Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[Ruzious]

The Ringer on a possible DMC trade
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/6/27/17510888/demarcus-cousins-washington-wizards-free-agency

Does anyone really doubt that the Wiz acquired Rivers in order to set up a Beal for Cousins trade?

Oh, everyone doubts it. Eh, never mind.

[PerkinsFor3]

Sign len?

[pcbothwel]

Personally, I'd rather get some cheap big men than go for the big splash like DMC and trade one of the big 3. Noel, Looney, Nogueira. Guessing Jerami Grant is out of our pay range along with Montrezl Harrell.

Agreed. I think we have a real opportunity in the FA market now. We dont have money, but we are a top 4-6 team in the conference, and have a clear gap for playing time.
Amir Johnson, Harrell, Udoh, along with Noel and Dwight... someone effective and cheap will be available/interested.

[payitforward]

The Ringer on a possible DMC trade
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/6/27/17510888/demarcus-cousins-washington-wizards-free-agency

LAL lands Lebron and co... Dallas gets DJ... Boogie is SOL.
Leaves him with NOP, ATL, Philly, Suns, and Bulls... So its the Bulls or NOP.

If he tells NOP, Im out and going to Chicago, unless you want to SnT me to the Wiz.
Mahinmi, Smith, Oubre, 2019 1st... Otherwise, Im out.

The two things that make this work for Boogie to force his own choice:

1. NBA execs can't read -- they're illiterate. For that reason, no one else but that one EC executive knows that “there’s no question about his talent, but he’s a big-time mistake player and an obvious cancer.” Because, you see, if anyone else were to read that, it might dampen their enthusiasm. So, as I say, whew! thank heavens for illiteracy.

2. NBA execs pay no attention to injury history -- especially not recent injury -- & most of them have never even heard the phrase "ruptured ACL," which is a really good thing too, b/c ....

[Ruzious]

Sign len?

I would not - but it wouldn't surprise me. He did a great job on the boards this season, but he's a dinosaur for today's game, and he has bad hands.

[payitforward]

Personally, I'd rather get some cheap big men than go for the big splash like DMC and trade one of the big 3. Noel, Looney, Nogueira. Guessing Jerami Grant is out of our pay range along with Montrezl Harrell.

Agreed. I think we have a real opportunity in the FA market now. We dont have money, but we are a top 4-6 team in the conference, and have a clear gap for playing time.
Amir Johnson, Harrell, Udoh, along with Noel and Dwight... someone effective and cheap will be available/interested.

The playing time will be appealing for sure. But... with Brown, we are just under $126m for 11 guys.

IOW, we are still in tax territory to get to 15 or even 14 players. What's a figure you think we can afford to pay a FA Center?

[pcbothwel]

Personally, I'd rather get some cheap big men than go for the big splash like DMC and trade one of the big 3. Noel, Looney, Nogueira. Guessing Jerami Grant is out of our pay range along with Montrezl Harrell.

Agreed. I think we have a real opportunity in the FA market now. We dont have money, but we are a top 4-6 team in the conference, and have a clear gap for playing time.
Amir Johnson, Harrell, Udoh, along with Noel and Dwight... someone effective and cheap will be available/interested.

The playing time will be appealing for sure. But... with Brown, we are just under $126m for 11 guys.

IOW, we are still in tax territory to get to 15 or even 14 players. What's a figure you think we can afford to pay a FA Center?

Well, we are about 4.5M over with a 12 man squad. Assuming we want to stay under (which is very important to staying out of repeater tax for the next few years), then another trade needs to occur as simply trading Smith/Meeks for cap space might be just short... very close.

Outside of trading one of our 3 stars/max contracts, it appears Mahinmi + asset (Oubre or 1st) is the way to go
Mahinmi + Oubre for Asik/Felicio + Portis
Mahinmi + Oubre for Dudley + Bender
Mahinmi + Oubre for Koufos + WCS (Probably my favorite... great fit)

All of those give us the flexibility to add a Center and other Vets and still be under the tax. We also could make a deadline deal by trading any of Smith/Meeks and cash for cap space if need be

Assuming the Kings trade.

Wall / Lawson
Beal / Rivers / Brown
Otto / Sato / Brown
Morris / Scott / Robinson
WCS / Koufos

[dangermouse]

Agreed. I think we have a real opportunity in the FA market now. We dont have money, but we are a top 4-6 team in the conference, and have a clear gap for playing time.
Amir Johnson, Harrell, Udoh, along with Noel and Dwight... someone effective and cheap will be available/interested.

The playing time will be appealing for sure. But... with Brown, we are just under $126m for 11 guys.

IOW, we are still in tax territory to get to 15 or even 14 players. What's a figure you think we can afford to pay a FA Center?

Well, we are about 4.5M over with a 12 man squad. Assuming we want to stay under (which is very important to staying out of repeater tax for the next few years), then another trade needs to occur as simply trading Smith/Meeks for cap space might be just short... very close.

Outside of trading one of our 3 stars/max contracts, it appears Mahinmi + asset (Oubre or 1st) is the way to go
Mahinmi + Oubre for Asik/Felicio + Portis
Mahinmi + Oubre for Dudley + Bender
Mahinmi + Oubre for Koufos + WCS (Probably my favorite... great fit)

All of those give us the flexibility to add a Center and other Vets and still be under the tax. We also could make a deadline deal by trading any of Smith/Meeks and cash for cap space if need be

Assuming the Kings trade.

