play for the Lakers and possibly lose to GS in the 1st,2nd, or wcf round than lose to Kyrie playing in the East. Lebron will not be able to live it down knowing Kyrie beat him. Imagine if Dwight Howard beat Kobe in the playoffs in 2015 after Kobe got his way when Dwight told the Lakers to trade Kobe or he wont resign.
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#239 » by ISayshowmee » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:01 am

GobertReport wrote:For Ball, Kuz, Ingram, and Deng.


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Kawhi is not worth even close to that.
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Re: Spurs open to trading Kawhi to Lakers 

Post#240 » by disruptv3 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:02 am

I still think Boston and 76ers are likeliest teams to end up with Kawhi.

If the 76ers wanted to, they could trade pieces for Kawhi, essentially gut their team and sign LeBron and Paul George.

They would likely just keep Simmons and trade Embiid in the Kawhi deal

That would be Simmons, Kawhi, George, LBj

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