Wall / Lawson
Beal / Rivers / Brown
Otto / Sato / Brown
Morris / Scott / Robinson
WCS / Koufos

I'm not sure why, but I'm not much more excited for that team than last seasons iteration.

I think its the names Morris and Rivers.

Usually im an optimist this time of year but holy HELL

[dangermouse]

Although I will say, that idea is WAY better than the Demarcus rumour.

Porter or Beal for Demarcus would be THE WORST move of the offseason. And thats saying something.

Oubre, Rivers (we can include him yeah?), whatever other garbage filler, throw in our 1st (lotto protected)

Thats enough for an injured Cousins. F**k the cap situation. If Ted wants a good team he can pay. Although I guess if Ted wanted a good team he wouldnt have a certain someone managing it.

[WizardsWorld]

Drop 15 spots in the draft for an expiring player of Dedmons level? Please no. I understand moving the Mahinmi deal, but you can't sacrifice young controllable talent if you can help it.

I think taking a chance on Nerlens is a nice player here. Plenty of pieces to use for a desperate trade for a C if necessary.

Well considering I like Spellman better than Brown anyway(or Mitchell Robinson who we also could have had at 30) and obviously like Dedmon(and his contract) better than Mahinmi it was a win/win.

[Shanghai Kid]

I might be crazy but I actually think we're a 50 win team if we get a decent starting center.

Our roleplayers Morris/Oubre/Sato/Rivers all have big incentives to have good seasons.

I'm assuming Wall will be healthy and motivated.

[gambitx777]

Ian, kelley and smith for D howard before they buy him out would be wonderful inmo, I hate moving kelley but i think thats the plan.

[pcbothwel]

Ian, kelley and smith for D howard before they buy him out would be wonderful inmo, I hate moving kelley but i think thats the plan.

Hard pass. Center market is FLOODED this year. I'd rather shop Oubre with Ian and see what we could get in the way of expirings + asset. I.E. Al Jefferson + TJ Leaf

Sign Howard with Vet Min and hand him starting Job and playoff run... Worse case, we cut/trade him at deadline

[Error Afflalo]

I hate these Otto for Boogie deals the media is pumping.

[closg00]

Celtics are in on the Kawhi Leonard sweepstakes, are the Wizards? Ernie is always the guy watching the other dancers at the prom.

[80sballboy]

Celtics are in on the Kawhi Leonard sweepstakes, are the Wizards? Ernie is always the guy watching the other dancers at the prom.

The Cs have much more ammunition and I wouldn't want a guy coming off playing 10 games for just one season unless you think he's the difference between winning a title.

[payitforward]

Sign len?

I would not - but it wouldn't surprise me. He did a great job on the boards this season, but he's a dinosaur for today's game, and he has bad hands.

If a team as bad as Phoenix lets you walk, you might not be all that good, it's true. & Len's deficits are plenty & obvious.

But, at least he scored very efficiently this season & did better at a few other things as well. He turns it over at about an average rate for a Center.

Plus, our salary bind makes us beggars not choosers. With his local connection, if he comes cheap he's a good bet to be a Wizard.

I wonder whether the idea that someone like Len is a dinosaur is now so widely accepted that he'll be available on a veteran minimum contract? That would be really weird.

[gambitx777]

Ian, kelley and smith for D howard before they buy him out would be wonderful inmo, I hate moving kelley but i think thats the plan.

Hard pass. Center market is FLOODED this year. I'd rather shop Oubre with Ian and see what we could get in the way of expirings + asset. I.E. Al Jefferson + TJ Leaf

Sign Howard with Vet Min and hand him starting Job and playoff run... Worse case, we cut/trade him at deadline

Howard is expiring and the flooded center market doesn't matter when we have no money to spend. Howard might sign a MLE with us if he gets bought out, but we still have no money we are deep in the tax and we need to move ian, and brooklyn seems willing to take on deals for young players and picks.

[Dat2U]

The Ringer on a possible DMC trade
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/6/27/17510888/demarcus-cousins-washington-wizards-free-agency

Does anyone really doubt that the Wiz acquired Rivers in order to set up a Beal for Cousins trade?

Oh, everyone doubts it. Eh, never mind.

I would be shocked. The Wizards are darn near married to Beal. I honestly have a tough time seeing Ernie take a risk in dealing Otto as well --- with no sure bet Cousins will be ready and healthy next year.

It would be absoutely amazing if NO can deal for a healthy Cousins for scraps and then turnaround and deal a seriously injured Cousins for an all-star!

[Dat2U]

Ian, kelley and smith for D howard before they buy him out would be wonderful inmo, I hate moving kelley but i think thats the plan.

Hard pass. Center market is FLOODED this year. I'd rather shop Oubre with Ian and see what we could get in the way of expirings + asset. I.E. Al Jefferson + TJ Leaf

Sign Howard with Vet Min and hand him starting Job and playoff run... Worse case, we cut/trade him at deadline

Howard is expiring and the flooded center market doesn't matter when we have no money to spend. Howard might sign a MLE with us if he gets bought out, but we still have no money we are deep in the tax and we need to move ian, and brooklyn seems willing to take on deals for young players and picks.

Who in the world is giving Howard the MLE? I think he gets the minimum if anyone is interested.